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"America Si, Obama No."
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Bronx, NY | Been waiting for this Now let's get ont with it! | |
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aztecnology
The Autumn wind is a Raider
join:2003-02-12
Murrieta, CA | Re: Been waiting for this Finally! I happen to live in the land of FiOS, Murrieta, CA, but I happen to own a condo, and as such I've been overlooked for the last 3 years... | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Re: Been waiting for this said by aztecnology  :Finally! I happen to live in the land of FiOS, Murrieta, CA, but I happen to own a condo, and as such I've been overlooked for the last 3 years... Even if it was available to you and you have a HOA then depending on how gestapo your HOA is, you STILL couldn't get it.
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Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK
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| Re: Been waiting for this maybe not. I know the FCC overrules HOAs on the placement of sat dishes....I would think the same protections of communications would exist for this as well. Hell this would be even less visible as opposed to a sat dish. But I have heard horror stories about CA HOAs....apparently the most gestapo in the country. | |
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All The Little Stuff
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join:2005-08-25
Doylestown, PA | Ding ding ding. That is the problem where I live. Our HOA doesn't care for FiOS. Mind you I am in a condo not an apartment.  | |
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aztecnology
The Autumn wind is a Raider
join:2003-02-12
Murrieta, CA
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| said by dvd536 :said by aztecnology :Finally! I happen to live in the land of FiOS, Murrieta, CA, but I happen to own a condo, and as such I've been overlooked for the last 3 years... Even if it was available to you and you have a HOA then depending on how gestapo your HOA is, you STILL couldn't get it. I don't think it would be that much of an issue. We only have 4 units to a building, and there is a panel there on the outside unit where the telco and cableco both come into their respective NI's, cat5 for the telco and coax for the cableco.If they can fit the new ONT's equipment in there using existing cabling it would work perfectly without any hassle, and I would sign-up immediately...
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truocchio
join:2004-07-05
Miami Beach, FL
| The devil is in the details... My company installs internet access systems in MDU/apartments. When having to retro fit a MDU with a wired system there are often times many barriers to completing the job and in some cases, serious showstoppers. Running a new fiber to every unit is going to be a lot of work along with cutting, drilling, and inconvenience. Not that is not worth it, just that many will be unhappy with the process. Especially in older buildings where there are not "homerun" conduits and wires free run through various paths through each wall. This is the case in many buildings NY, NJ and other major Verizon areas. Because every building is unique, with its own condo board or management company, I can see this taking an extraordinary amount of time to complete.
However they better get a move on, many indie ISP are already contracting with developers to pre wire the building with fiber/cat5&6 and signing multi year bulk rate contracts for triple play services. Verizon, cable cos, etc are being shut out and are not even wiring many of these properties.
If you are in a condo/apt it will still be sometime before mass FIOS rollouts occur, unless your board is tech savvy and doesnt mind the inconveniences of the retro fit. | |
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join:2000-12-13
Cypress, CA | Re: The devil is in the details... I have fios in my apt. I was one of the first to get it. Good luck guys.
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kyler13
Is your fiber grounded?
join:2006-12-12
Arnold, MD | I don't see the big deal here. The new 612 ONT's can use the MoCA WAN channel to send data over coax. I'm sure a large portion of apartment buildings are pre-wired with coax. | |
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join:2001-02-03
Great Neck, NY
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January 24th, @11:50AM
| Re: The devil is in the details... said by kyler13 :I don't see the big deal here. The new 612 ONT's can use the MoCA WAN channel to send data over coax. I'm sure a large portion of apartment buildings are pre-wired with coax. My condo building built in the late 80s is all crap RG-59. Even the cable company came and was going to run new RG-11 to the units, but it's still spooled up hanging from the ceiling of the garage level. As you can see the condo board really has teeth and follows through. I am hoping to change that by getting on the Condo board and getting FIOS in my building. So far I have gotten wiring plans sent to the managing agent from VZ, will he present it to the Condo board is beyond me, but I'll get it done one way or another. I need my fiber  | |
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join:2004-07-05
Miami Beach, FL | But many times the condo doesn't own that coaxial to the unit the cable company does, and for 10-20 years. It depends on the developers deal with the cable co. so that solution is not always going to work either. | |
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join:2005-04-06
Carrollton, TX
| said by kyler13 :I don't see the big deal here. The new 612 ONT's can use the MoCA WAN channel to send data over coax. I'm sure a large portion of apartment buildings are pre-wired with coax. The problem with this approach is that there is only a single WAN channel defined on MoCA, which means that each unit would need an independent coax connection to the ONT. This may or may not be an issue if FiOS TV is also being installed, but could be a big problem if a different TV service is required to co-exist on the same coax.
