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| Re: I wonder if Cingular Verizon said no because Apple wanted to bend them over. I guess Cingular was happy to oblige.
EDIT: After hearing about how Apple wanted the exclusive right to decide whether a phone got repaired/replaced or not, I've lost all interest in the iPhone. After all, the battery is built-in and non-replaceable, just like their iFads iPods meaning if it dies and Apple doesn't feel like repairing or replacing it, guess what? Time to shell out another $500. | |
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| Re: I wonder if Cingular And so, as I understand it, in order to keep your interest, you'd rather trust Verizon/Cingular/Not Apple to have the power to decide for you who should repair your iPhone, or start digging around in your iPhone in their own "repair center", instead of an Apple-certified repair location?
Rather not. Had that been the case instead of as you describe it, I would have lost all interest.
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| Re: I wonder if Cingular said by BuriedCaesar  :And so, as I understand it, in order to keep your interest, you'd rather trust Verizon/Cingular/Not Apple to have the power to decide for you who should repair your iPhone, or start digging around in your iPhone in their own "repair center", instead of an Apple-certified repair location? Rather not. Had that been the case instead of as you describe it, I would have lost all interest. I was once a cellular carrier service tech and we were better qualified that most of the manufacturers repair centers. We took pride in the fact that our customers needed their phones to be in top working order and had my a** reamed by customers if we didn't do the job right. We care more for the customer than for the dollar. So as for apple to state that they wanted the right to decide was not a fair decision. How many people can afford to keep replacing phones at the prices they charge if your contract is not up or your 2 yr wait is not over? I know I couldn't. | |
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| said by matrix3D :Verizon said no because Apple wanted to bend them over. I guess Cingular was happy to oblige. EDIT: After hearing about how Apple wanted the exclusive right to decide whether a phone got repaired/replaced or not, I've lost all interest in the iPhone. After all, the battery is built-in and non-replaceable, just like their iFads iPods meaning if it dies and Apple doesn't feel like repairing or replacing it, guess what? Time to shell out another $500. Or, time to shell out the money to someone else. If people would get off this APPLE bandwagon and buy a product that is worth the price. Though I despise Verizon, by snubbing the iPhone was the smartest thing they did. I bet if they went to another CDMA provider, Sprint, they would have gotten the door slammed in their face there too.  | |
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| Re: I wonder if Cingular Verizon has this "worry free guarantee" in which in the past, dependent on how upset I was when I call, credit would be offered, like $20 inconvienence, etc... They also are prompt with phone replacements, and usually don't ask a ton of questions, or enforce a ton of restrictions because, again, their goal (even announced on their hold music) is to minimize frustration to the customer. So in adhering to that, they decided not to take the iphone, because it would force them to rely on Apple to make their customer happy. Considering the company loses $150 cancellation fees that most people don't pay when frustrated and canceling, I could see how this would hinder them financially, but on a technical level, they are also tied up with the fact Apple refuses to allow anyone but Apple to support it. This means the requirement, in certain scenarios, where a conference call is needed to Apple to resolve the issue, whereas, most "knowledgable" reps can isolate it to a handset issue, and replace it. Since Apple wants to control that, it complicates things. Honestly, as stated before by me, my VX8300 does everything that Iphone will do, so to allow Apple this much control would say to me as the customer that they would rather put me thru the run around for help, because ultimately that will be the case for many users reporting issues with the device.
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| Actually, you CAN replace ipod batteries as well as with the new phone. A little more difficult, but none-the-less doable. I STILL agree that they don't deserve that much control, thou gh. I would be inclined to believe there is a little more to it than what we read in print, though. (i.e. $$$$$$$) | |
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| Hell, Apple sounds like the big record companies here.. weren't they going after Apple for a percentage of iPod sales??
My memory is a bit foggy.. Fashionable to support Apple, not fashionable to support music industry... I think I have it straight... | |
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MD2Be
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Canadian, eh?
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Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA | Re: Apple is the new Borg ROTFL, Apple is a small company?
