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| Re: Next In Line In a related story, the BoA has now decided that if someone steals your car (like they are stealing your wi-fi signal) and uses it as a getaway vehicle in an bank robbery, you will be held liable. How dare you leave your car parked where someone could steal it. | |
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If a person steals a gun from your house and uses it in the commission of a murder. The original owner of the gun (who it was stolen from) is prosecuted for involuntary manslaughter. | |
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| Re: Next In Line Under the law, securing a firearm is under when it is locked. You can have the firearm on the kitchen table and the doors and windows locked and it is technically locked up.
But the Commonwealth of Massachusetts will find a person negligent for anything. They want to be the next England and take away all firearms. | |
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| said by bigjimc  :Welcome to Massachusetts.. If a person steals a gun from your house and uses it in the commission of a murder. The original owner of the gun (who it was stolen from) is prosecuted for involuntary manslaughter. When did this bill,the instant criminal act get passed? Is it 24 or 72 hours one has to report firearms theft? One better pray, one is not away on a weeks vacation somewhere, when such a theft occurs. You'll return from vacation an instant criminal.
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Are you serious? That is just plain retarded!! Cant wait till that one goes up for constitutional review.
Don't hold your breath waiting for a favorable ruling. Are you aware of the anti-gun Democrats elected last mid-term election.?
Hitlery Clinton, Kennedy, Schumer, O'bama, Pelosi, Rangel, Boxer, Feinstien...etc, etc, etc. A Constitutional review, will never come up for review with those azz holes in office.
That is until they stack the bench with very Liberal , anti-gun judges first. Count on it. Join the NRA folks.
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| Re: Next In Line said by guitarzan :That is until they stack the bench with very Liberal , anti-gun judges first. Count on it. Join the NRA folks. Oh Brother  Good luck with that... Should only take next 50 years or so... Oh wait... maybe the Liberals will form a secret Anti-Gun Cabal and hire Dick Cheney to go on a hunting trip with the Supreme Court Justices... then when they die from accidental shootings, they can stack the bench with very liberal, Anti-Gun judges! YA! That's it....
Join the NRA? How about joining the real world first?
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| Re: Next In Line said by KrK :Oh wait... maybe the Liberals will form a secret Anti-Gun Cabal They have done just that.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Campaign
»www.guncite.com/hci2nd.html
»www.handguncontrol.net/
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said by KrK : and hire Dick Cheney to go on a hunting trip with the Democratic Liberal politicians... then when they die from accidental shootings, then Dick Cheney can take from the bench, liberal, Anti-Gun judges! Hunting as well.!! YA! That's it.. There fixed it for you. This way we can get pro 2nd Amendment and pro Constitutional ruling judges on the bench for the next 100 years. 
said by KrK : Join the NRA? How about joining the real world first? How about waking up and snapping out of the Liberal Utopian fairy tale, you're living in, and smell the BS you're being spoon fed and eating, while believing its good for you.
BTW: F*_k the world, America and Israel is all I'm concerned about. The rest of the world can go to hell. 
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| Re: Next In Line I forgot that you always "edit" and change everyone's posts in your replies because your "Logic" can't stand up to the weakest challenge.
Ooooh. Hitlery Clinton. Wow. I'll bet that took a lot of time to think up... No wait... I'll bet you just stole it from someone else, didn't you?
BTW: F*_k the world, America and Israel is all I'm concerned about. The rest of the world can go to hell. Actually, all it appears you care about is YOU and YOUR opinion, everyone else including America & Israel be damned. And yes, you sir, can go to hell. | |
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| Re: Next In Line Actually, I have no choice. I have to take care of number one first, it would be a major mistake to depend on anyone else.
Beside America and Israel, the rest of the world be damned for all I care. With all these Muslims and illegal Immigrants running around, it won't take very long for it to happen.
I forgive you for your weakness, which is socialism wrapped in the dogma of Liberalism without morality.
