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Spring Valley, CA | this is why... people by-in-large hate the legal system... it's injurious, it's overly litigious, it's rampantly skewed in favor of big money organizations, and doesn't care for the truth, but instead maintains the adversarial system as a means to an end... having the riaa setup a quickie settlement system is no different then it being on par with an extortion ring... the only difference being that this system is legal while real racketeers and extortionists see the inside of a court room if they are caught...
every state bar association should be condemning this type of drive-by, buckshot scattering device to fleece people against false accusations... what a scam this is... | |
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PwnZone | Re: this is why... wow who knew the legal system could be this easy?!
if only there was a website to bribe the cops for when I need to deal some drugs, or sell illegal firearms. | |
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It is akin to "I'm suing you for so and so. Call 1-866------ (and our interrogator will get your to admit to it). Or, since you didn't call, you can use this website to settle the case."
I guess the RIAA no longer wishes to prove a case by foresic computer evidence just threats. | |
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| | | said by Asmodeus:every state bar association should be condemning this type of drive-by, buckshot scattering device to fleece people against false accusations... what a scam this is... You actually mean State Bars. | |
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| | | said by Asmodeus:people by-in-large hate the legal system... it's injurious, it's overly litigious, it's rampantly skewed in favor of big money organizations, and doesn't care for the truth, but instead maintains the adversarial system as a means to an end... having the riaa setup a quickie settlement system is no different then it being on par with an extortion ring... the only difference being that this system is legal while real racketeers and extortionists see the inside of a court room if they are caught... every state bar association should be condemning this type of drive-by, buckshot scattering device to fleece people against false accusations... what a scam this is... Man, this post is about the only one even needed for this topic. 
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Staten Island, NY | The guy who came up with this is a genius. Legal racketeering in the 21st century by America's favorite monopoly on art, hellbent on controlling the evolution of communications technology.
The line from annoying conglomerate to villain has been crossed. I can almost visualize the CEO as a cartoon character who batman brings to justice. | |
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That's terrific....That's terrific.
Bunch of 2 bit extortion artists.
I don't file trade, so if the come after me, they better be ready for a legal fight, along with a counter-suit for cost incurred....
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Staten Island, NY | P.S. Where is retirerich/TCH? He usually beats me to such threads with a generic, uninspired, unfounded, backwards-thinking comment on why X large company/corporation is right and X person is wrong. | |
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in topics of this sort.
Maybe he's downloading TV show episodes or something. I've
always wondered if he was a closet "pirate", and his
trolling was an attempt at misdirection.
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kudos:2 | Re: P.S. Where is retirerich/TCH? Good call. The RIAA and all of the corporations are evil, everyone who says different is a "troll", I have the right to take whatever music and software I want, blah blah blah. Yeah, look how hardcore I am now with my illogical justifications for my actions. Maybe I should change my user ID to warez_pirate_thasp_karl_69. | |
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Staten Island, NY | Re: P.S. Where is retirerich/TCH? said by quatrix:Good call. The RIAA and all of the corporations are evil, everyone who says different is a "troll", I have the right to take whatever music and software I want, blah blah blah. Yeah, look how hardcore I am now with my illogical justifications for my actions. Maybe I should change my user ID to warez_pirate_thasp_karl_69. Did you read the post above the one you made or do you enjoy trolling? Nothing wrong with it, I like to troll as well.
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Spring Valley, CA | said by thender2:He usually beats me to such threads with a generic, uninspired, unfounded, backwards-thinking comment on why X large company/corporation is right and X person is wrong. let me be clear... any company has a right to protect it's property, intellectual or otherwise... my main complaint is with the method by which that comes about... it's perfectly legal for the riaa to defend the interests and assets of the recording industry, but they are totally going about it the wrong way... this is extortion plain and simple and it's wrapped in the guise of an easy-pay system to get you off the hook... also what you don't see, if not read completely is the type of conditions you will have to agree to if you do settle in this fashion... it's crap... all of it... | |
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kudos:1 | Re: P.S. Where is retirerich/TCH? said by Asmodeus:it's perfectly legal for the riaa to defend the interests and assets of the recording industry, Glad you specified the recording industry, and not the poor working artist who sees very little if any of the profits going to the favored few and management.