As for Apple's monopoly practices: Last I checked there's dozens if not hundreds of different phones you can purchase. Apple's no monopolist; they've currently got a 0% share. | |
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| Re: Apple is the new Borg i suggest you check the dictionary for a definition of "monopoly." apple owns 0% of the phone market, they control a minute portion of the OS market so they are not able to leverage that against customers (the way phones running windows mobile require MS outlook and XP).
i agree that apple does have anti-consumer tendencies, but they get blown out of proportion as compared to other companies. all of the "railing" about the "ifad" and the non-replaceable battery. the ZUNE has a non-replaceable battery and NO ONE EVER FRICKING BRINGS THAT UP.
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| Good for Verizon As much as I like the iPhone, as Verizon subscriber (and a happy one at that) I'm glad Verizon did this. Apple isn't the new Microsoft... they've been rather controlling in their business practices for a long time. But I understand Verizon's point. I wouldn't want to get entangled with any company that dictated how far I can go to service my customers and make them happy. Heck, if a free replacement iPhone would have made a customer happy, who is Apple to tell Verizon not to give it to them?
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| Re: Good for Verizon Actually in my experience with Apple, Apple is more likely to authorize a replacement than any other third party. As an Apple customer of twenty two years the list of Apple products I've owned is long, and of all the ones that broke I was satisfied with Apple's quick and effective service department. Apple probably wants to make sure that anyone paying $500-600 for their Phone isn't going to get treated like crap by someone else's customer service department. | |
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Now that they signed a deal with Cingular through 2009 (or whatever it is), I'm that much closer to "never" to switching providers just to get a brand new phone with questionable reliability from a good company.
My girlfriend has Cingular/AT&T. I'll see if the fashion bug bites her, and if she drops a few hundred on this waste of time. She's getting 'tired' of her Razr, so I'm sure Apple's marketing magic will kick in as soon as she sees one in the store, or sees a friend with one. Me, I'm saving my money for a nice Canon Digital SLR. I'll take the $50 phone please.
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The Internet Is For Porn
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| Re: The whole point is moot said by Jeffrey :I wouldn't have gotten this phone even if Verizon signed the deal because I don't understand the fascination with this device... On a broader scale, your point is moot. You don't represent the consumer wireless market as a whole.
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Stop deleting my posts
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Elf Wizard
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| i wonder how many people use all the features of these phones they have today. i mean like anything new you use them when you first get it but how many a year downt he road still use more then the phone(the exception being people who need the blackberry style features for business).
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join:2004-06-06
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join:2001-12-19
California
clubs: | Re: Just wait.. I've seen knock-offs of other Apple products.
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trebzon
join:2001-09-03
Grandville, MI
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| Re: Just wait.. I have to agree. What I think everyone needs to remember is Apple has spent the last 5+ years attempting to differentiate itself. This is very important. Cell phones, MP3 players and even computers have moved to a commodity product category. What this means is that commodity products are treated as interchangeable and people shop price point. It is an issue that has caused copier and printer manufactuers massive headaches and loss in margin the last decade. Apple by positioning itself as a non-commodity product with an elite aspect to its brand gets a smaller piece of the pies perhaps but gets better control over the brand and much, much better margin. It is essential to the Apple brand that every product launched protect the larger brand. The iphone launch and strategy matches this strategy and no other strategy would be successful long term. It is not just about making money on the phone it is about building the brand and the company as a whole. | |
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join:2004-04-29
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| said by DrewCapu :I've seen knock-offs of other Apple products. None have impressed. I've seen actual Apple products, none have impressed. | |
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Macs Do It Better
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Sortofadog
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| Re: Just wait.. well then have fun grabbing your ankles to get yet another iFad from Teh iSteve.
The 'rest of us' don't really give a shit how many Apple products you've owned or how much money you've pissed away in your vain attempt to be "cool".
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| Who's smoking what? Apple sure is full of itself looking for a rev share.
The wireless providers stink for not standardizing and forcing you to purchase a specific phone for their network.
