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'ISPs don't work for the RIAA'
EFF on recently leaked RIAA letter to ISPs
by Karl Bode 11:41AM Thursday Feb 15 2007
The EFF chimes in on the leaked RIAA letter that earlier this week exposed the industry's new effort to avoid the legal process in their campaign against p2p file traders. "EFF and others have long warned that copyright claims could become an altar on which personal privacy is sacrificed. Now the RIAA wants your ISP to voluntarily wield the knife, and there's no telling what else the RIAA might ask for once this cut has been made," says the EFF's Cindy Cohen. "The last time we checked, ISPs don't work for the RIAA, so until the major record labels come to their collective senses, ISPs shouldn't be handmaidens in their misguided lawsuit campaign."


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Re: EFF - Encouraging Fraudulent Filesharing

Look bro, although I was someone who downloaded hundreds of songs per day eventually my own principles got in front of me and I erased around 90% of my library which was downloaded music.

Now I only listen to music I either recorded and was given a right to hear or I simply buy a album that's "really" worth it. Eventually as I became a sound engineer I began to realize how I was hurting artists and in person. Especially when one of the singer's of the group who I had a personal talk with gave me her point of view on P2P.

In the end all your doing is stealing and as much as I hate the RIAA, it's for other reason's beyond extortion. So just don't spout some crazy stupid ass idea with numbers out of your ass if you simply don't know what happens when you don't see it with your own eye's.

The money that comes in just don't go to the artists, what about me? I am a sound engineer I need to get paid, the mortgage for the studio needs to get paid, and all this expensive 40K in audio equipment.

A nice studio microphone is priced around 150 dollars and up, and that's just the freaking microphone.
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said by Nightfall:

I am a published writer and photographer. In my short freelance career, I have personally caught a few websites and publications using my work as their own. A few sites were non profit, but still, the point is that my work is just that. Mine to own. If I sell that work, then it is no longer mine.
And thus you followed the procedures by copyright law to notify and pursue owners of such websites and publications on that matter? You had your work registered with the Copyright Office? Not sure I follow you here. There are plenty of protections for intellectual works.

said by Nightfall:

I know software makers who make shareware who find their full version products downloaded thousands of times on P2P networks. Then you have the small regional bands who will share a couple songs of their work, but find their full albums out on P2P networks. The community expects us to believe that these people aren't seeing a cut in their profits from lost sales? Please. I personally know 6 people who have at least 8GB of music they have downloaded and have no intention of buying. However, they listen to this music on a daily basis. If that doesn't spell lost sale right there, I don't know what does.
Before P2P you could tape a song from the radio and listen to it on a daily basis, wasn't that legal and did that spell a lost sale?

said by Nightfall:

There has to be some protection of intellectual property rights out there. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying P2P should be outlawed, but there has to be a punishment for illegal file sharing. In my mind, there should be a totally independent law enforcement group going after people who are sharing digital music and movies online.
Again, I'm not sure I follow, there are plenty of laws protecting intellectual property rights. P2P != illegal. Sharing digital music and movies != illegal. Law enforcement is not a dept. of the RIAA/MPAA. They can follow due process and existing laws. The problem is they want to legislate their way to profits. Besides, there are far bigger problems that deserve independent resources in the USA than maintaining the RIAA/MPAA outdated business model.

said by Nightfall:

There is no such thing as anonymous file sharing, which is why it should be very easy to find those that infringe and be able to prove it. Gee, its as simple as getting a list of everyone sharing, their IP address, ISP hands over their information based on the IP, and there you have it.
It is not that simple. It has already been shown in a news item recently that even connecting to say, a torrent tracker that is being watched over by MediaSentry will get your IP flagged as an illegal filetrader, even if you're not uploading/downloading. And lets not forget about the dead filetraders and other bogus lawsuits that the RIAA has filled. Someone takes your car without your knowledge and robs a bank. Would it be fair if you have to pay for that crime? An IP address is not a reliable identifier of an illegal filetrader. And besides, the ISP will hand over the personal info of an illegal filetrader as long as the RIAA follows due process.

said by Nightfall:

There just needs to be a separate entity doing all this work and not the RIAA.
And there are plenty that will do the work, I just don't see why we as taxpayers or the ISPs have to subsidized the cost of it. Let the RIAA/MPAA pay for it. Going by their inflated figures on loss due to piracy, their ROI will be almost immediate.
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The EFF needs a new name - Encouraging Fraudulent Filesharing. They seem intent on making sure that people can illegally share music and movies without paying for them.
Maybe TCH needs a new name - The Corporations Hyperbole. So intoxicated with the gospel spewed by corporations that it makes him type blanket statements with extravagant rhetorical exaggerations and not an iota of logic in them.
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The EFF needs a new name - Encouraging Fraudulent Filesharing. They seem intent on making sure that people can illegally share music and movies without paying for them.
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