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| Re: w00t? "second time offenders are forced to watch an eight-minute anti-piracy DVD produced by the RIAA"
Ouch! That should be for 3rd time offenders. Lol I can see it now...Stop downloading or I will make you watch a boring video full of Bull Shit!!! 
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| | | Hate to say it but kids need to abide laws. Or, use an encrypted Newsgroup (like smart people do).  | |
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1 edit | Re: w00t? said by kyramilan:Hate to say it but kids need to abide laws. Or, use an encrypted Newsgroup (like smart people do). And what is to stop the RIAA from hiring a kid at $20/hr to monitor the encrypted newsgroups? Encrypting your NNTP connection does no good unless the news host doesn't retain the X-Posted-From IP. If you can do it, so can the RIAA.
Even then, encrypting the NNTP session is completely pointless and just wastes bandwidth. It's not like your ISP has an RIAA installed packet capture server that monitors all traffic and uses behavior analysis and packet combining to determine that you are transmitting copyrighted material.
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| | | | | Re: w00t? said by Matt:said by kyramilan:Hate to say it but kids need to abide laws. Or, use an encrypted Newsgroup (like smart people do). And what is to stop the RIAA from hiring a kid at $20/hr to monitor the encrypted newsgroups? Encrypting your NNTP connection does no good unless the news host doesn't retain the X-Posted-From IP. If you can do it, so can the RIAA. Even then, encrypting the NNTP session is completely pointless and just wastes bandwidth. It's not like your ISP has an RIAA installed packet capture server that monitors all traffic and uses behavior analysis and packet combining to determine that you are transmitting copyrighted material. I guess it is simple: DON'T Violate the Law! | |
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| | | | | | Re: w00t? said by kyramilan:said by Matt:said by kyramilan:Hate to say it but kids need to abide laws. Or, use an encrypted Newsgroup (like smart people do). And what is to stop the RIAA from hiring a kid at $20/hr to monitor the encrypted newsgroups? Encrypting your NNTP connection does no good unless the news host doesn't retain the X-Posted-From IP. If you can do it, so can the RIAA. Even then, encrypting the NNTP session is completely pointless and just wastes bandwidth. It's not like your ISP has an RIAA installed packet capture server that monitors all traffic and uses behavior analysis and packet combining to determine that you are transmitting copyrighted material. I guess it is simple: DON'T Violate the Law! I just created a law that states to kill yourself kyramilan. You're BS beliefs state you must follow anything that is a law.
Good luck killing yourself. Make sure to do it slowly and painfully.
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| | | | | | said by kyramilan:I guess it is simple: DON'T Violate the Law! What law would that be? Copyright law? I have yet to see the RIAA come up with an iron-clad argument in their favor. They work in gray areas in copyright law and boast their opinion on it as the word of law. How many lawsuits have the RIAA won? How many actually make it to court? How many countersuits do we hear about only to have that case swept under the rug and never heard from again?
It's as if the RIAA are afraid the truth would come out. That truth is individual music sharing that doesn't involve profit is allowable under copyright law. I'm not talking the spirit of the law (which is to promote the arts), but also the letter. | |
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| | | | | said by Matt:And what is to stop the RIAA from hiring a kid at $20/hr to monitor the encrypted newsgroups? When the RIAA hires said kid @ $ 20.00 per hour, then kid uses the RIAA's extortion tactics, to sell IP addresses back to RIAA at $150,000 and up per IP. 
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| | |  nixenRockin' the BoxenPremium
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Alexandria, VA | said by Matt:Even then, encrypting the NNTP session is completely pointless and just wastes bandwidth. Wastes bandwidth or wastes cycles?
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Scarborough, ON | The RIAA would be shot down in flames in court. These RIAA weasels sound like the kids that were picked on in school and are trying to get back at the evil world at any cost. I'd push their faces back in the schoolyard. God dam right. | |
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|  NerdtalkerWorking Hard, Or Hardly Working?Premium,MVM
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Tucson, AZ | said by DreamWraith:I would take suspension over a frivolous lawsuit any day As would I.
However, it'd be better if you just didn't have to do anything at all, period.
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|  Fluker
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West Lafayette, IN | I don't know, a semester suspension would be more expensive than forking over a grand to the Recording industry.
Although I'd rather that my money go towards improving schools than financing a fleet a BMW's on the west coast. | |
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| | lol lol reminds me of that time when the RIAA tried to sue that MIT student and when he said that he couldn't afford the fine, the RIAA suggested to him that he drop out of school...What exactly do they hope to do by pursuing broke college kids? | |
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|  ChiyoSave Me Konata-ChanPremium
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kudos:1 | Re: lol oh yeah "Maybe you should consider going to a community college or drop out" classic as if the RIAA wasn't rich enough way to corrupt todays youth. | |
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| | firing blanks targeting college peeps will just make kids trade with each other rather than the outside if they r smart | |
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West Lafayette, IN | Re: firing blanks dc++ is phenomenally popular in the dorms at Purdue. It's on par with having an Ipod. You can find ANYTHING even the indie/not yet popular stuff. It's like free usenet only downloads @ >2Mb/s are considered slow.