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
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| i call BS I think Verizon is just poo pooing the deal because Apple didn't want to get locked into ESN hell.
Apple probably wanted more control on a verizon deal because they knew of verizons shady practices with trinket selling on their stupid vcast network.
I bet Apples deal with ATT is a lot less restrictive because they know since its a SIM phone they can take it to other markets easily anyways.
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join:2005-04-07
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| Re: Maybe Apple didnt want the Iphone Thank you apple. I would rather talk into my shoe than a cdma phone.
At least there will be unlocked iphones eventually so that you can choose what provider you like. I don't know enough to say that cdma is unlockable.. But whats the point, your stuck in a very small pool of compatible providers. | |
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said by Fluker :I would rather talk into my shoe than a cdma phone.
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Waiting On Dsl Or Cable
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| said by Fluker :Thank you apple. I would rather talk into my shoe than a cdma phone. At least there will be unlocked iphones eventually so that you can choose what provider you like. I don't know enough to say that cdma is unlockable.. But whats the point, your stuck in a very small pool of compatible providers. So what are you trying to say? That you like switching providers every few months and swap the sim cards just because you can? CDMA is unlockable if you have the MSL. You're still stuck with that providers software on the phone though.
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join:2002-04-05
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| Re: Maybe Apple didnt want the Iphone said by evoxfan :said by Fluker :Thank you apple. I would rather talk into my shoe than a cdma phone. At least there will be unlocked iphones eventually so that you can choose what provider you like. I don't know enough to say that cdma is unlockable.. But whats the point, your stuck in a very small pool of compatible providers. So what are you trying to say? That you like switching providers every few months and swap the sim cards just because you can? CDMA is unlockable if you have the MSL. You're still stuck with that providers software on the phone though. No national USA carriers accept non-themselves ESNs nowadays. Your a idiot if you unlock you CDMA phone. | |
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cableties
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join:2005-01-27
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| Apple Sells Coolness. Verizon just sells communications.
Control phreaks! Both of them!
Personally, as cool as the iPhone is, where is it? It's not out yet.
I just want a phone. To call. I would like a PDA-thing to do more, but I can talk on a phone while I use my laptop. Can you talk on this iPhone, surf, email, control remote server(s) all at once? At ubiquitous speeds?
"But, it's soo cool!"
"I don't need cool. I need a better job. You hiring?"
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| Re: Apple Sells Coolness. said by cableties :I just want a phone. To call. I feel the same way about cellphones. When I was replacing my last phone, I walked into the Verizon Wireless store and the sales representative asked me "What do you want your phone to do?" I answered "Make calls?"
I wound up getting a phone that had a 1.3 megapixel camera, could record video with sound, and could play MP3s not because I wanted all of those features, but because I had a $99 credit towards a new phone and that phone happened to cost $99. I used the digital camera for awhile until the "cool factor" wore off. (Though my son's daycare class liked having their picture taken at a moment's notice. ) I rarely used the video (especially after finding out that it was in a proprietary format with no means of converting to a more standard AVI/MPEG. I never used the MP3 player functionality, but I did get a USB data cable off of eBay and used BitPim to upload MP3s to my phone to use as ringtones.
For my next phone (whenever I get it), my requirements will be "makes calls" and "lets me upload my own MP3 ringtones via a USB data cable." (Who needs to pay tons of money to Verizon Wireless just to get a poor quality version of a song that I legally own anyway?) | |
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join:2005-07-22
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| Here is what I think Verizon didn't want to have to compete with iTunes, wanted to load their stupid SW onto the iPhone (or have control of the interface), and/or wanted to lock down features that are standard on the iPhone so they could charge to unlock those features.
Once the iPhone was previewed, they started getting tons of calls on when they would be getting them into their stores.
Now to save face, they put this spin on it. Seeing how the wording in the article is very non-confrontational, I think they still would love to offer the iPhone.