A better solution is to use the ONT625 (»www.tellabs.com/products/1000/tl···_625.pdf) which provides eight VDSL ports instead of Ethernet. These can be run over standard phone wiring with a VDSL modem at the other end. | |
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join:2006-03-26
Hillsboro, OR | Re: The devil is in the details... They would simply install moca nid as long as it is broadcast television, and not satellite they can both go down the same sheath | |
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Carrollton, TX
| Re: The devil is in the details... said by napilus :They would simply install moca nid as long as it is broadcast television, and not satellite they can both go down the same sheath But the problem is that each unit connected via MoCA would need to be isolated from each other unit connected via MoCA. If the TV is distributed through an ad-hoc arrangement of amplifiers and splitters this may be very hard to achieve.
The advantage of VDSL is that it works over a phone line and by definition these will be individually routed. Incidentally, it looks like the Actiontec router has an option to include a VDSL module for the WAN port meaning that a separate modem wouldn't even be needed. | |
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join:2004-04-16
Arlington, VA
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| Finally..... Nice...I live in a condo. I have the bottom floor and a basement, but there is someone above me. Rumor has it they were planning on deploying there since the rest of Arlington VA has it. I can't wait.
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| No FIOS in Forest Hills, New York or Manhattan, New York !! This is all a PR Ploy. FIOS has not been seen in MDUs in Forest Hills, NY or Manhattan, New York and they have yet to WIRE UP THE INNER CITY.
So all Verizon talk is all BS because by the end of this year there will be NO FIOS still in these areas. | |
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join:2006-12-28
Union City, NJ
| Re: No FIOS in Forest Hills, New York or Manhattan, New York !! said by FHFIOS :
This is all a PR Ploy. FIOS has not been seen in MDUs in Forest Hills, NY or Manhattan, New York and they have yet to WIRE UP THE INNER CITY.
So all Verizon talk is all BS because by the end of this year there will be NO FIOS still in these areas.
Exactly. Verizon is full of $hit. They're still redlining. Those areas will not see FIOS for a good 10 years. By then Time Warner (the provider who currently serves those areas) would have caught up. Cablevision did. Who needs FIOS when you got Boost.
These people act like Verizon is now the holy grail but 6-7 years ago, they were the anti-christ. Astounding. But sorry, Verizon is still the same company. A leopard never changes his spots. FIOS is not all that and neither is their TV service. I've seen it in action at a friends on Staten Island. It aint no big deal. Cablevision's Boost does the same $hit and pretty soon capping will come to FIOS as well and people will be bitching at Verizon again. Enjoy the party while it lasts. | |
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Tzale
Ron Paul 2008 - Proud Conservative
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join:2004-01-06
NJ, USA
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| Re: No FIOS in Forest Hills, New York or Manhattan, New York !! said by njcellfreak :said by FHFIOS :
This is all a PR Ploy. FIOS has not been seen in MDUs in Forest Hills, NY or Manhattan, New York and they have yet to WIRE UP THE INNER CITY.
So all Verizon talk is all BS because by the end of this year there will be NO FIOS still in these areas.
Exactly. Verizon is full of $hit. They're still redlining. Those areas will not see FIOS for a good 10 years. By then Time Warner (the provider who currently serves those areas) would have caught up. Cablevision did. Who needs FIOS when you got Boost. These people act like Verizon is now the holy grail but 6-7 years ago, they were the anti-christ. Astounding. But sorry, Verizon is still the same company. A leopard never changes his spots. FIOS is not all that and neither is their TV service. I've seen it in action at a friends on Staten Island. It aint no big deal. Cablevision's Boost does the same $hit and pretty soon capping will come to FIOS as well and people will be bitching at Verizon again. Enjoy the party while it lasts. Why should they provide FIOS service to inner-city Jersey City? I think it makes a lot more sense to go to the more affluent, middle class neighborhoods in NJ, not the inner city neighborhoods.
