  RobIn Deo speramus.Premium
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kudos:3 | Question of Authority.. Should GoDaddy have the power to yank domain names offline? IMO it should be the sole discretion of ICANN. | |
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Council Bluffs, IA | Re: Question of Authority.. If it means the security of hundreds/thousands/millions of account names/password, etc...then yes, they have a right IMO.
If a big site like Google or Amazon all of a sudden posted a ton of credit card info or any kind of personal info, I'd rather have it yanked immediately in terms of taking site down temporarily until it was removed. Protecting people's security is much more important then a website losing some business.
If a site was up for days with people's personal info, alot would be ticked that the site or another site like godaddy for example didn't pull it to stop the breach of security. | |
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| | RobIn Deo speramus.Premium
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kudos:3 | Re: Question of Authority.. said by Jonbo298:If it means the security of hundreds/thousands/millions of account names/password, etc...then yes, they have a right IMO. If a big site like Google or Amazon all of a sudden posted a ton of credit card info or any kind of personal info, I'd rather have it yanked immediately in terms of taking site down temporarily until it was removed. Protecting people's security is much more important then a website losing some business. If a site was up for days with people's personal info, alot would be ticked that the site or another site like godaddy for example didn't pull it to stop the breach of security. This situation makes me think of the Spamhaus / e360insight case were the Judge awarded e360insight 11.7 Million dollars for Spamhaus's failure to appear in a U.S. Court (they aren't based in the U.S.). What if other "e360insight" come around and manage to get registrars to start yanking domain names.. it should be up to ICANN.
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Council Bluffs, IA | Re: Question of Authority.. Yes but how long would it take for ICANN to temporarily yank it. I'd imagine a little longer because of having to get a 3rd comapny involved. I could be wrong but just wary when things involve waiting on another company to take action. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: Question of Authority.. said by Jonbo298:Yes but how long would it take for ICANN to temporarily yank it. I'd imagine a little longer because of having to get a 3rd comapny involved. I could be wrong but just wary when things involve waiting on another company to take action. Who is the 3rd company involved? Myspace should have done directly to ICANN, presented their case, and ICANN would have yanked it. GoDaddy is under the regulation of ICANN.
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kudos:5 | Re: Question of Authority.. Godaddy has pulled similar schenanigans in the past, by killing the domain hosting the NAMESERVER a spammers domain was pointed at. Godaddy have serious ethical issues to address here, and should not be meddling in the domain name system if they are unwilling to do so in a fair and proper manner. Their current MO is simply yanking whatever they dont like for whatever reason and sending a groundless bill to the owners holding their domains hostage until they pay up so they will be permitted to transfer their domains elsewhere. This is not behavior i tolerate from a registrar, and suggest any godaddy customers to research what the company has been up to. They may be cheap, but they certainly arent to be trusted. | |
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kudos:5 | said by Jonbo298:If it means the security of hundreds/thousands/millions of account names/password, etc...then yes, they have a right IMO. If a big site like Google or Amazon all of a sudden posted a ton of credit card info or any kind of personal info, I'd rather have it yanked immediately in terms of taking site down temporarily until it was removed. Protecting people's security is much more important then a website losing some business. If a site was up for days with people's personal info, alot would be ticked that the site or another site like godaddy for example didn't pull it to stop the breach of security. I agree. This site's owner, like some others, defends the posting of illegally obtained userids & passwords as a necessary aid in improving security. They sound just like the scum hackers that frequent their sites.
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kudos:5 | Re: Question of Authority.. Please cite the law which was violated. | |
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Wichita, KS | Re: Question of Authority.. Ever heard of identity theft? How about facilitating identity theft?
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kudos:5 | Re: Question of Authority.. A username and password are not identity theft. try harder next time. | |
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Wichita, KS | Re: Question of Authority.. So you wouldn't have a problem with giving me your bank account username and password? Or how about a username and password to a shopping site that stores your credit card info? Some users on myspace do use the same passwords and user names on other sites or even have personal info in their profiles. Using that info is most certainly identity theft. No matter how you try and spin that it's not.
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Question of Authority.. First off anyone who uses the same passwords on different sites, or even worst yet post their personal info on unsecured myspace, or any profiles for that matter, are fools.