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Spring Valley, CA | Re: P.S. Where is retirerich/TCH? said by RayW:said by Asmodeus:it's perfectly legal for the riaa to defend the interests and assets of the recording industry, Glad you specified the recording industry, and not the poor working artist who sees very little if any of the profits going to the favored few and management. i didn't specify anything... I was just stating what is rather than what people wish... there's rarely if ever in the past of anything resembling a rich or well-to-do artist... artists historically have always been on the shorter end of the stick financially... not until recently or at least within the 20th century have we seen substantial wealth come to artists of varying stripes... art has always been about being the poor, struggling artist who tries to make it big so his art can be seen and/or heard by more eyes and ears...
also, being an artist is a purely meritorious endeavor... if you are good, people will notice, and from that you will make money, but if you aren't and only want to create art for the sake of being a purist, then money and fame will not follow you... it's a trade off and really no one is to blame on ones success or non-success other than the artist... | |
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kudos:1 | Re: P.S. Where is retirerich/TCH? Oh? You consider the RIAA artists? It looked like you were separating those who control distribution from those who do the creating.
My apologies.
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Spring Valley, CA | Re: P.S. Where is retirerich/TCH? said by RayW:Oh? You consider the RIAA artists? It looked like you were separating those who control distribution from those who do the creating. My apologies. wow... how in the hell did you even possibly infer that i said that the that the RIAA are artists... the riaa is a collective group that represents the recording industry and it's artists... i never said anywhere or even implied that the riaa are artists... you are seriously going to have to explain how you got to that conclusion...
all i said was, was that the riaa has the right to defend the interests and property of the recording industry and the artists that it represents... the manner by which they do that is what is in question here, not who is a poor starving artist because of whatever mechanism you think the riaa is employing against them... | |
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kudos:1 | Re: P.S. Where is retirerich/TCH? Ok, you added the artists into the equation this time, not that most of them get anything worthwhile from the RIAA.
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Staten Island, NY | said by RayW:said by Asmodeus:it's perfectly legal for the riaa to defend the interests and assets of the recording industry, Glad you specified the recording industry, and not the poor working artist who sees very little if any of the profits going to the favored few and management. To be fair, some get a good contract, and some get screwed. While I will agree that most labels appear to do what you specified, some artists, not even large ones, do get a decent deal.
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kudos:4 | said by thender2:He usually beats me to such threads with a generic, uninspired, unfounded, backwards-thinking comment on why X large company/corporation is right and X person is wrong. Changed your name to WP from OfficerThasp . Trying to hide something?
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2 edits | Re: P.S. Where is retirerich/TCH? a) I did that about three minutes ago. Stalk much?
b) Inside IRC joke. Unlike your nick changes from RetireRich to TCH and god only knows what others, mine is temporary, and for slight humor. Yours is intended for deceit. Had I intended deceit, my avatar would change as well as my posting tag.
c) I have nothing to hide. I make my opinions as public and post them in context to any related news article. | |
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| | | Re: What's Next? In 100 years from now people will look back at this whole thing and laught at the RIAA/MPAA mob and their pathetic attempt to control digital content and squash P2P via some very questionnable methods.
That's of course if we don't live in a totalitarian corporate technocracy where the RIAA/MPAA types have all the power by then.:D | |
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|  BuriedCaesarIt's Not Polite To Stare.
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Richardson, TX | Nice. Or maybe the RIAA should just automatically start sending a bill to each parent/guardian of every new college student each August and January, just before classes begin - make it look like just another one of the bills they have to pay as part of their student's account.
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2 edits |  Give it some time, It's working...
The U.S. mail I'm sure evokes the same feelings and deep-seeded feelings in those workers.
You can't stop the stuff, it just keeps coming and coming. It's infuriating.
It seems to me that people will never stop trading music, and that's fine with me. The people involved trying to stop the flow of P2P, Limewire, etc. are fighting a losing battle. And I take that thought, reminisce about my 6 month stint at PCH, and I laugh loudly at the RIAA.
