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Comcast Upstream Powerboost Arrives in Chicago
Power-cycle your modem....
by Karl Bode 11:09AM Thursday Mar 01 2007
As promised by our resident Comcast techs, Comcast has launched upstream Powerboost in the Chicago market. User impressions and speed tests are available in this thread. Customers in the area who aren't noticing the extra upstream kick should power-cycle their modems, according to Comcast technicians.

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Rickez
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want

I'm ready I want it. Those are nice numbers...
»[Speed] Upload powerboost is here! (Illinois and Indiana)

Defiance82
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Re: want

Yes they are nice. It works good here.

koitsu
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Re: want

Anyone wanna take votes on when northern California gets this technology deployed? Like with general rollouts, we're always (I repeat: ALWAYS) last.

So I'm guessing we'll get this sometime in August.
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Re: want

said by koitsu:

Anyone wanna take votes on when northern California gets this technology deployed? Like with general rollouts, we're always (I repeat: ALWAYS) last.

So I'm guessing we'll get this sometime in August.
Yeah, of next year maybe!
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Re: want

PowerBoost™ enhancement on upload speeds will continue to launch on a market by market basis through May 2007. Specific launch dates will vary by market.
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Re: want

Remember when @Home offered 10mbit/4mbit connections for US$30/month? Now we're paying US$72/month for ~8mbit/786kbit. Hmm.
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Fr0zen

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It's not, but honestly not that "nice". It's like you're car having 500hp for the first 1 mile of your trip then only havng 100hp. It's good for quick emails and small uploads, but honestly 2mbits up is a lot more used when uploading large files, not small.

MysticGogeta
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Gives False Hope of a Faster Connection

I think its a great idea but I would much rather have a uncapped service then a short "boost" in speed. This will just make people who do speeds tests happy.
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Re: Gives False Hope of a Faster Connection

Oh it's absolutely brilliant in a marketing perspective in that regard...

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I both agree and disagree.

Agree:
The core of the problem is that, for absolutely no justified reason (in my opinion), residential bandwidth has gone the asymmetrical route. A lot of networking equipment *does not work this way*, so honestly you have to go out of your way to make things asymmetrical.

There's really no technical reason that I know of for cable being asymmetric like that. I realise cable television was originally engineered with the concept of upstream data being very minute, but has the cable network not evolved since then?

Disagree:
As a Comcast user myself, I can tell you my #1 complaint has been with the upstream rate. I pay the outrageous price of US$72/month for my broadband service just so I can get something higher than a 384kbit upstream (the faster downstream is nice too, but that's not why I pay for the higher tier service).

So, from a residential user perspective, Comcast offering something like speedboost on upstream is absolutely wonderful. 2000kbit upstream? Awesome. You're NOT going to find DSL offering that anytime soon, because hardly any (basically none) of the DSL providers in the United States are going to re-engineer their networks and buy into ADSL2+ just to give customers that. Let's not forget that ADSL2+ only gives you decent speed improvements if you're an incredibly short distance from the CO, too.

Now, from a marketing perspective, Comcast offering speedboost on their upstream gives them another thing they can hold over the head of DSL.

Do I like DSL? Absolutely! I hate cable for the fact that it's a "shared bandwidth" medium; all it takes is one of my neighbours to be a w4r3z kiddie and my speeds are basically shot, since he'll be chewing up the pipe 24x7. I also hate how flippant latency is on cable. DSL gives each user what they pay for, and the latency is much more consistent/stable. If I had a choice of technology, DSL or cable, I'd pick DSL. But I'd want cable speed/bandwidth on DSL.

But honestly I don't see DSL winning this war until telcos agree to upgrade their existing networks, and that's never going to happen in the United States.
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DSHIELD

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Re: Gives False Hope of a Faster Connection

You pay 72 month for cable connection wow dammm why so high.

But now look very nice upload speed and download looks awesome but it's still too high 72 dammmmmm
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said by koitsu:

Do I like DSL? Absolutely! I hate cable for the fact that it's a "shared bandwidth" medium; all it takes is one of my neighbours to be a w4r3z kiddie and my speeds are basically shot, since he'll be chewing up the pipe 24x7.
Why share with only your neighbors when with DSL you can share with your whole town?

The "neighborhood sharing" issue is old, tired and mostly marketing FUD. With EVERY technology sharing is a factor. It is just where and how you manage capacity

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Re: Gives False Hope of a Faster Connection

said by devnuller:

The "neighborhood sharing" issue is old, tired and mostly marketing FUD. With EVERY technology sharing is a factor. It is just where and how you manage capacity
Precisely. And cable companies have a horrid track record of managing capacity.

There are precious few comments here or anywhere (if any at all) of anyone's speed being killed by the neighborhood warez kiddie on DSL. It is far too easy to do on cable, and no matter how much you want to deny it, it is an issue that DSL simply does not have.
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Re: Gives False Hope of a Faster Connection

said by RadioDoc:

There are precious few comments here or anywhere (if any at all) of anyone's speed being killed by the neighborhood warez kiddie on DSL.
Relativity. It is really hard to tell when the Internet is slowing down, when it starts that way.

