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| Re: Easy solution - don't buy a Tivo said by RadioDoc  :Yup. Comcast never puts ads on/in anything. I hope thats a joke. My aunt has comcast and theirs ad's on her guide | |
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| Re: Easy solution - don't buy a Tivo said by RadioDoc :Sorry. I thought the sarcasm was obvious. Guess not. It was blatantly obvious. However, I find it more entertaining when people take sarcasm seriously.
I forsee a world in which, how much you pay monthly depends on how many ads you fast forward through. This is the bad thing about digital. It can think. It knows if my display is HDCP or not, it knows if I'm fast forwarding through commercials.
You used to be able to fast forward through the commercials at the beginning of a movie you paid $20 for, now some DVDs make it impossible to skip over. Sad stuff. 
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| said by RadioDoc :Yup. Comcast never puts ads on/in anything. Maybe. But there are no ads while fast-forwarding using the DVR.
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| Whoever has TIVO stock.... .....better start selling it. 
Even non-technical people are going to hate this and start turning off their TIVOs (except for the nutjobs who can't live without it. "It has changed my life!"  ) | |
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| Re: Whoever has TIVO stock.... said by moonpuppy :.....better start selling it. Even non-technical people are going to hate this and start turning off their TIVOs (except for the nutjobs who can't live without it. "It has changed my life!" ) Like the DirecTV commercial: "If you were a woman I'd marry you."
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| said by moonpuppy :except for the nutjobs who can't live without it. "It has changed my life!" ) Do you own a DVR or used one significantly for any period of time? I don't think I know a single person who has used one and wished they could go back to regular live television.
It hasn't "changed my life", but I won't subscribe to a service without some type of a DVR receiver and I would definitely say it has changed how I watch television. I don't typically watch any TV that hasn't been previously been recorded with the exception of football. It so wonderful watching a television show and not having to watch 5 minutes of commercials in between breaks.
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| Re: Whoever has TIVO stock.... said by cdru :Do you own a DVR or used one significantly for any period of time? I don't think I know a single person who has used one and wished they could go back to regular live television. It hasn't "changed my life", but I won't subscribe to a service without some type of a DVR receiver and I would definitely say it has changed how I watch television. I don't typically watch any TV that hasn't been previously been recorded with the exception of football. It so wonderful watching a television show and not having to watch 5 minutes of commercials in between breaks. Umm yeah. I used one many years ago. It was called a VCR.
I also own a Series 1 TIVO (modified and not paying for the service), rent a Comcast DVR and currently building a Media Center PC with dual analog and a single HDTV TV tuners.
All TIVO or any other smart DVR is, in reality, a smart VCR. Yes a smart DVR will record a series and may even change the times of your shows if you forget to reset your times but they are not always correct (such as when there is a Presidential Address.) I have even found errors in my Comcast DVR guide.
Now, you may ask why build a Media Center PC that costs way more than a TIVO. Simple. A TIVO won't get my email, edit shows I watch and charges a monthly fee. | |
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| Re: Whoever has TIVO stock.... said by moonpuppy :said by cdru :Do you own a DVR or used one significantly for any period of time? I don't think I know a single person who has used one and wished they could go back to regular live television. Umm yeah. I used one many years ago. It was called a VCR. I've yet to see a VCR that allowed you to skip ahead/back 30 seconds quickly, instantly jump to multiple show recordings, save things digitally (excluding specialized higher end equipment), etc. While their base functions may be similar, thats really about where the comparisons between a VCR and DVR end.
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| Re: Whoever has TIVO stock.... said by cdru :I've yet to see a VCR that allowed you to skip ahead/back 30 seconds quickly, instantly jump to multiple show recordings, save things digitally (excluding specialized higher end equipment), etc. While their base functions may be similar, thats really about where the comparisons between a VCR and DVR end. Selective quoting and taking things out of context.
