NY State Wants Universal Broadband CoverageFirst order of business: actually figuring out who has broadband... ( old news - 10:08AM Thursday Jan 18 2007) tags: coverage · bandwidthDuring his campaign to become the new Governor of New York, Eliot Spitzer promised to help revitalize the upstate economy, in part by focusing on broadband coverage. His first order of business is to effectively study what parts of the state don't have access. Of course, when you use dubious FCC data things look pretty good, but an examination of actual service deployment will show a different picture, since, as we've noted, FCC data simply isn't reliable. Once the state has figured out where the gaps are, Spitzer claims he'll try to offer "near universal coverage" to the state by the end of 2010 by proffering providers discounted access to state resources (towers, rights of way, poles).
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Port Orange, FL | Sounds OK Incentives-not funding | |
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DaBavarian
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Saginaw, MI
| Broadband Provided to you by Uncle Sam.... Hmmm, I think I'll pass. Can't really see something that is provided by the gov actually being useful or worth it. (thinking about Amtrack business model=bottemless money pit) I'm sure there will be plenty of new taxes to collect for it though and speeds as fast as 128k. =) | |
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Norwich, NY
| Re: Broadband Provided to you by Uncle Sam.... said by DaBavarian  :Hmmm, I think I'll pass. Can't really see something that is provided by the gov actually being useful or worth it. (thinking about Amtrack business model=bottemless money pit) I'm sure there will be plenty of new taxes to collect for it though and speeds as fast as 128k. =) How do you get Government run out of this proposal?
by proffering providers discounted access to state resources (towers, rights of way, poles). | |
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Spitzer08
@rcn.com
| Spitzer needs to do more with broadband access all over the state.
For Rural the best solution is probably something along the lines of WiMax. The state needs to map the areas where broadband is lax which is essentially all they seemed to have announced from what I can tell. Private carriers can fill the gap such as »www.m2znetworks.com/ can help fill the gap if they can get FCC approval. Also solutions like BPL for rural can be a nice filler as well.
As for the INNER City part of New York City and for maybe some acceleration of fiber optics, what needs to happen is that RCN needs to get cranking and built out more 2 way plant fiber optics to new markets and territories in addition to Verizon FIOS. | |
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Cuchulainn
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Chevy Chase, MD | Broadband = Prosperity??? As I've said before. How does broadband promote economic development? | |
| | expert007
join:2006-01-10
Buffalo, NY
| Re: Broadband = Prosperity??? The upstate NY area needs economic development and MAJOR policy/tax overhauls that lead to corporate investment in the area.
Broadband doesn't fit into the picture. This is bullshit, its got to be someone's pet project.
"I don't give a rat's ass that they have broadband in Upstate NY, their taxes are the highest in the nation", (quoted by -insert your fav CEO's name here-) | |
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cableties
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| Re: Broadband = Prosperity??? Upstate NY also includes 6 Million acres of Adirondack park. It doesn't need broadband (folks are content enough with camping).
Besides, there is a big spin of anti-wind power (pun). The farmers (nice people, but not ideal for internet surfers...they have to farm and the net ain't helpin, doncha know). They need more ways to keep costs down up there.
Instead, the bleedover from VT is crossing the Champlain and I think they will want another bridge.
I agree. Someone is wanting to make money off the state.
(I love going upstate and saying, You can't reach me. There is little or no cell access. And net access is dialup). So peaceful. Look a woodpecker. And a heron. And trout. And a black bear..) | |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Technically I guess the broadband access improvements are a small part of the plan, which includes tax cuts and other projects....
As a native of Binghamton, I'll note it's desperately needed. | |
| | Gfox25
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Richmond Hill, NY | By providing knowledge and communications to the people. That allows them to expand world wide, better invest in markets, etc. etc. | |
| | | expert007
join:2006-01-10
Buffalo, NY
| Re: Broadband = Prosperity??? Of course, knowledge and communications are always good, but NY's problems are due in large part to a systemic lack of external investment into the state.
And IF the broadband initiative is 100% private, thats alright. Too often however, state and local govt's use taxpayer dollars to compete with private ISP's in the broadband space!