There is no excuse whatsoever, other than the poor excuse of ignorance and denial, to use random password generator programs such as RoboForm (The one I use) to generate random passwords on different websites that have ANY of your personal information.
You can not be too careful when securing private information on the internet. Ignorance and denial will make you a target.
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kudos:5 | Re: Question of Authority.. Myspace is not a banking system, it has no direct tie to anything financial or personal. I can not get your social security number from it. Stealing a myspace password is not identity theft. | |
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Hartsdale, NY | Invasion of privacy tort:
You cannot knowingly publish private data of private individuals, especially when a reasonable person expects the data to remain secure. This overrides the First Amendment. Case closed.
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1 edit | Re: Question of Authority.. It's the law; go look it up. Anyone who has majored in business has taken at least two law classes and would know this.
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kudos:1 | The problem is that these companies are not properly securing the information in the first place... the info has already been compromised and this is more a damage control PR ploy than anything.
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| |  pipdipchip8 Megabits A SecondPremium
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Hanover, MN | said by Jonbo298:If it means the security of hundreds/thousands/millions of account names/password, etc...then yes, they have a right IMO. We are talking about MySpace passwords. Not bank account passwords or something. Not really a huge deal.
In a perfect should GoDaddy have the right? Maybe. But the fact of the matter is, the domain owner has a right to explain his side of the story. Is posting MySpace passwords illegal? It would be a hard case. If he didn't break the law, what did they do wrong to have their domain taken?
In my opinion, taking a domain (which is property), should be the last last possible option and should be court ordered.
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Springfield, MO | Re: Question of Authority.. yes and think of the intelligence of the people that USE myspace
since it uses your e-mail as your logon i bet thay use the same pass for every thing its not a far leap to try it
some myspace logons and passes got out on 4chans /b/(random) board a bit back and some people on there did some realy not nice stuff like getting in to these peoples e-mail accounts then sending out suicide notes to every one in there address books | |
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kudos:5 | Re: Question of Authority.. SHHH! The first rule of /b/ is YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT /b/! | |
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| said by elios:some myspace logons and passes got out on 4chans /b/(random) board a bit back and some people on there did some realy not nice stuff like getting in to these peoples e-mail accounts then sending out suicide notes to every one in there address books That's so mean. Imagine the disappointment felt by the rest of the world when they discovered that MySpace users were not committing mass suicide. | |
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| Perhaps many of the commenters here should read the linked articles. The site that was taken down was a mailing list archive.
The owner of the site would have removed the information, but was not really given any notice before the take down.
Worse is that the list had been available on the web for over nine days before MySpace went after this one archive of the list. The list can still be found with Google.
Taking down this one copy of the list did nothing to help security for MySpace users or even make a dent in availability of the information. | |
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| Re: Security Theater said by riturno:The list can still be found with Google. Indeed. And who here will petition to have 'google.com' revoked because of it?
Anyone?
GoDaddy is out of control.
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| |  DaneJasperSonic.NetPremium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
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kudos:9 | That's silly - Myspace could have just locked all of the accounts down and required users to select new passwords via an email process. Or, just deleted all the accounts of the people who were silly enough to have their password captured.
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|  nwrickertsand groperPremium,MVM
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kudos:7
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| Go Daddy clearly made a mistake in this case.
It would be an even worse mistake to not allow registrars to yank domains. Such a restriction would be of great benefit to phishers and scammers. We need phishing and scamming domains to be yanked as soon as possible. | |
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kudos:5 | Re: Question of Authority.. The current system of yanking is obviously ineffective as there is no drop in spammers or scammers. Before you praise it, consider how successful it really is. | |
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kudos:7 Reviews:
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| Re: Question of Authority.. The current system of yanking is obviously ineffective as there is no drop in spammers or scammers. Before you praise it, consider how successful it really is. That's like saying that having a fire department is ineffective, since there is no drop in fires.
The proper question is whether the number of victims is reduced. | |
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kudos:5 | Re: Question of Authority.. arbitrary yanking with no due process or common sense is tantamount to having the fire department called when a person plugs in a space heater unsafely. It is an inappropriate response by an organization that should know better. There are many cases of such a reaction by godaddy and they should not be trusted with the power to do so at will. | |
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| Fuck that. That's like saying that GoDaddy needs reasonable intent to then ask ICANN if it's okay to kick them offline.