Don't forget, Verizon is a BUSINESS. They are under no obligation to provide service RIGHT now to YOU... They need to roll out slowly because they need to replace millions of miles of copper with fiber and it is NOT cheap. They only have enough money to do a couple areas at a time, and they NEED to see some sort a return on those areas to fund the rest.
Don't forget that..... VERIZON IS A BUSINESS. They NEED to show a PROFIT TO THEIR STOCKHOLDERS.
Lets not forget that BOOST would not be around, nor would the 15/2 free upgrade from 10/1 if it wasn't for Verizon pressuring CV into upgrading to keep customers.
The opportunities with a full fiber network are much greater than a hybrid fiber-coax network. End of story.
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Smyrna, DE
| Re: No FIOS in Forest Hills, New York or Manhattan, New York !! said by Tzale :Why should they provide FIOS service to inner-city Jersey City? I think it makes a lot more sense to go to the more affluent, middle class neighborhoods in NJ, not the inner city neighborhoods. Because people actually watch TV in the ghetto. TV brings in a lot more money then internet alone. Most people in the ghetto don't have computers but have TV's and are willing to go to whoever is cheaper for TV. | |
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Tzale
Ron Paul 2008 - Proud Conservative
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join:2004-01-06
NJ, USA
·Verizon FIOS
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| Re: No FIOS in Forest Hills, New York or Manhattan, New York !! said by op :said by Tzale :Why should they provide FIOS service to inner-city Jersey City? I think it makes a lot more sense to go to the more affluent, middle class neighborhoods in NJ, not the inner city neighborhoods. Because people actually watch TV in the ghetto. TV brings in a lot more money then internet alone. Most people in the ghetto don't have computers but have TV's and are willing to go to whoever is cheaper for TV. Ding!
They want TV? But are they going to purchase the most expensive package? The most expensive features for telephone service? The most expensive internet package? Nope, you answered it for yourself.
The truth is that EVENTUALLY they will offer service to cities, but for now the most money can be made in suburban, middle class neighborhoods. It's pure business. It would be stupid in the long run not to service cities, but for now they are rolling it out where they can make a lot of money back immediately.
And Jersey City isn't a "ghetto" in most parts. It is just lower income people.
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join:2005-01-18
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| said by njcellfreak :said by FHFIOS :
This is all a PR Ploy. FIOS has not been seen in MDUs in Forest Hills, NY or Manhattan, New York and they have yet to WIRE UP THE INNER CITY.
So all Verizon talk is all BS because by the end of this year there will be NO FIOS still in these areas.
Exactly. Verizon is full of $hit. They're still redlining. Those areas will not see FIOS for a good 10 years. By then Time Warner (the provider who currently serves those areas) would have caught up. Cablevision did. Who needs FIOS when you got Boost. These people act like Verizon is now the holy grail but 6-7 years ago, they were the anti-christ. Astounding. But sorry, Verizon is still the same company. A leopard never changes his spots. FIOS is not all that and neither is their TV service. I've seen it in action at a friends on Staten Island. It aint no big deal. Cablevision's Boost does the same $hit and pretty soon capping will come to FIOS as well and people will be bitching at Verizon again. Enjoy the party while it lasts. Wow, you know alot about this. Perhaps you can enlighten us on your source for this? Especially since its all incorrect. Please, share..... | |
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join:2003-06-05
New York, NY | Really? Last time I checked I have FIOS, I live in a apartment building, -AND- I live in New York. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: No FIOS in Forest Hills, New York or Manhattan, New York !! said by SiegeTECH :Really? Last time I checked I have FIOS, I live in a apartment building, -AND- I live in New York. Where? | |
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join:2005-01-18
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| said by FHFIOS :
This is all a PR Ploy. FIOS has not been seen in MDUs in Forest Hills, NY or Manhattan, New York and they have yet to WIRE UP THE INNER CITY.
So all Verizon talk is all BS because by the end of this year there will be NO FIOS still in these areas.
LOL, the uneducated speak again! Check your facts.....Manhattan is well underway. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: No FIOS in Forest Hills, New York or Manhattan, New York !! said by CopperMux :said by FHFIOS :
This is all a PR Ploy. FIOS has not been seen in MDUs in Forest Hills, NY or Manhattan, New York and they have yet to WIRE UP THE INNER CITY.
So all Verizon talk is all BS because by the end of this year there will be NO FIOS still in these areas.