LeftOfSanity
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said by koitsu:

I both agree and disagree.

Agree:
The core of the problem is that, for absolutely no justified reason (in my opinion), residential bandwidth has gone the asymmetrical route.
No justified reason? In case you haven't been around for a while all this broadband explosion eats up ALOT of bandwidth. You want symmetrical? Get all your friends and neighbors who refuse to get digital from the cable co's to either cancel or upgrade that tired analog service.

said by koitsu:

I both agree and disagree.

Do I like DSL? Absolutely! I hate cable for the fact that it's a "shared bandwidth" medium; all it takes is one of my neighbours to be a w4r3z kiddie and my speeds are basically shot, since he'll be chewing up the pipe 24x7. I also hate how flippant latency is on cable. DSL gives each user what they pay for, and the latency is much more consistent/stable. If I had a choice of technology, DSL or cable, I'd pick DSL. But I'd want cable speed/bandwidth on DSL.
You obviously need to read up on the subject. As noted above DSL is shared at the DSLAM, so they are both a "Shared" service. It's all about how the area plans and maintains for capacity. It's not "oversold nodes" or because cable is "shared".
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said by MysticGogeta:

I think its a great idea but I would much rather have a uncapped service then a short "boost" in speed. This will just make people who do speeds tests happy.
We all know that Mr. Average Joe spends all their time doing speed test. Can you at least admit it will benefit majority of folks who uploads pictures or short videos? How much is Comcast charging again for this? Say it with me, FFFFFreeeeeeeeee!
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Re: Gives False Hope of a Faster Connection

Haha, As always Beware of FFFFrreeee!

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Comcast advertises almost exclusively on speed, so it is natural for them to try to rig the results of speed tests. This succeeds admirably at that, and you've got to give their marketing department credit for coming up with the perfect ad scam.

I think some would disagree with your "free" assessment though. Last time I checked, Comcast HSI was far from free.
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Re: Gives False Hope of a Faster Connection

said by RadioDoc:

Comcast advertises almost exclusively on speed, so it is natural for them to try to rig the results of speed tests.
Comcast doesn't need to "rig" any speed tests to show its faster than DSL.

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Re: Gives False Hope of a Faster Connection

Who said anything about "faster than DSL"? They can't compete on price so they come up with some ethereal product attribute to concentrate on--"highspeed"--which means nothing. Then they use it to differentiate themselves. It's classic marketing.

But now that you mention it, they can't seem to break 4 megabits in this system, and my DSL is 50% faster than that, with twice their 384 kbps upload. So I laugh every time I see those commercials.
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Re: Gives False Hope of a Faster Connection

How is it a scam? Does it only work on the speed tests?

No, you benefit from the higher speeds, so what's the problem?

I assume you are one of those who refer to the multi-product discount as a penalty correct?

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said by RadioDoc:

Comcast advertises almost exclusively on speed, so it is natural for them to try to rig the results of speed tests. This succeeds admirably at that, and you've got to give their marketing department credit for coming up with the perfect ad scam.
It is more than an ad scam. Powerboost actually gives value by providing a better browsing experience for the 90% of their users that aren't so-called "POWER Users". And an upload powerboost will help speed up the very occasional upload of pics and small videos that most of their customers do. Will it satisfy people who download tons of movies or who upload backups of their hard drive every day? Well no, but it will help the large majority of their customers.
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Re: Gives False Hope of a Faster Connection

It's a marketing gimmick. Those 90% that aren't "power users" don't even know what it is or what it does. Most don't even know what speed they're getting. Comcast could slow them to a relative trickle and they would not care.
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Re: Gives False Hope of a Faster Connection

It appears that my Comcast connection is trickling along at about 20,400/738k this evening.

All I can say is God help the phone company.

Your assertion that this is simply a "marketing gimmic" couldn't be further off the mark.

Many files that we all download on a regular basis fall within the limits that powerboost allows to see these kinds of speeds. Comcast was ingenious in devising this type of network which allows the majority of users to get on and off the network quickly when downloading files which fall within these limits. And, even for files which exceed that, it certainly gives users a very fast start.

And so, what happens after the 20,000k speeds disappear for me? I fall back to a "measly" 8000k instead.

Comcast is kicking A$$ and taking names..and it won't be long until they completely dominate the high speed world and DSL is just a distant memory.

Unfortunately, AT&T's only answer to date is their 7000 customer strong uverse service.
Which doesn't even deliver on 1/3rd these speeds.

What an absolute disaster in the making that is.

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said by Rick:

Your assertion that this is simply a "marketing gimmic" couldn't be further off the mark.
What part of marketing is it that people are having trouble with?

Ask yourself: What percentage of marketing is some form of contrivance that benefits (mostly) the marketer? I've never in my life seen such naivety. We're winning the war on terrorism, too, by the way, and NO is turning the corner on reconstruction. Of course you see a benefit, but nothing close to the benefit that Comcast receives for bragging rights on speed tests and also having their name listed on speed test sites at the top of the results listing.