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join:2005-04-07
West Lafayette, IN | Re: Here is what I think verizon phones are so annoying to me. There is no part of their latest phones where you can't see the vcast plastered.
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| Re: Here is what I think said by Fluker :verizon phones are so annoying to me. There is no part of their latest phones where you can't see the vcast plastered. I hate that word now. Why not just hack your firmware/phone with the USB cable. My VX8300 is fully customized (although I decided to keep the Verizon GUI, because the themes aren't too bad). I unlocked MP3's, and deleted all the V-CAST splash screens.
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It's Biden Vs. the Biscuit. Sarah's hot
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| Proof the CDMA iPhone exists As I said before, I guarantee a CDMA version of the iPhone was developed, and is locked deep in the vaults of Cupertino, along with that porno from Hitler's bunker, and the real Zapruder film.
This is just proof. Just like Apple had an Intel version of their operating system for years, and developed it side by side with the Power PC version.
There is a CDMA version of the iPhone, and it will evolve just as the GSM version out in the public.
Me, personally? I wouldn't have bought one, eve if it was from Verizon. I'm a satisfied Verizon Wireless customer, but that's just too damn much to pay for a cell phone... | |
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No Fear
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| Re: Proof the CDMA iPhone exists said by soothsayer15 :The Japanese use CDMA in the majority of their wireless networks. FOMA is more like GSM/UMTS then it is like the 'CDMA' used in the United States. They are not compatible with each other.
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| Re: Tomorrow's headline: Sprint was Apple's 2nd iPhone Choice I was going to say the same thing.
People don't go with the first offer they get, and companies shop around even more so for a good deal.
I have no doubt that Apple not only shopped the leading cell providers but has probally already made deals with some of cingulars compition.
Look at the razr phone, who had it first, and how long it took before even the smallest cell service providers were pimping it to thier customers. Hell, now I think you can get em for free from some places.
Give it a year after it comes out, and then pick it up at your current provider, at least by then most/some of the kink in the OS will be worked out. | |
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join:2003-10-02
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| AT&T won.. Verizon has to say something Verizon tried to reach an agreement but didn't. Their reasoning is total BS. Verizon already only offers certian phones to partners depending on their "level". A true Verizon store has all the goods, a kiosk has less and a multi service shop get only the phones that Verizon gives them. Its not unique to Verizon either. I am sure that Apple was in negotiations with several providers at the same time, that gave them maximum bargaining power. Verizon just got juked by AT&T but they can only publicly blame Apple for being too pushy. Lets be real, no one is kind and warm at the negotiating table until the deal is signed. | |
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Pianotech
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texans20
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Reasons the iPhone sucks:
No expandable memory.
Exclusive to one of the worst carriers
No swappable battery. Heavy users are screwed
Slower EDGE
No 3rd party apps (this is the deal killer for me)
Touch screen sucks
If it shares anything with the iPod then I'm sure it will scratch easy and the battery will be questionable. Sorry Apple iFanboys, Apple just isn't that great for me. I don't understand why OSX is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and I don't see why iPod is the greatest MP3 player.
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join:2006-11-21
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| Re: iPhone Sucks Dont forget its whopping 5 hours of battery life. Who wants a phone that needs to be charged almost every day? Also, knowing Crapple, they are going to put propritary batteries in them and require it be sent to Crapple to be "fixed" when the battery dies (after about a year), just like in the original iPods. As a happy Verizon customer, I am glad I won't have to look at this pile of trash when I go to pick out a new phone. Take your junk eslewhere Crapple. | |
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Who wants a phone that needs to be charged almost every day?
You mean like the RAZR? The phone isn't out now, but IIRC they were saying 5 hours talk time. That's not too bad and about in line with other phones.
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Also, knowing Crapple, they are going to put propritary batteries in them and require it be sent to Crapple to be "fixed" when the battery dies (after about a year), just like in the original iPods.
Guess one of the hundreds of vendors selling replacement batteries for the first generation iPods are mistaken then? Most will even give you the instructions and tools. Some will even install it for you.
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