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Huntsville, AL | Re: Who Cares now, really? Of course its about $$$. Google is making money from Viacom's content. Viacom wants compensation OR have the videos pulled. I think thats fair. | |
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| Re: Who Cares now, really? I agree. If I spent money developing tv programs(no matter how bad it is) and someone else without a license post it on a site and make money out of adds and banners linked to my program, I should be fairly compensated. After all, they are making money out of my efforts, their efforts none! | |
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| Re: Who Cares now, really? said by chemaupr  :I agree. If I spent money developing tv programs(no matter how bad it is) and someone else without a license post it on a site and make money out of adds and banners linked to my program, I should be fairly compensated. After all, they are making money out of my efforts, their efforts none! Anyone who follows my news posts can see that I am always on the side of so called "piracy"
It's one thing to share HDTV shows. It's another to make hundreds of thousands of dollars off of other people's shows.
Call people who share files whatever you want - but they're not making money off of other people's work. They're sharing it because they want other people to see it, and maybe even buy it, because they have respect for the work. Youtube making money off of someone else's work is legitimately wrong.
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| Re: Who Cares now, really? said by thender :said by chemaupr :I agree. If I spent money developing tv programs(no matter how bad it is) and someone else without a license post it on a site and make money out of adds and banners linked to my program, I should be fairly compensated. After all, they are making money out of my efforts, their efforts none! Anyone who follows my news posts can see that I am always on the side of so called "piracy" It's one thing to share HDTV shows. It's another to make hundreds of thousands of dollars off of other people's shows. Call people who share files whatever you want - but they're not making money off of other people's work. They're sharing it because they want other people to see it, and maybe even buy it, because they have respect for the work. Youtube making money off of someone else's work is legitimately wrong. I guess you call your position morality?  | |
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b) No, I don't call it morality.
I just don't find it fair.
Torrent sites direct people to material, and make little-no money(usually the latter). They don't actually hold any of the content, and they are always taken down.
Yet a site that makes a boatload of money, off of actually _hosting_ the content(not pointing people to it, but being the source of it), receives no ill will.
I think the playing field should be more fair. Either youtube receives more crap, or torrent sites receive less.
For the record, I don't use torrent sites - they're too much of a pain in the ass, they were just trhe best example I could think of at the moment.
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[/bquote :People sharing files that someone spent allot of money creating. Instead of paying for it. Are EXACTLY the same as someone who walks into a store and shoplifts. . Several courts say it(filesharing, not for-sale-piracy) is not, but thanks for playing.
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And the theft not only affects the company your stealing from but the Parents/People who work there. Smaller bonuses, smaller benefits, all trickles down too the little guy in the end.
Your arguement is that it is against the law. If it is against the law, you shouldn't have to amend to your arguement. Once you begin arguing aftereffects, then you open the gate for me to.
Every record label you talk to will agree with the statement that 80% of what they try to promote flops due to bad promotion.
What better promotion is there than the internet? You'd think the fact that sales went up 11% in music the year napster became popular, and 5% the next, would be proof enough of that statement.
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| said by thender :Anyone who follows my news posts can see that I am always on the side of so called "piracy" It's one thing to share HDTV shows. It's another to make hundreds of thousands of dollars off of other people's shows. Call people who share files whatever you want - but they're not making money off of other people's work. They're sharing it because they want other people to see it, and maybe even buy it, because they have respect for the work. Youtube making money off of someone else's work is legitimately wrong. People sharing files that someone spent allot of money creating. Instead of paying for it. Are EXACTLY the same as someone who walks into a store and shoplifts. And the theft not only affects the company your stealing from but the Parents/People who work there. Smaller bonuses, smaller benefits, all trickles down too the little guy in the end.
It's pretty black and white. But your glasses are Rose colored.
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DaMaGeINC
The Lan Man
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clubs: | How in the hell are they making money from someone watching a low quality 30second clip of a tv show? Ive never seen anything on youtube over a few min long. | |
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| Re: Who Cares now, really? said by DaMaGeINC :How in the hell are they making money from someone watching a low quality 30second clip of a tv show? Ive never seen anything on youtube over a few min long. You're kidding right? Have you ever been to the site? Look for these things they call banner ads. These ads generate money.....
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| Re: Who Cares now, really? said by DaMaGeINC :And who the hell clicks on banner adds? I sure as hell dont. Are you stupid?
They make millions of dollars off banner ads. You might not click them, but enough people do... Not to mention just having them on a site like YouTube costs the advertisers a lot of money...
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| Re: Who Cares now, really? said by kyramilan :said by DaMaGeINC :And who the hell clicks on banner adds? I sure as hell dont. Stupid people! I guess their is a lot of money to be made on stupid people. You would think people were smarter, but obviously not.