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+Lan traffic does not count against your 5 gig allowance.
+It's private from the outside. So as long as illegal porn doesn't make it in, there are no worries.
I wish I had a lan like that..... Well actually no. I'd be addicted and not have time to enjoy all that I could find. | |
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1 edit |  Purdue could be looking at a BIG RIAA lawsuit
Under federal law, universities that receive complaints about students illegally distributing copyrighted songs generally must act to stop repeat offenders or else the schools can be sued.
Purdue, which has received 1,068 complaints so far this year but only 37 in 2006, said it rarely even notifies students accused by the RIAA because it's too much trouble to track down alleged offenders. Purdue said its students aren't repeat offenders.
"In a sense, the (complaint) letter is asking us to pursue an investigation and as the service provider we don't see that as our role," spokesman Steve Tally said. "We are a leading technology school with thousands and thousands of curious and talented technology students." Look out Purdue. This AP news story just put a big RIAA target on your chest.
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1 edit | Re: Purdue could be looking at a BIG RIAA lawsuit Purdue's lan uses a very simple DHCP based system. Other campuses like IUPUI require installing software that mandates tracking and antivrus software so that they can be network nazis.
Anywhere on campus, rebooting your computer gets you a new IP most times and unsecured wireless points are standard issue. | |
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| | | Umm, as Purdue SAID, they DON'T keep track of who has what IP address at what time. How exactly are they supposed to 'warn' a student if they don't know which student it is?
Purdue has NOTHING to worry about. They have a SMART policy of NOT logging IP addresses to names, so everyone is effectively anonymous.
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Kings Park, NY | Re: Purdue could be looking at a BIG RIAA lawsuit Your IP address is really not that important. Your MAC address
is! I will say no more.
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| | | | | Re: Purdue could be looking at a BIG RIAA lawsuit well, if the RIAA provides a MAC ADDRESS, then sure, they could trace the student. But an IP address ISN'T a mac address. | |
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kudos:4 | said by karlmarx:Umm, as Purdue SAID, they DON'T keep track of who has what IP address at what time. How exactly are they supposed to 'warn' a student if they don't know which student it is? Purdue has NOTHING to worry about. They have a SMART policy of NOT logging IP addresses to names, so everyone is effectively anonymous. Willful ignorance is never a defense under the law:
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| | | | | Re: Purdue could be looking at a BIG RIAA lawsuit- yeah right My buddy is an idiot about computers. I would like to think of my self as god compared to him. low and behold, he goes to purdue freshman year with a new dell, 2 months later he cant stop talking about how hes got this, and that off dcc. no fair. i heard there was a way to proxy in to their network, but it didnt pan out and was disabled or something. freaking asians set him up good. damn their smart | |
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| | | | | Re: Purdue could be looking at a BIG RIAA lawsuit That's nice. But if you read the article, they specifically said their students are not repeat offenders. And of course there is no way to prove otherwise. Same IP address does not mean it's the same person. | |
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| | | | | Willful ignorance? The fact that they don't keep logs isn't willful ignorance, it's just the way they do things. Of course, if you live in a twisted, sick worldview, where everyone MUST BE MONITORED (her bush), then yes, they are wrong. But luckily, the current regime hasn't been able to FORCE anyone to keep logs of their users. Hell, if the **AA's start to piss off Verizon or Comcast, I FULLY expect those megacorps to make a policy of NOT KEEPING LOGS.
The only 'cost' to the **AA's is a court filing. The cost to the ISP to provide that information is MUCH much higher. So, I'm sort of surprised our favorite corpate shill is in favor of keeping logs? Doesn't he realize that keeping logs will LOWER THE PROFIT of the megacorps? A tasty dilemma indeed.
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kudos:2 | Give it up, no one supoprting riaa except you on this board. Unless RIAA can prove who was downloading they got no case. Good luck suing the school when school got no clue who was downloading | |
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2 edits | said by Romney2012:» news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070221/ap_···ng_musicUnder federal law, universities that receive complaints about students illegally distributing copyrighted songs generally must act to stop repeat offenders or else the schools can be sued.
Purdue, which has received 1,068 complaints so far this year but only 37 in 2006, said it rarely even notifies students accused by the RIAA because it's too much trouble to track down alleged offenders. Purdue said its students aren't repeat offenders.
"In a sense, the (complaint) letter is asking us to pursue an investigation and as the service provider we don't see that as our role," spokesman Steve Tally said. "We are a leading technology school with thousands and thousands of curious and talented technology students." Look out Purdue. This AP news story just put a big RIAA target on your chest. What kind of nonsense analogies and bent truths of 'morally upright' fervor will we read today from our favorite corporate shill, the world will never know!
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or else the schools can be sued
I can see the headlines. "RIAA shifts crosshairs from ghetto families to education facilities"
The RIAA is a leech - off its artists, off consumers, off of technology in general since their ideal world is one where technology is only for them, and not for us. They need to learn their role, or shrivel up and die.