You Sir, are another person. who will not receiving a T-shirt which reads. All my friends went to hell and all I got was this lousy t-shirt. 
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| said by bigjimc :Welcome to Massachusetts.. If a person steals a gun from your house and uses it in the commission of a murder. The original owner of the gun (who it was stolen from) is prosecuted for involuntary manslaughter. I always knew MASS was a strange state but come on. If you steal the pen of the guy that sitting next to you in class then misspell words on your test, does the guy next to you get bad marks?
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| A friend had her car stolen in Chicago, it ran up 23 parking tickets, hit 2 cars, was identified as part of an attempted robbery before it was finally booted by a meter maid and reclaimed.
Chicago sez she has to pay the tickets, insurance sez her policy has to pay for the 2 hit cars (whereas they promptly dropped her) and though the car was heavily damaged, because it was still marginally usuable they would only pay to fix it before they released her policy.
OK, so if personal WiFi can be held liable, what about the book stores, retail outfits etc. that permit free non-authenticated WiFi, are they liable too? | |
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| said by imanogre :In a related story, the BoA has now decided that if someone steals your car (like they are stealing your wi-fi signal) and uses it as a getaway vehicle in an bank robbery, you will be held liable. How dare you leave your car parked where someone could steal it. Better watch out since if you run a bar and a patron gets drunk, drives a car and commits vehicular homicide, for literally decades there have been dram shop laws that make the owner of the bar liable for having served you. | |
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In a related story, the BoA has now decided that if someone steals your car (like they are stealing your wi-fi signal) and uses it as a getaway vehicle in an bank robbery, you will be held liable. How dare you leave your car parked where someone could steal it.
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said by openbox9 :What about businesses that provide Wi-Fi hotspots as a courtesy to customers? Provide limited access (i.e. web browsing) and block all other ports. If you are nice enough to let someone use your network, at least make sure that no one abuses it and exposes you to a lawsuit while they are at it.
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| Re: Hell Froze Over Slow it down so people are not able to get more than 512 down and 128 up. It may piss people off but it is a courtesy. At those speeds you could still use Skype or other VOIP service.
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| Re: Hell Froze Over said by bigjimc :Slow it down so people are not able to get more than 512 down and 128 up. It may piss people off but it is a courtesy. At those speeds you could still use Skype or other VOIP service. I don't know if I agree with the RIAA but I feel for the law enforcement agencies. and lose X number of customers | |
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| Re: Hell Froze Over So what. It is a convenience to be able to surf a little and check email maybe chat on IM. Not run a corporate website during a coffee break(sarcasm) or download two movies.
Anyone who is going to change their coffee shop because their free, complimentary, no charge wifi access won't let them stream audio or video can move along. It will keep the deadbeats from holding a seat and hour for $4 coffee. It might keep them from getting in trouble with the law too in the future. | |
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| Just because you provide a hotspot as a courtesy doesn't mean it has to be open. What I have done on the few that I have setup is use the companies phone number as the key. It makes it "secure" in the eyes of the RIAA and whoever else, it will keep the casual passerby out and make it easy for those that you want to use it to be able to use it. Plus if they come back it should be pretty easy for them to remember the key. | |
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| Re: Hell Froze Over "Make it secure in the eyes of the RIAA"??!!
Screw the RIAA and the horse it rode in on. Since when does the RIAA have any sort of official power to dictate the terms under which I operate my home network and its services? They are simply an industry organization that represents a music distribution cartel. Next, someone will suggest they play a role in Homeland Security.
Oh, Sweet Bleedin' Jeebus on a Garage Creeper, save us from the endless parade of willing victims. I beseech thee. | |
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| Re: Hell Froze Over said by JoelC707 :Oh I agree, they can kiss my ass for all I care. I'll run my home and work network how I want to. I was simply posting a suggestion for those that want to provide a hotspot but don't want to leave it wide open. Well, as it stands now, this is just the RIAA blowing smoke and spreading FUD, which is something that they do particularly well. There is a legal term for that: "Flailing".