LOL, the uneducated speak again! Check your facts.....Manhattan is well underway. Where? | |
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join:2001-08-22
Bronx, NY | Fios for MDUs It's about damn time. Now stop talking about it and do it Verizon!! I'm waiting in the Bronx!
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join:2004-09-07
Brooklyn, NY | Re: Fios for MDUs the question is that can there network hold all them people ?? | |
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Tzale
Ron Paul 2008 - Proud Conservative
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join:2004-01-06
NJ, USA
·Verizon FIOS
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| Re: Fios for MDUs said by brooklynman4 :the question is that can there network hold all them people ?? Of course! Why not? Verizon has been upgrading it's central offices and backbone network in anticipation of FIOS. A lot of areas are still only on DSL and experience problems, but most of the new FIOS upgraded areas don't have any problems at all providing the full bandwidth.
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| Re: Fios for MDUs Hell yea. I want to live in an apartment thats wrapped with coax all over the walls and ceiling. You should see what the techs have to do in Plano,TX apt.s its SOO rediculous. Obviously they didnt engineer the mdu's to use the existing coax.. Just plain Stupid. Even some apt. complexes have forbidden Verizon Fios installs do to this. mmmm | |
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| Hell yea. I want to live in an apartment thats wrapped with coax all over the walls and ceiling. You should see what the techs have to do in Plano,TX apt.s its SOO rediculous. Obviously they didnt engineer the mdu's to use the existing coax.. Just plain Stupid. Even some apt. complexes have forbidden Verizon Fios installs do to this. | |
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@optonline.net | More drilling of holes to fit fibers Will owners want their dwellings drilled for fiberwires up to 20th floors ? | |
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| Re: More drilling of holes to fit fibers I am moving to a complex with Fiber to the building and its not served by Verizon. Since its fiber optics, its the same thing. The inbuilding distribution is over RG6/UQ coaxial. That coaxial has plenty of bandwidth available as the carrier is moving to an all digital platform. So wiring the guts with fiber is not really necessary.
Ethernet speeds are increasing sharply and so a fiber pair to each apartment really isn't necessary even for the highest bandwidth applications. But if such did become necessary, having fiber to the basement split to fiber to the apartments isn't such a big deal to do since in this case the fiber optics is already in place and ready to go with CATV as well while Verizon FIOS has yet to even deploy let alone nab a NY Citywide CATV franchise. | |
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join:2005-01-18 | said by FTTHoles :
Will owners want their dwellings drilled for fiberwires up to 20th floors ?
Apparently so. | |
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join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| no news is suspicious news in verizonland Where are the announcements for new deployments?
There is virtually no snow on the ground this winter and the budget for 2007 FTTP deployment has gotten off to a molasses start... more assets are up for sale generating huge sums of cash.. but no sign it's going ANYWHERE but into the WIRELESS budget!! Retarded! | |
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MartyParty
join:2001-01-03
Dallas, TX
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| the horror I just ordered fios in my apartment in Irving, TX on 01-18-07. they came and left all kind of crap on the floor and wires hanging over my walls. they told me the complex is allowing them to do whatever they want but the result is but it looks like and ugly set up.
also it's still not installed. they came the following Saturday and still could not finish the install and now they have me in limbo for completion. i keep calling and calling only to be told their working on it.
I'd love to cut all these wires but afraid I'd get punished for it.
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| Fiber in Apartments Gee, lets put an ONT in the middle of an apt. in a closet with no power plug and then lets spiderweb someones dwelling with all kinds of wiring and equipment..Then gee, lets save more money by not running a coax FROM the ont to the outside dmarc to where all the coax's are homeran to. Then lets not tell the management company of the complex how we have to install Fios, sounds like a winner to me! | |
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@optonline.net | Fios in my Building lol please They can't even make availible Dsl in my building | |
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join:2005-01-18 | Re: Fios in my Building lol please said by Justblaze :
They can't even make availible Dsl in my building
Why? Explain. | |
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join:2003-01-17
Katonah, NY
| FIOS in Apartment buildings Any current threads on this and the equipment used?
I frequently visit a large apartment building in Briarcliff Manor, NY - Fiber has been installed in the hallways - mostly covered by a molding - looks like there is a fiber line provisioned to each apartment... This building has big money tenants, but most of them are seniors who are not likely to switch from the POTS + Cablevision provisioning that they have. Before FIOS, Verizon would not do DSL to this building, so the few who had a clue and a need for broadband got it from the Cable company.... | |
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