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| | Clockwork Orange "second time offenders are forced to watch an eight-minute anti-piracy DVD produced by the RIAA"
So do they tie you down and taped your eyes open and feed you junk music and tell you not to file sharing. | |
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| | Ruckus.com & Napster This is why many schools are giving away free or discounted music from; Ruckus.com or Napster. | |
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|  PaulgDisplaced YooperPremium
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kudos:1 | Re: Ruckus.com & Napster It's really too bad that Ruckus is absolute garbage, It's a useless ad-driven pile of crap with little music selection.
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| | | | Re: Ruckus.com & Napster its ad-drive due to its free for the schools. And they contact each record label and the artists directly to offer the music. But you also have to take in account they're not very old--maybe going on a year old. | |
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| | | PaulgDisplaced YooperPremium
join:2004-03-15
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kudos:1 Reviews:
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| Re: Ruckus.com & Napster They're at least 2.5 years old, We were one of their pilot schools, and they were first starting my first semester.
None the less, the product is garbage, the player crashes fairly frequently, and its too Dependant on WMP.
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| | | | | | Re: Ruckus.com & Napster I have no problems with it. Its a pain in the ass to install it at first but after that its great to go. Its based on WMP for DRM. You only need their player open to download after that you can play the music in WMP. | |
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kudos:3 | Anyone... Anyone have an NZB file or a good torrent tracker where I can find this Anti-Piracy video? | |
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| | Sooner or later your number will come up... ... and then your azz will be on the line. Piracy is a crime as all courts have ruled so get a life. | |
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|  JeffreyWilpon please sell the MetsPremium
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kudos:3 | Re: Sooner or later your number will come up... said by itsthelawfool :
... and then your azz will be on the line. Piracy is a crime as all courts have ruled so get a life.
Spoken like Ali G himself. | |
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| | | |  Re: Sooner or later your number will come up...
said by Jeffrey:said by itsthelawfool :
... and then your azz will be on the line. Piracy is a crime as all courts have ruled so get a life.
Spoken like Ali G himself. Hmmm..... so we have finally exposed our beloved Taylor Troll. He is really..... BORAT. 
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| | | Snappy anonymous name : +5 points
Snappy title of doom : +2 points
Use of the word azz (un-Taylorlike slang) : -5 points
Piracy propaganda : +5 points
Trying to prove point (un-Taylorlike) : -2 points
False statement regarding courts (also un-Taylorlike) : -5 points
Final "slap" statement (get a life) : +2 points
Total : 2 points.
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Northford, CT | Garbage It makes me angry that the RIAA is having so much success blaming their shortcomings on "piracy". Sure, like if illegal downloading didn't exist, sales would be through the roof. What utter bullshit.
Maybe if you signed some acts that would sell records things wouldn't be as bad as you say they are. Maybe if you didn't try to screw your consumers and sue them, things wouldn't be as bad as you say they are. Why are DVD sales thriving while CD sales stagnate? Because DVD producers give fair value. Too many damn times, CDs dont.
It also makes me angry that the media - and the AP especially - choose to do little more than parrot the RIAA's agenda. That downloaders will be prosecuted when in fact the focus is on uploaders who download.
Only the RIAA would use litigation, or the threat of litigation, as a business strategy, with the stooges in media as all-too-willing partners. They are trying to do something no one in the history of America has ever done. They are an organization that is failing and desperately clinging to a bad business model that no longer works, that has to resort to using scare tactics and media manipulation to goose sales. | |
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Milledgeville, GA | Why are the schools doing anything in the first place? The response of the schools to the RIAA should be "Provide the documentation where a court has ordered the identification of this person. If there is no such item, please do not contact us again until you have a subpoena for our records."
The actions taken in the name of "compliance" are disgusting. What happened to the burden of proof? Just because some "official-sounding person" claims X song came from Y ip address means they're automatically guilty?
The biggest crock is having accused students watch an RIAA-created video. Noooo - there's no propaganda in there!! All the schools are doing is taking a "please don't sue us" approach and doing whatever they think will appease the RIAA.
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|  KeepOnRockinMusic Lover ForeverPremium
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Beaverton, OR | Re: Why are the schools doing anything in the first place? said by MooJohn:The response of the schools to the RIAA should be "Provide the documentation where a court has ordered the identification of this person. If there is no such item, please do not contact us again until you have a subpoena for our records." The actions taken in the name of "compliance" are disgusting. What happened to the burden of proof? Just because some "official-sounding person" claims X song came from Y ip address means they're automatically guilty? The biggest crock is having accused students watch an RIAA-created video. Noooo - there's no propaganda in there!! All the schools are doing is taking a "please don't sue us" approach and doing whatever they think will appease the RIAA. I agree! Let the RIAA dish out their suponeas through the courts and legally force the college to uncover any names of "accused" file traders.
Perdue is an educational institution, not some goon of the RIAA or the copyright cops. | |
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Scarborough, ON | At least they didn't lose their lunch money As always i tell the RIAA go out and get a job. Do something productive like these college punks. | |
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