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Spring Valley, CA | Re: Give it some time, It's working... said by Jeffrey:I used to work at Publisher's Clearing house back in the day. okay, seriously... back in the day of the publisher's clearing house, they would send you all of the stickers for the magazine that you wanted to subscribe to and told you that even if you didn't subscribe you were still eligible to win... now, my question to you is if you knew whether or not this was a scam and that people who subscribed got preferential treatment over those that didn't and still expected the same chance to win the jackpot... | |
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1 edit | Re: Give it some time, It's working... said by Asmodeus:said by Jeffrey:I used to work at Publisher's Clearing house back in the day. okay, seriously... back in the day of the publisher's clearing house, they would send you all of the stickers for the magazine that you wanted to subscribe to and told you that even if you didn't subscribe you were still eligible to win... now, my question to you is if you knew whether or not this was a scam and that people who subscribed got preferential treatment over those that didn't and still expected the same chance to win the jackpot... Speaking from what I saw, not everything was a scam, but some of stuff definately was. There was a promotion that PCH ran when they sent you all that stuff in the mail. The promotion was to win a Mercades S500 or something (the details escape me). It was printed on a small (like an index card size piece of paper), and it had a picture of a nice Benz on it, and on the back you were to put your contact information. Name, Address, telephone, etc.
We were instructed to throw all of those out. No one that entered appeared to have been given a shot to win any car.
I believe in the last few years, the State/Fed came down on them, so perhaps their practices had changed. I was in between work at the time, and I was offered a job there which I took. I resigned after the 6 months to become unemployed again because I didn't like what I saw. 3 months after that, I landed my current job where I've been for 8 years. So, I did a good thing. 
What made me quit besdies the shadyness was that people from all across America thought they had won the $1,000,000. A woman - in her 50's - wrote a handwritten letter to PCH telling them how happy she is that she finally won, telling how broke she is. She was looking forward to a call back. Attached to her note, was one of her bills for $75,000 that she received from a hospital to cover her recent heart surgery that she spoke of in the letter. I was absolutely heart broken, and I gave my 21 day notice that evening.
Disclaimer: I am reporting what I saw, and what I was told to do. In no way do I represent PCH, their management or executive staff.
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Spring Valley, CA | Re: Give it some time, It's working... said by Jeffrey:said by Asmodeus:said by Jeffrey:I used to work at Publisher's Clearing house back in the day. okay, seriously... back in the day of the publisher's clearing house, they would send you all of the stickers for the magazine that you wanted to subscribe to and told you that even if you didn't subscribe you were still eligible to win... now, my question to you is if you knew whether or not this was a scam and that people who subscribed got preferential treatment over those that didn't and still expected the same chance to win the jackpot... Speaking from what I saw, not everything was a scam, but some of stuff definately was. There was a promotion that PCH ran when they sent you all that stuff in the mail. The promotion was to win a Mercades S500 or something (the details escape me). It was printed on a small (like an index card size piece of paper), and it had a picture of a nice Benz on it, and on the back you were to put your contact information. Name, Address, telephone, etc. We were instructed to throw all of those out. No one that entered appeared to have been given a shot to win any car. I believe in the last few years, the State/Fed came down on them, so perhaps their practices had changed. I was in between work at the time, and I was offered a job there which I took. I resigned after the 6 months to become unemployed again because I didn't like what I saw. 3 months after that, I landed my current job where I've been for 8 years. So, I did a good thing. What made me quit besdies the shadyness was that people from all across America thought they had won the $1,000,000. A woman - in her 50's - wrote a handwritten letter to PCH telling them how happy she is that she finally won, telling how broke she is. She was looking forward to a call back. Attached to her note, was one of her bills for $75,000 that she received from a hospital to cover her recent heart surgery that she spoke of in the letter. I was absolutely heart broken, and I gave my 21 day notice that evening. Disclaimer: I am reporting what I saw, and what I was told to do. In no way do I represent PCH, their management or executive staff. yeah, pch reminds me of the contests that McDonalds or pepsi has every now and then about how you can a million dollars and no one ever wins... ever... what a scam... | |
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Spring Valley, CA | Re: Give it some time, It's working... said by hottboiinnc:McDonald's did have ONE person win several years ago. The money was donated to St. Jude's in TN. It was on the news here. That was like 5 years ago if not 6. The winning contest piece was sent to the hospital without a name or anything. never heard a word about it... and i keep track of that kind of stuff... | |
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But Maxwell's House coffee is the same way. No matter how many cans of coffee you buy you never win anything and they have no mention of any winners. | |
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| | | said by paulinkc:is a 913 area code #... which according to Anywho.com, the reverse lookup says that they are located in Overland Park KS... not too far from my house. Go light a couple of fires outside their building. I will pay you generously. These ass holes are getting on my nerves. They are retarded from what I can tell. NO ONE IS GOING TO STOP DOWNLOADING MORONS!!!