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| said by GoodyearMark :said by DaMaGeINC :How in the hell are they making money from someone watching a low quality 30second clip of a tv show? Ive never seen anything on youtube over a few min long. You're kidding right? Have you ever been to the site? Look for these things they call banner ads. These ads generate money..... What's a Banner Ad?
I use Firefox with Adblock Plus installed.
Ain't seen one of those in ages.
AFAIC, Viacom can shove their stupid low quality videos where it hurts.
There are plenty of other low quality faire on YouTube. | |
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| Lets get rid of all viacom content! I think it is time that all viacom content is removed from the net. In fact it should be taken further and all broadcast of viacom content should be prohibited. No minor under the age or 21 should be allowed to view, hear, own or come into contact with any viacom content. Viacom should only distribute content at viacom owned stores in the remote areas of the state of Montana. This should end the problem with piracy/unfair compensation of viacom and their artists once and for all.
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| Re: Where Yeah yeah yeah....we all know about all the cool ad block host files etc...but due to the 95% of the population that doesn't banner ads and pop ups are still a very profitable business.
Not everyone, in fact most are not informed...if they were things like "geek squad" wouldn't be profitable either. | |
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against Google these days? I know that in a competitive
market there are no such things as real friends, it just
seems as though Google seems now to be the thorn in
every big company's side (even moreso than Microsoft)
lately. I'll bet that Viacom probably did not make a big issue about their videos being on YouTube too much until
Google bought YouTube. Even though Google's "do no evil"
approach to business is starting to falter a bit, it must be something about that company that has got AT&T, Verizon,
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Google's do no harm went out the window 4 years ago when they gave information to the Chinese about searches.
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| no kidding - check out what they just did to one clever application developer:
"YouTube has blocked a small company from making YouTube videos available on mobile phones. The action came just days after YouTube announced its own mobile deal with US mobile phone operator Verizon.
TinyTube used to encode YouTube video so that it was available to view on mobile phones, but was stopped late last year by YouTube, which contacted it and said that that encoding violated the YouTube terms and conditions."
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Huntley, IL | Re: Internet a series of YouTubes! ...or maybe they see Google as a potential threat in the future. Is it absurd to think that Google might venture into hardware/software in the future? You've got to do something with all that cash... | |
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| said by upidstay :
Why does it seem that nearly every other company is
against Google these days? I know that in a competitive
market there are no such things as real friends, it just
seems as though Google seems now to be the thorn in
every big company's side (even moreso than Microsoft)
lately. I'll bet that Viacom probably did not make a big issue about their videos being on YouTube too much until
Google bought YouTube. Even though Google's "do no evil"
approach to business is starting to falter a bit, it must be something about that company that has got AT&T, Verizon,
Microsoft, (Balmer threating to f***king kill them) and
others scared.
Because people are jealous of their success.... Microsoft, Google, YouTube, MySpace... They are sites for people to hate because they are popular. In Microsoft's case, people just hate them because Gates is rich.
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| Re: Internet a series of YouTubes! said by Tzale :said by upidstay :
Why does it seem that nearly every other company is
against Google these days? I know that in a competitive
market there are no such things as real friends, it just
seems as though Google seems now to be the thorn in
every big company's side (even moreso than Microsoft)
lately. I'll bet that Viacom probably did not make a big issue about their videos being on YouTube too much until
Google bought YouTube. Even though Google's "do no evil"
approach to business is starting to falter a bit, it must be something about that company that has got AT&T, Verizon,
Microsoft, (Balmer threating to f***king kill them) and
others scared.
Because people are jealous of their success.... Microsoft, Google, YouTube, MySpace... They are sites for people to hate because they are popular. In Microsoft's case, people just hate them because Gates is rich. -Tzale I get where you are coming from, but what about all the famous movie stars and rappers? They flaunt their riches blatantly in front of everyone and people still see their movies or buy their albums and love them. Some people hate them, but I think most don't care if they are richer. Just look at MTV's show Cribs. | |
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| Re: Internet a series of YouTubes! said by imrichfemaledog :said by Tzale :said by upidstay :
Why does it seem that nearly every other company is
against Google these days? I know that in a competitive
market there are no such things as real friends, it just
seems as though Google seems now to be the thorn in
every big company's side (even moreso than Microsoft)
lately. I'll bet that Viacom probably did not make a big issue about their videos being on YouTube too much until
Google bought YouTube. Even though Google's "do no evil"
approach to business is starting to falter a bit, it must be something about that company that has got AT&T, Verizon,
Microsoft, (Balmer threating to f***king kill them) and
others scared.