And the 30 second skip will be gone if TIVO had anything to do with it. | |
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I wonder where this sense of entitlement comes from, and can only guess it's due to ad-free Tivo being the standard until now. It's like the re-adjustment period for a spoiled child whose parents are now backing up their expectations of the child.
The networks and their advertisers have every right to expect that the money paid for their ads (many thousands of dollars per ad, billions a year) aren't being completely wasted. I agree that many commercials are downright horrible, and I'd like to see the entertainment industry give me a decent reason to watch them, but that doesn't make them wrong.
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| Re: Ad-skipping is a nice feature, but said by 11337845 :... I wonder where this sense of entitlement comes from, and can only guess it's due to ad-free Tivo being the standard until now. It's like the re-adjustment period for a spoiled child whose parents are now backing up their expectations of the child.... sense of entitlement? how about outrage at TIVO changing the parameters of something you paid for? I see no problem if TIVO had been saying to every potential customer "You know we're going to change it in a year or two so you have to watch ads even when you fast forward". At least the customer is warned and makes an educated decision.
TCH is exactly right - drop TIVO like a hot potato or don't get TIVO in the first place. | |
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| Re: Ad-skipping is a nice feature, but Read your TOS. I'm willing to bet there's no entitlement to let you avoide commercials. I bet there's even a clause to change the agreement without your prior approval.
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| Re: Ad-skipping is a nice feature, but That is not the point. Customer perception is the point. A long-term privilege of skipping commercials, which is a major selling point for Tivo, becomes a perceived right. Take that away and more than half of the customers will become dissatisfied.
It appears that the finance people at Tivo have more power than the marketing people. Tivo has never turned a profit and is carrying huge long-term debt. This is a bad idea for generating revenue; don't piss off your customers.
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| Re: Ad-skipping is a nice feature, but said by ROCINANTE 2112 :That is not the point. Customer perception is the point. A long-term privilege of skipping commercials, which is a major selling point for Tivo, becomes a perceived right. Huh? 'sounds like you're inventing new law here: "if you're stupid enough not to read the TOS before you agree to it, but instead use optimistic wishful thinking to guess at what it might say instead, you're entitled to the Terms and Conditions that you made up in your own mind because ... you're somehow entitled to it(?)".
I'm gonna go buy a car tommorrow. I'm gonna think that contract says that if I stop making payments, I get to keep it anyway. We'll see how it goes. | |
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| Re: Ad-skipping is a nice feature, but said by PDXPLT :I'm gonna go buy a car tomorrow. I'm gonna think that contract says that if I stop making payments, I get to keep it anyway. We'll see how it goes. What is it with people and bad analogies?
First off, a car is a physical product, TIVO is a service.
Now, if you are stuck on the car analogy, it would be more like you buying a car and making payments when the finance company comes back and says you need to leave the radio on a certain frequency so you can listen to ads and you are not allowed to turn the volume down. Agree to that or stop driving. | |
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| OK, I have to simplify this for the short bus riders. I was discussing perception, not the legal terms in the TOS. Think in terms of the average customer who probably does not read the TOS. A customer owns a box for 5 years and has been skipping commercials during that time. Part of that functionality is now taken away. How would that customer feel?
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| said by NOCMan :Read your TOS. I'm willing to bet there's no entitlement to let you avoide commercials. I bet there's even a clause to change the agreement without your prior approval. I'm sure there is a clause to change the agreement without prior customer approval - all of these agreements are that way and the customer seems to have no rights whatsoever except the power of the pocketbook. And that's where the customer will exercise his power - by not buying the service.
Oh, by the way, I don't ever remember signing a TOS with the broadcast industry, so I'm not sure why they think I am required to watch their commercials.