They have lost some cases and they are seeking out new avenues to continue their de-facto plan of Litigation and threats thereof as a revenue stream.
I have a sneaking suspicion that the courts are starting to grok their true intent and are getting quite bored with them. | |
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| said by JoelC707 :Oh I agree, they can kiss my ass for all I care. I'll run my home and work network how I want to. The RIAA just convinced me to get a wireless router. Not only will I run it wide open and un-encrypted. I suddenly feel the need to share my bandwidth with anyone who wants it.
After all I'm paying for it, I'll decide what to do with my paid for bandwidth. As a courtesy, A canopy will be set up in case of rain, picnic tables and chairs will be provide free of charge 24/7.
You are doomed RIAA, because now, my new wireless friends will download the f*_k out music on P2P. There is one catch though, a bundle of blank Cdr's will be provided by me of course. Whoever uses my wireless, just burn me a Cd of music and leave it in a different container provided.
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| Re: Hell Froze Over said by bigjimc :They don't but your ISP does. Most ISPs have a TOS which does not allow for an open WiFi. Not agreeing with the RIAA but I think they want ISPs to enforce their TOS. Not here. That said, it's an apples and oranges equivalency, Jim. The real question is: Do we want to let the Armani-clad sharks of the RIAA dictate a national TOS standard? For that is where this is leading.
As a 27 year veteran of the big-time music biz, I can tell you that it would be a very, very bad thing to let those clowns do such a thing. Their technical knowledge is approximately nil, but oh, do they understand using the law as a tool for Combat Proctology. And they want to perform said Combat Proctology on everyone with an Internet connection. | |
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| It's the individual user's PREROGATIVE to secure their wireless network. If they don't want anybody using their bandwidth all they have to do setup a password account. Easy. People who WANT to share their bandwidth should not be forced to secure their open network.
The RIAA is up to their usual tricks again, thinking they can extort their clientele and skirt the law while doing it. I hope the EFF, or better yet the ACLU, get in on this particular case. It's way too invasive to impose liability like that. | |
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| You can never have a 100% secure wireless access point unless it's wrapped in a Faraday cage. This blame game bs really has to stop. I'm sorry people feel the need to share information, it's only been going on since before we became homo sapiens.
It's truly insanity to think you can track every single piece of information and where it came from every second of the day. The future of networking is faster, more availability, more portability, and on a global scale. If the RIAA wants to make it's job easier get a new business model. The world will not bow down because you ask it to. | |
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| said by KeepOnRockin :For once, I actually agree with the RIAA. It is the individual user's responsibility to secure their wireless network! If people don't know how, find someone who does or look it up online. Most (if not all) manufacturers of wireless routers have at least some security built into their devices. Ignorance is no excuse! [please no bad analogies comparing open wi-fi hotspots to other things; for everyone's sake ] Is there a law stating that wlans have to be secure? If there is please point it out. From my stance on it, its a choice and if it was law then all wireless routers would be shipped for secure modes only.
I don't buy or download music and haven't in the past 7 years. RIAA is losing money not because of downloaded music, but because most of the music is they protect is crap except 1 or 2 songs on a CD and who wants to spend (I think) $15 for a CD that has 1 or 2 songs that you like.
They really need to change their business model and allow people to purchase the music (individual songs) they like. They also need to give the artist their fair share. Because they don't do that, they are losing money because people don't want to throw $15 down for a CD just to have a few songs they want and figure they would sue people to make up for it. My question is if they win the case, does the artist get the money? I bet not.
So I am glad they also lost this case and have to pay all the fees and I think any artist that is in contract with them should just jump ship and sell or give out free their music on-line and make it all back in concerts they perform. It really wouldn't be any different for them other then they would now be more in control of themselves.
