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join:2004-07-11
Constantine, MI
clubs: | Cutting corners? whats all this then? Verizon cutting corners? it can't be! | |
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 | Nightwchtr
join:2001-09-10
Falls Church, VA | Re: Cutting corners? That maybe be somewhat true but it also did report alot of the mishaps are due to poorly marked areas by the utilitie companys aswell. | |
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fireflier
Coffee. . .Need Coffee
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join:2001-05-25
Limbo | Re: Cutting corners? I noticed that too. Who's marking the lines for Verizon? Sounds like whoever that is needs better records or equipment. | |
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cdru
Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Cutting corners? said by fireflier  :I noticed that too. Who's marking the lines for Verizon? Sounds like whoever that is needs better records or equipment. The mayor of the town I work in recently stopped my my work to talk about a variety of upcoming construction projects that would have an affect in the area. One of the things he commented on was an ongoing project to completely upgrade and separate storm and sewage sewer lines. He said that in many cases, they had to refer back to a several decade old notebook they just happened to stumble on in the archives to determine the location of old sewer lines. Other then that book, there was no maps or anything. And the book was even cryptic as it was the notes book a previous city engineer kept everything in.
My point is in some areas, the company in charge of coming out and marking lines isn't at fault because the actual utility owner kept bad records.
I would imagine that the type of infrastructure upgrade has a lot to do with the number of "hits" the contractor does. I'm 28 years old and in my relatively short life, I have never seen a major infrastructure upgrade where a complete neighborhood has been required for cable tv, telephone, cable, etc with the exception of fiber. This isn't just about stringing up new wires on a telephone line or burying a new trunk, it's going into each and every neighborhood in a city or town and laying miles of fiber everywhere. You are going to have a lot of criss-crossing of wires and pipes and whatnot, and issues like this are bound to happen, especially if the existing infrastructure isn't marked off.
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| Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | no, they're cutting wires and sewer, they've left the corners alone.. | |
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Loker
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join:2004-07-11
Constantine, MI
clubs:
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| Re: Cutting corners? said by Ahrenl :no, they're cutting wires and sewer, they've left the corners alone.. don't forget the Azaleas....
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Yaco
Yaco
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Allendale, NJ | I think a few other people are cutting corners.. Not just VZ.
Here in my town in NNJ everything is marked pretty well.
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hayabusa3303
Over 200 mph
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join:2005-06-29
clubs: | Re: Verizon Employee? funny the gas lines was 6 feet below. Thats a serious stake. | |
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Surfinusa
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join:2001-02-08 | Re: Verizon Employee? Thats why utilities always say call before you dig.
If you do and you still hit there line its there fault. | |
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cdru
Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
·Verizon FIOS
| said by hayabusa3303 :funny the gas lines was 6 feet below. Thats a serious stake. Well, you know, that frost line runs pretty deep in San Jose.
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thender
Glamour Profession
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join:2004-05-16
Staten Island, NY | Bandwidth > water You can get a portapotty in your backyard, you can get water at the supermarket by the gallon.
But where can you get 31/9.5 mbps for $55/month in tampa bay? Where? You can't.
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| wev567
join:2006-02-25
Pittsburgh, PA
| Re: Blame Tampa said by pnh102 :So who is going to hold the City of Tampa accountable for their shoddy job in keeping track of where these lines are buried? Perhaps Verizon should just skip Tampa even if their ban is lifted because the fiber optic cable is very likely to be damaged by another utility because of this problem. Lines are marked by the owners, so the gas company does their lines, etc... | |
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Phattieg
join:2001-04-29
Jacksonville, FL
| Re: Blame Tampa said by wev567 :said by pnh102 :So who is going to hold the City of Tampa accountable for their shoddy job in keeping track of where these lines are buried? Perhaps Verizon should just skip Tampa even if their ban is lifted because the fiber optic cable is very likely to be damaged by another utility because of this problem. Lines are marked by the owners, so the gas company does their lines, etc... Since when? Cable locates does all the utility locating in Florida. They (utility company) has to call cable locates, and locates comes out, sprays the ground, plots it in their records, and leaves the mark on the lawn, or sidewalk, etc, to show the company where they SHOULD bury. Often, the line is not followed exactly, as the construction workers might run into scenarios where they have to re-route at the last minute when the backhoe/boring machine is on site, and a problem with the selected path comes up. Instead of rescheduling locates, usually they just bury it and never report the change. How about the City either fine the locates company, or make the utility company come out and re-establish where their lines are with underground sonar, or something. Oh, wait, that costs money, and the city needs power/sewer more than internet, thats right.
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cdru
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
·Verizon FIOS
| Maybe in your local it's done that way, but around here there is a utility service company that comes out and marks everyone's line for the actual utility. It's quicker and easier for everyone involved as if you had to coordinate 6 or 7 utilities to come out and mark their lines, it would take forever and have quite a bit of duplicate efforts.
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apeface
join:2000-09-16
Mckinney, TX
·AT&T DSL Service
| Re: Blame Tampa Same here.