Tell you what, I'll sign a TOS with the broadcast industry and pledge to watch their commercials when they give me a cut of what the PUBLIC airwaves they are using are worth. Isn't a conservative estimate of these frequencies in the several billion dollar range? | |
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| Re: Ad-skipping is a nice feature, but The problem with TOS is that these days it is basically impossible to function without signing one (or submitting to implicit consent to one). You can't get a telephone (of any flavor) or a bank account without signing a TOS that basically allows the provider to change the terms of service pretty much at will, sometimes with no direct notice to you. If you get on an airplane it is on their terms, and even if you pay cash for a new car it is still on their terms on the purchase agreement (neatly hidden in fine print)... It all comes down to who has the deepest pockets to hire lawyers to show that most of those TOS are conveniently ignored when it is convenient. | |
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| said by 11337845 :I wonder where this sense of entitlement comes from, and can only guess it's due to ad-free Tivo being the standard until now. It's like the re-adjustment period for a spoiled child whose parents are now backing up their expectations of the child. The networks and their advertisers have every right to expect that the money paid for their ads (many thousands of dollars per ad, billions a year) aren't being completely wasted. I agree that many commercials are downright horrible, and I'd like to see the entertainment industry give me a decent reason to watch them, but that doesn't make them wrong. Hold on there...
Tivo is a subscription service, people are paying X$ a month for a service, and when they start changing the service as to affecting the operation of the unit, every single person has the right to object. This is something MAJOR. Being able to skip commercials is well past 50% of the reason why people buy a Tivo. If they are taking equipment that you pay for and also pay a subscription for and then modifying it so that you can't, I would be in an uproar.
As for lost "add viewing" time for these networks, well, they need to get over it and realize that this is the nature of the beast, trends change and so does advertising. We don't see the cigarette companies still crying because they are limited on advertising, now do we? These companies need to find new ways to advertise, maybe on line?
Tivo is trying to save their sinking A**, plain and simple. Most people, including myself, realize that the neat Tivo features (easy to use interface) can be lived without for the money $. My Motorola PVR that I pay $5 rental fee a month for ( and that includes the hardware) does a fine job without ads. | |
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| Re: Ad-skipping is a nice feature, but Why should TV networks not expect you to watch their content on their terms? If they want to be an ad-based medium rather than a subscription service, that's their right. If you don't like it, don't watch it.
Nothing in the Tivo contract says you have any rights in this regard. They have the right to change their TOS at any time, and you to cancel at any time.
Besides, I just don't see the big f'ing deal. You have to see an ad banner while you are skipping commercials only. It's not a continuous banner along the bottom of the screen while you're watching your shows.
Tell me how this is really bad. I just don't get it.
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| Re: Ad-skipping is a nice feature, but said by 11337845 :Why should TV networks not expect you to watch their content on their terms? If they want to be an ad-based medium rather than a subscription service, that's their right. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Nothing in the Tivo contract says you have any rights in this regard. They have the right to change their TOS at any time, and you to cancel at any time. Besides, I just don't see the big f'ing deal. You have to see an ad banner while you are skipping commercials only. It's not a continuous banner along the bottom of the screen while you're watching your shows. Tell me how this is really bad. I just don't get it. Tivo is circumventing these tv networks you are concerned about and putting the profit in their pocket. That is the issue. If they are offsetting their costs and lowering your subscription cost, then OK, good business model, they are not.
What will happen next to ensure that "TV Netoworks are satisfied", will my TV turn itself on when they want me to watch a commercial. Nice family dinner without the TV on, nope, that will upset the networks... | |
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| said by 11337845 :Why should TV networks not expect you to watch their content on their terms? So if broadcasters could put a "must watch flag" on commercials so you could not change the channel, lower the volume, mute, or turn off your TV during them you would be ok with that?
Imagen trying to channel surf when everytime you landed on a commercial you were stuck there until the program started again.
That is what the future could hold. | |
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| Re: Ad-skipping is a nice feature, but said by b10010011 :said by 11337845 :Why should TV networks not expect you to watch their content on their terms? So if broadcasters could put a "must watch flag" on commercials so you could not change the channel, lower the volume, mute, or turn off your TV during them you would be ok with that? Imagen trying to channel surf when everytime you landed on a commercial you were stuck there until the program started again. That is what the future could hold. You can still pull the plug | |
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Seattle, WA | No, that would not be OK with me, and in that case I would not watch that programming. Vote with your remote.