If you're an asshole enough to post something like that, you should be fine with getting the rug pulled from under your feet. | |
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Chicago, IL | Re: DNS doesn't take down a site...idiots Remember who MySpace is owned by...these people have very little face time with reality. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: DNS doesn't take down a site...idiots Yes, what a very FOXy thing to do... | |
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Middleboro, MA | Horray for B-lls Well Bob Parsons is not one to sit back and go with the flow.
I applaud GoDaddy for taking down the domain name. Federal law would probably protect him. ICAAN will back him.
Even if it was a breach of contract. Good going GoDaddy. | |
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join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL | Re: Horray for B-lls What are you smoking?
Parsons is an idiot...for many reasons, chief among them - naming a company Go Daddy!
GoDaddy is the worst ICANN registrar...and that's a shady bunch to begin with. Their saving grace is their low cost...but as they say, you get what you pay for and sometime, especially with GoDaddy, maybe even a little bit less. | |
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| | | said by bigjimc:Well Bob Parsons is not one to sit back and go with the flow. I applaud GoDaddy for taking down the domain name. Federal law would probably protect him. ICAAN will back him. Even if it was a breach of contract. Good going GoDaddy. Can you prove your contentions? Was this, in some manner, a violation of ToS with GoDaddy, or are they simply playing Jazz? Can you cite something that buttresses your contention that ICANN would approve of this?
Considering GoDaddy's boiled-down philosophy that you pay to use the domain name, but they own it, none of this is particularly surprising. I would never use them to register anything. | |
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Middleboro, MA | Re: Horray for B-lls Personal information posting which could be used for identity theft could be considered an act of Terrorism. I am not a lawyer and if anyone else here is and can prove me wrong then fine. Not a bunch of Yahoos spouting prove it.
My contentions are my contentions but I offer this. It is a violation of the TOS because the information posted on the site which the Domain Name resolved to had information that could be used for spamming purposes. Spam is against the law. Something called the Can Spam Act or something. Therefore it is a violation of the GoDaddy TOS.
GoDaddy contacted the owner of the site by email and phone and did not receive a response for an hour. I know it doesn't' sound like a long time but it was an hour. The owner admitted that he got the voice mails when he woke up. Maybe he should have had his phone on and near his bed. The violation of the TOS (as said by GoDaddy) should result in a take down of the Domain Name. The site was still there. The site was still accessible, you just needed the specific IP Address. It's a good thing that he didn't use GoDaddy as a site host or he would have lost the whole site.
I stand behind Bob Parsons' company. I hope they would do it again even if it was one of my site. | |
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kudos:5 | Re: Horray for B-lls NO. It's not. The mere thought of myspace being a national security concern is so obscerd im having trouble thinking of a reply, as im certain dozens of others are just as speechless. I can only compare your stupidity to that of our current attorney general, who famously stated americans do not have the right to hab corp guaranteed in the constitution. | |
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kudos:3 | Registrar's responsibilities The registrar should not be the judge, jury, and executioner.
Let the lawyers sort this one out. | |
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join:2001-06-25
Sacramento, CA
kudos:1 | RE: GoDaddy Takes SecLists.Org Offline As a small time domain registrar myself, I'm not sure I would have taken down the domain.. we do follow ICANN rules but I don't think they extend to "at your discretion" removals. In my 4 yrs of selling domains, I think I've removed one domain (it was a phishing site, IIRC) based on them using MY cloaking service (points to my generic addresses..) thus violating our TOS.
In any case, Myspace should have used the legal process or contacted SecLists.Org directly for immediate action.
P.S. NoDaddy (GoDaddy) is a terrible domain name reg.. also very hard to work with from a peer perspective..
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"I think the fact that we gave him notice at all was pretty generous," she said.
GoDaddy really messed up this one up. | |
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search for "myspace1.txt.bz2"
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kudos:5 | Re: Google? Rapidshare plz =P | |
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Franklin, TN | I got it too, just to make sure my username wasn't in it, LOL. Not that I care, I use some silly password for my myspace account, but I figured why not look  | |
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