I used to work for the city water treatment plant and every time a company wanted to dig, we went out and marked only our lines.
The power, gas, phone, and water companies would all come out and mark their transmission lines with flags or different colored spray paint.
I've never heard of a another company/service marking another companies/services lines. Who the hell would want a cable company coming out to mark a gas line, that's nuts. | |
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cdru
Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Blame Tampa said by apeface :I've never heard of a another company/service marking another companies/services lines. Who the hell would want a cable company coming out to mark a gas line, that's nuts. It's not one utility marking another utility, it's a 3rd party that comes out and marks them. At least the few times that I've seen them in my neighborhood it's been that way.
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hydracalm
join:2000-10-01
Riverview, FL
|  i have FiOS just outside of Tampa
But the service is awesome, internet is twice as fast as Roadrunner ever was (even though they claimed the same speed). And they are the best deal for HD tv outside of DirecTV | |
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RIRWIN1983
join:2005-08-30
Columbus, OH | Re: i have FiOS just outside of Tampa are you shre you have the right name, bc Mastec is also the name of a DirecTV HSP (read: subcontractor) that installs their systems. Perhaps there is more to this? | |
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Surfinusa
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join:2001-02-08 | Re: i have FiOS just outside of Tampa Mastec also install Fiber optic lines for Roadrunner in my area for Brighthouse networks. They are contractors. | |
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clickwir
join:2001-06-21
Dickson City, PA | Re: i have FiOS just outside of Tampa werd up.
They wouldn't be much of a contractor if they were exclusive to just one company. | |
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cdru
Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN | Was Mastec the direct employer of the contractors, or was it subcontracted out? For the Verizon FiOS deployment around here, there were 3 or 4 layers of contractors.
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Goodbye VZ
@speakeasy.net | Verizon - wake up! Stop using cheap SCAB labor and trying to break your unions.
You get what you pay for. | |
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digitalfreak
Frodo failed. Bush has the ring
join:2005-12-09
Blacklick, OH | Re: Verizon - wake up! Oh shut up. | |
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Amadeus
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join:2005-05-02
Miami, FL | Don't care I wouldn't care what they cut as long as fios was here. We feel the need...the for speed..  | |
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| nonymous
join:2003-09-08
Glendale, AZ | Re: Don't care Here is your need for speed. You are above laying cable and the ground work. So shove it. | |
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| ShadezeRO
join:2006-04-24
Fort Lauderdale, FL | Heh, those Floridians should be thankful it's even being offered.
Us south Floridians are stuck with Faulty 6.0, and the rest barely able to get much over 1.5 | |
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Amadeus
Premium
join:2005-05-02
Miami, FL
 ·Cingular Wireless
| Re: Don't care yeah tell me about it. You're lucky if you can even get offered 6.0 speeds 
I call verizon a few months ago to see when fios would be available here and they "it won't be because there's no market for it there." I don't know where they got that idea from, if they came down here they would kill both comcast & bellsouth\att. | |
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@mindspring.com | it's no secret The quality of work in this area is not good. They have no idea where any of their underground lines are, constantly hitting them, constantly flooding the roads with broken water lines. If you want something done right don't move to Florida. | |
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shdesigns
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join:2000-12-01
Stone Mountain, GA
·Atlantic Nexus
| It is the county's fault I know someone who does geographic data for many FLa counties.
They are having serious problems. A large amount of their data is wrong. Seems when a development is built, a preliminary set of drawings is used.
After it is completed, it is supposed to be reinspected and any changes verified. The inspectors just sign off the old drawing and never verify anything in the final build.
Then someone complains about a neighbors fence being in their yard. The go to the county and the drawings show the property line runs right through their living room.
Many counties are spending a fortune to re-survey everything and integrate satellite imaging, utility info into one database that is accurate.
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Bobcat
Verizon blows, Cablevision sucks
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join:2001-02-04
Bedminster, NJ
·Verizon Online DSL
| More trouble in NJ quote:
Verizon's 'muddy mess' angers local residents
BERNARDS TWP. – An ongoing digging project for Verizon Communications drew complaints from a resident at the Township Committee meeting on Tuesday, Jan. 30...
Bob Draper, owner of a home on Commonwealth Drive in the Spring Ridge condominium development, told the committee that contractors who were laying lines along the street in early January broke a water line, flooding his front lawn; cut an electric line, knocking out street lights; cracked his driveway; and left "a muddy mess" for three weeks.
...other dig-related problems, including a loss of power on Deer Ridge Road, damage to an invisible dog fence and lawn sprinklers on Linden Drive, and complaints about door-to-door solicitations without a permit.
Mayor Mary Pavlini said the digging also caused a power outage on Woods End Road, and Committeeman John Malay said contractors created "a total mess" at Hickory Drive and Linden Drive while parking poorly lit equipment.
Committeewoman Carolyn Kelly suggested that Verizon officials – many of whom relocated last year to the former AT&T complex at 295 North Maple Ave. – report to the committee.
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