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| Re: Ad-skipping is a nice feature, but said by 11337845 :No, that would not be OK with me, and in that case I would not watch that programming. Vote with your remote. Yeah, but if one network does it, then more will do it so you will have no choice.
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Seattle, WA | Re: Ad-skipping is a nice feature, but Then don't watch any of them. Is that really a tough concept?
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| Re: Ad-skipping is a nice feature, but said by 11337845 :Then don't watch any of them. Is that really a tough concept? I highly doubt you would be one to give up TV.
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Seattle, WA | Re: Ad-skipping is a nice feature, but Except for the news and sports, I hardly watch it. I don't have any shows that I watch now, and I don't even know if I'll bother with Lost when it comes back.
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| The person who said that this is a matter of the customer's perception is right. If you don't please your customers, you don't need to stay in business.
Myself, I have been a Tivo customer since series 1 was released. Now it should concern Tivo that if I start seeing ads on my TV that I can perceive that I don't need to pay for the service any longer.
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| said by 11337845 :I don't think that's why people do (or should) pay the monthly fee. Tivo, even with ads, is a handy device that makes watching TV on one's own schedule about as easy as it can get. WRONG! It is one of the two major reasons people buy a TIVO in the first place, and is the primary one in my case.
said by 11337845 :I wonder where this sense of entitlement comes from, and can only guess it's due to ad-free Tivo being the standard until now. It's like the re-adjustment period for a spoiled child whose parents are now backing up their expectations of the child. This "sense of entitlement" comes from the representation by TIVO that commercials could be skipped as part of TIVO's marketing justification for subscribers purchasing TIVO and signing up in the first place. The locked-in lifetime subscriber reaction to the bait and switch theft of their right to avoid commercials by using a TIVO is amply justified. New non-lifetime subscribers can always cancel, and dump the equipment in the nearest landfill, where it belongs, if this invasion of privacy by forced viewing of commercials is going to continue.
said by 11337845 :The networks and their advertisers have every right to expect that the money paid for their ads (many thousands of dollars per ad, billions a year) aren't being completely wasted. I agree that many commercials are downright horrible, and I'd like to see the entertainment industry give me a decent reason to watch them, but that doesn't make them wrong. Commercials are a necessary evil for over the air, free TV. They are not inherently wrong in that circumstance, but even in that arena, the commercials that RAISE THE VOLUME OF YOUR TV WHILE THEY ARE BEING AIRED certainly do strain ones nerves. Quality and subject matter of commercials is a pointless topic.
Not so with paid for subscription TV, like Cable and Satellite, and especially not so for subscription services, like TIVO, which, in addition to access to more content, rely on subscribers desire to remove or skip commercials as a major foundation for their existence. So consumer reaction to TIVOs decision to remove one of the two reasons to subscribe service is both predicable, and justified. I hope they change their minds. If I start seeing this crap on my DirecTIVO, I will definitely reconsider my subscription. | |
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| Re: Ad-skipping is a nice feature, but said by ross :Commercials are a necessary evil for over the air, free TV. They are not inherently wrong in that circumstance, but even in that arena, the commercials that RAISE THE VOLUME OF YOUR TV WHILE THEY ARE BEING AIRED certainly do strain ones nerves. I agree with what you said except the above statement.