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| said by KeepOnRockin :For once, I actually agree with the RIAA. It is the individual user's responsibility to secure their wireless network! If people don't know how, find someone who does or look it up online. Most (if not all) manufacturers of wireless routers have at least some security built into their devices. Ignorance is no excuse! [please no bad analogies comparing open wi-fi hotspots to other things; for everyone's sake ] Although I don't plan on running mine open, I will say I paid the $100 dollars for my router, and if I'd like to operate it open, fine, they can't tell me what I can or cannot do. They are just pissed because they lost a case they shouldn't have taken to court in the first place.
Do you honestly feel someone has the right to tell you what to do with your equipment? It's your property, and they are infringing upon it by "seizure of violators equipment". You mean to tell me you stand by their tactics? I think they are the greediest people on the face of the earth. If you'd charge what the songs are worth (less than ten cent), the collective efforts of people all around the world actually paying would justify that price, and still get people rich. You have to actually be an artist, who makes music people enjoy, to make money. The RIAA/MPAA is the ones who are getting paid here, not the artist, and thats why they are fighting piracy, and the artist is ignoring it, because the artist still gets paid what they were promised. I hope the industry collapses, but I doubt that will happen.
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| said by KeepOnRockin :For once, I actually agree with the RIAA. It is the individual user's responsibility to secure their wireless network! If people don't know how, find someone who does or look it up online. Most (if not all) manufacturers of wireless routers have at least some security built into their devices. Ignorance is no excuse! [please no bad analogies comparing open wi-fi hotspots to other things; for everyone's sake ] That'd be a HUGELY bad policy decision. Then you make everyone potentially liable for the actions of any downloader. Any network, WiFi or cable-based is potentially exploitable. Just because you attempted to secure it, it may not be enough. How do you determine where to draw the line in determining liability?
But keep living in your simplistic little fantasy-land.
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| Re: Hear those RIAA goosesteps? Well, There is someone in Taylor, Mi. that would disagree.
Not to mention receptive politicans. I still have a letter from House Rep. Bobby Rush whom thinks the DMCA DOESN'T go far enough! It was his reply to my letter of disapproval over the INDUCE ACT fight. | |
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| The Next Step Is.... For the RIAA/MPAA to demand a loophole in all wireless encryption schemes that allows them to connect to your network and check any and all files on your computers. Cuz you know, it's hard to sue everyone when all you have is an IP address - it's so much easier if they just have access to your network directly. Clearly this the only justifiable next step!
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It's really simple. _I_ paid for my router. _I_ pay for my internet access. My ISP says that so long as I'm not doing uber constant uploading (which I limit through router firmware and such) then they don't care what I'm doing (short of running a business off my home connection. To that end, no one has the right to tell me what to do with my equipment. No one.
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| If you leave your wireless open Then you have the SAME RIGHTS as an ISP. That means you have a safe harbour provision, which frees you from any liability. It doesn't matter if you left it open by mistake, or for free. It doesn't matter if you don't keep logs. The FACT is that you were ACTING as an ISP for someone, and the RIAA knows that. What they are trying to do is make '2 classes' of ISP's. One class, the megacorp, will bend over and hand over records. The other class is the end user ISP. They want to make those people responsible, even though they are ACTING like an ISP.
The RIAA can't win. Period.
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| Ah, Any Day Is A Happy Day... ...when the RIAA loses a case. Makes up in a tiny way for all the grief they've put some people through.
Whoever mentioned in an earlier post about which artists are still supporting the RIAA's tactics brought up an interesting point. Who, exactly, is supporting them, and why should those of us, who do actually still buy the music we listen to, continue to support artists who employ and condone such a Gestapo-like organization?
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| More Nonsense... What happened to "the bad guy?"
So you own a business, provide free wi-fi for your customers, use AT&T for your ISP and some bozo illegally downloads a bunch of music.
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Hear those RIAA goosesteps?