One things for sure, broadband WILL allow speed the process for businesses looking to grow their operations externally of NYS. | |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
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| Re: Broadband = Prosperity??? said by expert007 :Of course, knowledge and communications are always good, but NY's problems are due in large part to a systemic lack of external investment into the state. And IF the broadband initiative is 100% private, thats alright. Too often however, state and local govt's use taxpayer dollars to compete with private ISP's in the broadband space! One things for sure, broadband WILL allow speed the process for businesses looking to grow their operations externally of NYS. Ohh, pleahhhhse... this is the classic BS mantra cable and telco use when they try to block great muni projects.
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Buffalo, NY
| Re: Broadband = Prosperity??? Well, I'm neither cable or telco, and it pisses me off that my tax dollars go towards installing muni wi-fi projects so that J. Schmoe can view the lastest Youtube vids on his notebook while he eats outside. Or, so that some boat owner can dock his 32' Maxum and check his email. You call THAT economic development? I think its pretty naive to think that muni wifi actually increases productivity and serves the taxpayers well. Prove me wrong. | |
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2 edits | Re: Broadband = Prosperity??? ok
»www.dti.gov.uk/files/file13262.pdf
When done right, it can.
Voters have to be smart enough to vote down dumb projects though, which is clearly a tall task. Generally not helped by disinformation PR campaigns by free-marketeers and incumbent pr folk. But suggesting what other towns can or can't do or vote on to me is ceaselessly annoying.... | |
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| said by expert007 :Of course, knowledge and communications are always good, but NY's problems are due in large part to a systemic lack of external investment into the state. And a crushing tax burden. Development moved out of NY because of some of the highest taxes in the country. And putting in broadband subsidized by taxpayers isn't going to bring business back. Those businesses moved south long ago and aren't returning.
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
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| said by Cuchulainn :As I've said before. How does broadband promote economic development? As others proved before: better broadband DOES* provide economic development.
* assuming other things ie educated workforce, Western World-level security and laws etc in place - in other words if Baghdad would get 1Gb sync connection in every room of every building it still wouldn't make any difference over there...
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CPM
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Miami, FL
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operagost
join:1999-08-02
Spring City, PA
| Obsolete equipment, clueless little telcos Most people in Oswego county are on 1960s technology equipment that can't even support a 56K connection. Anyone who's not on or very near a state highway usually doesn't even have cable TV. Good luck getting broadband to those folks. Fortunately, my Dad will be leaving the state soon. | |
| tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| how can you spell state-wide-franchse? Verizon can take care of 90% of the issue with NY state-wide franchise reform... don't forget, without some serious cash, it's not going to happen overnight.. at least 75% can get broadband from a cable or telco provider already.. it's the last 25% (urban and rural) schmos left to wire, where some financial incentives could be worked out.. | |
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JTRockville
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Rockville, MD
clubs: | Re: how can you spell state-wide-franchse? Incentives? Sounds a lot like tax-payer sponsored private profit. btw - where did you get your data? | |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
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1 edit | Why gets the FCC a free pass on providing FAKE DATA??? This is what clearly makes me fuckin' annoyed: WHY THIS TOTALLY CORRUPT PoS MARTIN GETS FREE PASS WHEN HE'S CLEARLY IN VIOLATION OF THE LAW WHEN HE'S DECEIVING THE CONGRESS, EVERYBODY???