Commercials do NOT raise the volume (yet.) What they do is hit the upper level of the sound spectrum more often. If sound goes above those upper levels, it sounds distorted. So while the commercials may sound louder, they are sound mixed to sound louder. | |
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| Re: Ad-skipping is a nice feature, but said by moonpuppy :said by ross :Commercials are a necessary evil for over the air, free TV. They are not inherently wrong in that circumstance, but even in that arena, the commercials that RAISE THE VOLUME OF YOUR TV WHILE THEY ARE BEING AIRED certainly do strain ones nerves. I agree with what you said except the above statement. Commercials do NOT raise the volume (yet.) What they do is hit the upper level of the sound spectrum more often. If sound goes above those upper levels, it sounds distorted. So while the commercials may sound louder, they are sound mixed to sound louder. I can't argue your science, but I can tell you what effect results; LOUD SOUND FROM COMMERCIALS, much LOUDER than the normal sound level of the programing it interrupts. | |
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| Re: Ad-skipping is a nice feature, but said by ross :I can't argue your science, but I can tell you what effect results; LOUD SOUND FROM COMMERCIALS, much LOUDER than the normal sound level of the programing it interrupts. No argument on that issue at all. I totally agree that while they may not be raising the volume, the engineering of the sound to make it seem louder is intrusive to say the least.
At least they aren't like Comcast which constantly over-deviates and distorts their sound on their commercials.  | |
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| said by 11337845 :I don't think that's why people do (or should) pay the monthly fee. Tivo, even with ads, is a handy device that makes watching TV on one's own schedule about as easy as it can get. I wonder where this sense of entitlement comes from, and can only guess it's due to ad-free Tivo being the standard until now. It's like the re-adjustment period for a spoiled child whose parents are now backing up their expectations of the child. You must be new. TiVO - and other DVRs, for that matter - are just modern updates to the VCR. With a VCR, so long as you had a remote control, you could fairly easily FF through commercials. Heck, some of the later models would record over-the air programming and nuke the commercials before you ever played them back. By forcibly injecting commercials, TiVO is making their DVR less capable than the antiquated VCR. It's not a "sense of entitlement", unless you consider it unreasonable to expect modern technology to provide at least as much functionality as the technology it's supplanting.
said by 11337845 :The networks and their advertisers have every right to expect that the money paid for their ads (many thousands of dollars per ad, billions a year) aren't being completely wasted. Anyone can expect anything they want to. Whether it's reasonable to expect that, just because they spent money, that anyone will chose to view their "content".. Well, that's a whole other matter.
said by 11337845 :I agree that many commercials are downright horrible, and I'd like to see the entertainment industry give me a decent reason to watch them, but that doesn't make them wrong. And them spending money doesn't make them right, either. Perhaps if, instead of making "downright horrible" commercials they made interesting or compelling ones, people wouldn't skip them?
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| said by 11337845 :The networks and their advertisers have every right to expect that the money paid for their ads (many thousands of dollars per ad, billions a year) aren't being completely wasted. I agree that many commercials are downright horrible, and I'd like to see the entertainment industry give me a decent reason to watch them, but that doesn't make them wrong. Product placement is the way to go. if you annoy me with your forced ad, guess what i'm NOT going to buy?
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$10/month for a dual tuner hd dvr from the local cable company. Much better deal. | |
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| ok tivo wtf... I'm sorry but if you PAY for a service simply for the fact you don't want commercials why are you getting them over the top? The money you DISH OUT to the corperate pigs and money grabbing fools COVERS THIS COST am I the only one seeing this?
It would be like telemarketers from the government calling you after you are on the no call list to try a new run of events and stuff. This just makes no sense and they are putting the bottom dollar not their customers first.
I'm sorry but 2 things come to mind.
#1. WTF TIVO
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#2. Get a mythtv setup soon as possible
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I think the only way they'll continue selling boxes now that they are forcing ads is if they eliminate the monthly fee.
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Loveland, OH | I love my TiVO but .... I could easily do without it. Especially if they are trying to ram more ads down my throat. I skip the commercials people because I don't want to see them! | |
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Kendall, FL | If I could convert.. If I could convert my tivo box into a regular DVR (running MythTV or Windows) that would rock. The size of the Tivo box fits perfectly in my home. | |
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Silver Spring, MD | Re: If I could convert.. There are companies out there selling MythTV boxes. They're a little bigger than TiVos though. A Google search for "mythtv" turned up a couple in the sponsored links. | |
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