If anyone on this forum actually believes that Comcast, or the vast majority of corporations, is giving you something above and beyond what you're already paying for because they simply value you sooo much, then there's a hard landing in your future.

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Re: Gives False Hope of a Faster Connection

I don't get your war on terrorism comparison to comcast.

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said by MysticGogeta:

I don't get your war on terrorism comparison to comcast.
That was a stretch, for sure I was pointing out how marketing perception is used by every enterprise, even our government. And if your government is spreading it thick with rosy slogans and dubious claims (and they work for corporations), what do you think corporate marketing is all about? -- that was my point, leap that it was ...

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Re: Gives False Hope of a Faster Connection

You know, the three of us that notice that should maybe get together or something....

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Re: Gives False Hope of a Faster Connection

We can try. The sheer volume of rose-colored opinions in this thread is depressing.

The marketing folks have certainly succeeded, without qualification. I never thought I'd see the day when armies of overpaying customers would rush to defend a huge Fortune 500 corporation. What's next, defenders of gas pricing?

Name the venue, Karl. I'll buy the first three rounds.
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said by RadioDoc:

It's a marketing gimmick.
No it is a technology which is surprisingly enjoyed by many of the technical users that have it and post positive feedback in this forum. Savy?

The ones that don't like it are either
• Users that believe they are entitled to unlimited bandwidth for free 7x24
• SBC, Verizon and other telco employees who compete against it

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Re: Gives False Hope of a Faster Connection

You forgot people who were brought up with a 'buyer beware' mindset. So many people today become brainwashed handpuppets of advertising far too easily, and actually believe the crap marketers pass off without question. The pharmaceutical industry is probably the worst of the bunch.

FWIW: I also distrust communications companies with a passion. If it passes ANY type of data it probably doesn't pass the smell test.

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said by caco:

said by MysticGogeta:

I think its a great idea but I would much rather have a uncapped service then a short "boost" in speed. This will just make people who do speeds tests happy.
We all know that Mr. Average Joe spends all their time doing speed test. Can you at least admit it will benefit majority of folks who uploads pictures or short videos? How much is Comcast charging again for this? Say it with me, FFFFFreeeeeeeeee!
The "Average Joe" so to speak when he sees this boost he will believe that there speed is higher then it actually is. Don't get me wrong I think Power Boost is a great idea but I see the "Average Joe" calling and complaining when they don't have the boost running 24/7
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said by MysticGogeta:

I think its a great idea but I would much rather have a uncapped service then a short "boost" in speed. This will just make people who do speeds tests happy.
power boost on download has really been a god send for me....if I am in a hurry I can download anything under 100MB's really quickly thanks to power boost....like yesterday 50MB video driver downloaded in 10-15 seconds....
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said by MysticGogeta:

I think its a great idea but I would much rather have a uncapped service then a short "boost" in speed. This will just make people who do speeds tests happy.
Comcast doesn't give a damn about gamers or other more knowledgeable people who know that you can do more with the Internet than e-mail.

A little boost in upload for a picture and such is great. When it comes down to gaming or uploading though, a short boost doesn't do much.
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c0de8

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HSI for business affected?

I am a Comcast Business subscriber, and would be intrested to know how this will affect the Comcast Business HSI.

Currently I have a steady Upstream of 1mbit but would love to have more, they just dont offer it. But now with residential customers getting this boost perhaps they will offer a higher teir for thier business customers?

if anyone knows anything about this or knows of a good thread, please let me know.

jasqid
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What about me?

So when does everyone else get it?
Does someone have a roadmap for the rest of us? (Market Launch List?)

DaBears57

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Re: What about me?

I really wish it was more than 5MB for us 6Mb users. How about 1 GB
kd6cae
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what about us true power users?

An earlier poster posed the question of
"Will powerboost satisfy people who download tons of movies or who upload backups of their hard drive every day?"
My question is why not have a tier of service for those users who may in fact fall in to that category? If I want to upload 1.5GB of backups to an off site location, why shouldn't I be able to do that at a decent speed like say 1.5mbit or 2mbit upstream, permanently? Though I'm not on Comcast, I am on Charter and they provide me a consistently solid 1mbit upstream, and other cable providers, especially where FIOS exists, offer as much as 2mbits upstream, and end users on those systems are using much the same equipment I'm using here or that comcast users are using on their connections. My point is, why not offer a tier of service for everyone from the light user who merely wants to not tie up their phone line all the way up to the heavy user who wants or needs to do tons of uploading/downloading. Any speed tier offered should be permanent, not half assed bursty like what comcast users are getting. I surely don't mind having better upload, but for god sake, make it permanent. Charge a little more for it if need be, but to make it bursty and that's it? Not what I would do that's for sure. I'm glad my connection speeds are permanent, and I pay acordingly for the tier I have, makes sense doesn't it?

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Re: what about us true power users?

Yes I am happy about this too. I have comcast in Detroit I hope they will hit Detroit too.