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| DufiefData
join:2006-06-13
Gaithersburg, MD | Lower taxes first. If you want to economically revive NY State, start with lowering taxes so businesses will want to be in NY in the first place. The broadband will follow. | |
| | expert007
join:2006-01-10
Buffalo, NY | Re: Lower taxes first. Zactly. | |
| | rradina
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Chesterfield, MO | Lowering taxes transfers power from government back to the people. Need I say more? | |
| | | raderator
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Conklin, NY | Re: Lower taxes first. AND utilities. Electricity is 12c/kwh...WHY? Whatever happened to all that cheap hydro from Quebec? | |
| patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| good idea The best idea, IMO, is, once someone claims they have no broadband and dont qualify for anything, create a zone for the area, and reverse auction the area/have existing broadband providers in NY state (not just the area) bid for that area, whoever needs least subsidies to build, gets the contract. One of the requirements for this program is that a carrier must offer the same speeds/quality of service as they do elsewhere in NY state, and service must be provided under same terms, also a provider must claim its a landline or landline equivelent service broadband INTERNET service, no VZ Wireless EVDO TOS and caps and "abuse terminations". Also there should be a franchise/pole access/land/location acceleration, so basically a local town cant say no to a non-local provider moving in, since there are plenty of towns that feel quite cozy with the franchise fees they get from Cable Co's. Also to prevent "competing with private enterprise" and "must protect exclusitivity" and "fair playing ground" lawsuits, give 6 months-1 year for the incumbant zoned for the area to build out, no extensions(stalling tactic), if they dont build it out, game over, they lost their exclusitivity to the unserved area. For wireless delivery methods, you need to have a "landline equivelent/circuit equivelent" clause to prevent companies with no spectrum and no desire to split cells from terminating users left and right; also for wireless if a town rejects the site planned for the wireless service, it must present a alternative site that would service the unserved people. Towns can demand camoflauging. Also wireless services can mount picocells on utility poles, and run their own fiber optic lines (prevent local telco from charging 100K a month in loop charges) back to a telco central office or other telecom center. Once a wired broadband provider ensures 100% build out in the uncovered zone, they can expand their plant to the rest of the county but only from their "no coverage zone" outwards (to prevent them from doing middle of no where NYC (its a example) under contract, then jumping to midtown manhatten, instead the provider would need to build the plant out going towards manhatten).
The contracts should only subsidize construction of plant, not maintenece, its a 1 time thing, otherwise there will be a USF nightmare. AT MOST 1 year of subsidizing operations to collect customers.
Pretty much my plan is to threaten existing incumbants to build out or the area goes out on for bidding, then
-have other cable companies try to build a small network in the area, either a another incumbant or a overbuilder like RCN (RCN type more likly)
-have another telco with plant come by and wire it up (and possibly claim USF also on the phone plant hehehehe)
-fiber providers come by and install FTTP (sparse housing, why not?), should be easy, you only need to build/splice a drop in when someone orders service, or rarly put a drop box and just run a fiber drop along the road for 1K-3K feet to the house
-wireless providers such as cellphone companies (must be regulated to provide circuit like service) or wimax or WISPs
Also the important part is, someone must make a complaint they have no broadband at their home. You dont need to wire state parks, and middle of nowhere and cow fields and commercial/industrial buildings (they should pay for private line fiber). Also the zone to build out should include all houses from the last point of broadband availability to slightly after the complaint's house or to where there is a barrier (end of a row of houses) and no more houses for a long distence. | |
| matt5
join:2001-10-06
Lagrangeville, NY
| The real problem The problem with upstate NY is the taxes are outrageous. The auto shop I work at pays 24 grand in land taxes, and it is not on much land either! Not to mention money is wasted so badly. Over there summer road work was being done right in front of the shop. Pipe went in, came back out, in again, out, dug deeper, in, out, in, fill went in, blacktopped over, dug out again, put in 1 last time and then done. Royal waste, and now 100grand is being spent to build up the bank of a very small stream (drys up in the summer) near by. For 1 grand the silt could be taken out and the flooding problem fixed.
Lower the taxes and stop wasting money, net access wont help as much as making a place affordable. | |
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inNYC
@nycirc.com
| Albany will find a way to leech this out of NYC taxes Albany uses NYC to fund most of the state. NYC residents lose services and resources because of outlying areas with low residential/population density. Giving companies tax breaks in low/unpopulated areas just means the money being lost will get sucked out of downstate taxes, like it always is.
If people want to live in low-population areas, they should deal with the consequences of limited state supported services due to limited tax monies generated in those areas.
Granted, it'd be nice to drive from Manhattan to Canada and have uninterrupted wi-fi the entire trip, but the state runs our subway lines, and they can't even get wi-fi or cellular service running in the subways in the city where they collect the most taxes.
This plan will somehow screw NYC the way the majority of of New York State's initiatives always have. I like Spitzers record, but I don't see this historical trend changing.
And don't tell me it'll be 100% privatized when the State still has to cover expenses for managing the entire issue.
*bleh* | |
| | expert007
join:2006-01-10
Buffalo, NY
| Re: Albany will find a way to leech this out of NYC taxes Dealing with the consequences for upstate NYers means paying an excessive burden into the states Medicaid coffers, of which downstate sees the lions share.
But I will stay that until those taxes go down for the entire state, the businesses will expand elsewhere, the cycle continues....the cycle continues...the cycle... | |
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