Because people are jealous of their success.... Microsoft, Google, YouTube, MySpace... They are sites for people to hate because they are popular. In Microsoft's case, people just hate them because Gates is rich. -Tzale I get where you are coming from, but what about all the famous movie stars and rappers? They flaunt their riches blatantly in front of everyone and people still see their movies or buy their albums and love them. Some people hate them, but I think most don't care if they are richer. Just look at MTV's show Cribs. Yeah, but the thing is that it is a small vocal minority who say this type of stuff. The majority of people have no problem with MS, MySpace, Youtube, Google, etc.... It is the select few who make it their life's passion to spread the news about these companies.
It is a lot easier to pick on a company than an individual person.
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| Amusing... I find this all amusing, actually. 2 big corporations at odds... not what we're used to with previous David/Goliath scenarios.
Anyway, the paidcontent articles has this line:
Viacom wants a deal similar to those already reached by music labels and CBS Is this the deal from last October? »www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2006-···ls_x.htm If so, the problem might be that back then YouTube was pre-Google and more amenable to making deals. Or it could be that Viacom wants a similar but somehow better deal that wouldn't have worked then, either. I dunno.
Anyway, the current request to pull the videos is probably intended as leverage only... part of the bargaining process.
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CylonRed
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| said by TheTony :What about the numerous videos that Viacom themself are posting? CBS News regularly uses YouTube to post their clips online, for example. Since CBS owns the content they post - no problem. If joe schmoe were to upload CBS news content who does NOT own the content - then it would be a problem. | |
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join:2000-08-16
Miami, FL | simple resolution Remove the files YouTube and implement a piracy voting system based on the users if it's copyrighted or not. Once reaching enough votes it automatically removes the content. | |
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join:2003-03-17
Maumee, OH | Re: simple resolution Sometimes clips of shows I see on Youtube get me intrested in looking at the real thing on tv.
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Anyway, the current request to pull the videos is probably intended as leverage only... part of the bargaining process.
I agree, it's all about the new deal.
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implement a piracy voting system based on the users if it's copyrighted or not. Once reaching enough votes it automatically removes the content
I like this, though users are rarely respected enough to self-regulate, I actually believe it would work fine, and it's the only realistic way you *can* regulate thousands of daily uploads as well. | |
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| said by brianiscool :Remove the files YouTube and implement a piracy voting system based on the users if it's copyrighted or not. Once reaching enough votes it automatically removes the content. Why would the users get to decide if its piracy? Copyright exists, that is the determining factor. End of story.
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richardpor
Fur it up
join:2003-04-19
Portland, OR | Mark Cuban must be laughing Perhaps somebody at You Tube / Google will figure out how to run a REAL business. Instead of a AstroTurf business of producing nothing and selling nothing. | |
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join:2005-04-14
Richmond, VA
| What revenue and from where? Someone please explain to me the revenue stream from youtube *based* off of the actual content contained in the videos.
What, if any, revenue crosses hands from people directly watching a video? If anything they *spending* money on the actual bandwidth.
Oh ads? Pfft. Even if the videos weren't from tv they'd still make *ad* revenue from people visiting the site for movies such as Ted Kennedy blabbering, Ted "Tubes" Stevens going on about the interweb tubes that are getting clogged, and other internet crazed videos that were home made, which the majority still are imo. And that ad revenue still has to go to the bandwidth costs to some extent. So the actual end revenue can't be *that* much can it? Don't give me the quarterly earnings either, I want to see the long term earnings. | |
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join:2001-04-29
Jacksonville, FL
| As blunt as possible... These @$$holes are trying like hell to turn this into a "pay per view" scenario. They would love it if they could charge folks to watch something they pay to see already with their cable TV plan. I just don't understand how these companies like Viacom can think the percentage of non cable subscribers watching this stuff is high enough to mean people are stealing. Say we put a percentage on the numbers we have now. Out of the so-called "1.2 billion video streams" being used by these 100,000 videos, I'd bet only 5% don't subscribe to cable TV/Satellite/Channel the clip aired on. My point is this, how do they expect the public to react when they are trying to double dip their customers for money? I really wish the government would cave in on this one. The television shows they are probably most concerned about are just prime time content, which now-a-days, nobody can be home to watch, because in modern America, people are still at work, and want to watch these shows from work. They should be glad someone took the time to record it, and convert it into a web friendly version. This saves them money, and gives free publicity.
HEY TV EXEC'S, HERE'S AN IDEA! Make your own site, and clips/show downloads, and allow anyone to subscribe for a fee. Then sue the people who are now illegally distributing your digital content.
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