First, the artist gets the least amount of money from their music. I support the artist and not the corporation. I support "piracy". If you want to support the artist go buy 5 of their shirts. They will see more money from that than if you bought every single one of their CDs.
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Umm, NO, the supreme court said that copyright infringement is NOT THE SAME as shoplifting.
'If you’ve been sued, it is because you have been identified as uploading or downloading copyrighted music without authorization."
Prove it Assholes.
"Should I hire a lawyer?
Whether or not to hire a lawyer is entirely up to you."
Umm, you are attempting to extort money from me, of COURSE I should hire a lawyer.
"Can I avoid this lawsuit if I immediately delete the illegal music and file-trafficking service from my computer?
No. Furthermore, once litigation becomes a possibility, deleting music files or the P2P service from your computer would violate your obligation to preserve evidence. "
Haha, dumbasses, you need to PROVE it was me. If I choose to wipe my hard drive, you have NO RECOURSE. | |
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1 edit | hahahahaha "please enter case number"
Denial of service in
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Three Rivers, MA | as if student loans don't hurt enough Perhaps they could combine the fine with the student loan payment for the rest of the kids life after college. That'll hurt....
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1 edit | Re: haha How sad they couldnt even make the site look nice! I just noticed the site is offline for me now. Oh Damn | |
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Benton, AR | Amen brother as soon as we can get this script to work for us in hollywood we will be able to go cha ching also. Who has to make any new stuff to make money when we can sue everyone and get revenue that way. | |
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3 edits | Re: You PIRATES ALL CAUSE SERIOUS HARM! I think this one is funny too..
Q. Will my parents find out about this lawsuit?
A. If you are under 18, a parent or guardian will need to be involved in this process and sign the settlement. If you are 18 or older and you settle with us prior to being named in a lawsuit, it is your choice whether to notify a parent or guardian. Once a lawsuit is filed that names you as a defendant, it becomes a matter of public record.
They are like the cigarette companies.. Targeting children and young adults.. lol
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: You PIRATES ALL CAUSE SERIOUS HARM! That's a really low blow. Tobacco companies EARN their money and have never once sued their customers!
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kudos:1 | Re: You PIRATES ALL CAUSE SERIOUS HARM! said by pnh102:That's a really low blow. Tobacco companies EARN their money and have never once sued their customers! Actually, it's the other way around (direction of the suits I mean).
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| | Yay! Awesome! Maybe they'll launch a service were I can consolidate all my debt(student loans and extortion fees) into one giant payment of anal rapage.
As a college student I see this as utter BS. I have no clue why they're trying to extort money out of those who in a few years will be making ALOT of money out of college. Morons maybe they need to go back to school. | |
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kudos:1 | Interesting issues A couple of points from the RIAA website -
The website represents that RIAA is counsel to the record companies - are they admitted to the bar??
They claim that the only way you can distribute music is if you own the copyright - not so, a licensee can distribute if the license says so. | |
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| | | Re: Interesting issues I think they should be posting the law firms and lawyers involved. You are not supposed to practice law in a state other than the one you have a Bar membership to.
Someone is going to get a letter, call the number, ask their name, ask their Bar #, and the Bar of that state is going to say, wait a minute. | |
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FuzzLand | Not Hacked Yet?!?
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Regina, SK | Re: Not Hacked Yet?!? said by fuzz:It's 6:30 EST and their website has not been hacked yet? WOW!! Any bets on how long before IT does get hacked???? | |
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FuzzLand | said by hrobins:said by fuzz:It's 6:30 EST and their website has not been hacked yet? WOW!! Any bets on how long before IT does get hacked???? Ok
Between now and Friday. For $1 billion dollars. 
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| | Cool... I wish I could come up with a model of exploiting people for their guilty conscience because of having done something that allegedly incurred millions of dollars of damages in lost licensing revenue, without offering a shred of proof as to their identity other than an IP address from a file sharing application.
There's truth, there's justice, and then there's the American way. Seems like the American way prevailed.
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