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texans20
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clubs: | Greedy business... Just killed Shoutcast. I've been buying my stuff using stores the legal way, but I think I'm just about to start downloading music. If they can be greedy, so can I. | |
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LiamJunket
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| Re: Greedy business... said by Subaru  :I use to listen to shoutcast about 80 hours of a week.. but hardly any now that I have XM and I listen to it at home and in the car. I have Sirius for the car and use them on the internet when not playing my own CD music loaded on the PC.
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Siryak
join:2005-11-26 | Re: Greedy business... *sigh* more RIAA bullshit. Can't wait to see the day they fall.
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| Sirius makes being stuck in traffic bearable. As for traffic reports in cities where Sirius doesn't cover it, it doesn't matter. All the local stations say is that traffic is a mess, which I already know if I am moving at 2 MPH.
What the RIAA doesn't understand is that if they prevent people from listening to music by killing things like Internet radio, people won't buy music. How is one supposed to find out about new music they might want to buy if they never get to hear it? The 30 second previews on iTunes don't tell you much, either (especially if it is an unfamiliar artist).
There is so much music that can't be heard on local radio stations. Satellite and Internet radio are the best places to hear it.
I know that most of the music I have bought has been as a direct result of something I heard on regular radio, Sirius, or Internet radio.
Of course, if the RIAA succeeds in preventing people from listening to music, they will blame the resulting drop in sales on piracy and just screw things up even more.
I hope that the artists, especially the new ones, can break away from the greedy record labels and RIAA. They are going to get hurt in all of this. | |
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arggh112
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| Darn...i listen to Internet radio on my Treo 700w cell phone via Verizon EVDO...plug it into my car stereo or listen on the go. I've gots my phone(mp3, Internet radio player, camera, video camera, video player) everywhere I go.
Satellite radio doesnt make sense to me. The RIAA can kill Internet radio here but I listen to a lot of out of the states Internet stations.
RIAA=stupid. Kill a business before it truly gets off the ground all for the sake of control and in turn shooting themselves in the foot. | |
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| Re: Greedy business... None of it goes to the artists except in precious few "superstar" situations where the artist managed to write their own contract terms. The vast majority goes directly to the "big five" record companies.
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Mullica Hill, NJ | thank god EVE-Radio is outside the US where the RIAA cant get them. but i wonder how will the RIAA get all the personally run shoutcast stations who dont make any money.
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Speedy8
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clubs: | Re: Greedy business... The same way they get all the people sharing MP3s, they won't. | |
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| said by texans20 :Just killed Shoutcast. I've been buying my stuff using stores the legal way, but I think I'm just about to start downloading music. If they can be greedy, so can I. I am taking the opposite approach. The more they try to stick it to the little guy, the more I pirate. I can't stand RIAA. I honestly see the RIAA hurting themselves. Consider that most radio stations use automated DJing software to determine the next song they rotate, we'll never hear what we want to on the radio. They make it where you only get to hear 3 out of 21 tracks, and they play them so much you can't enjoy them by the time you decide to get the album. Back in the day, you'd have a ton of variety, and more than 3 songs played by one artist. You knew what the album sounded like before you bought it, and it didn't suck. Now, you have 2 good songs, and 15 pieces of crap, followed by 4 interludes of talking/skits. JUNK!!!
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| RayW
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| This happened once before Back in the late 80's the RIAA put the screws to Square and Round dance callers in this same way. After all, the callers were making money off of records they had already paid for. Only problem was, most callers did not make much money, and most of that went to new records or equipment. It was more a labor of love for most of them and akin to most people going jogging after work.
After finding out that forcing the callers to pay more for one night than most clubs TOOK IN for a year was a bit like killing the goose that laid the golden eggs, they ended up taking a yearly fee from the umbrella association that many of the callers paid dues to.
Another example of greed without thinking.
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| It's all about control They don't care that much about the money, they just want the control. They want to control WHAT you listen to, WHEN you listen to it, HOW you listen to it. They want to make brittney spears a star, and the only way they can do that is force their radio playlists. They control the artists, they control what's popular. I myself, don't listen to almost ANY artist past 1990. There are a few I like, but for the most part, ever since rap came out, I've tuned out.
Well, they don't control ME. I don't buy their CD's, I download what I like. I don't listen to the radio, I have an mp3 car adapter. I don't read the gossip columns, I really don't care about paris hilton. I am the antithesis of everything they stand for, and they get ZERO money from me.
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Davie, FL | Re: It's all about control Here we go again. | |
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| said by karlmarx :They don't care that much about the money, they just want the control. They want to control WHAT you listen to, WHEN you listen to it, HOW you listen to it. They want to make brittney spears a star, and the only way they can do that is force their radio playlists. They control the artists, they control what's popular. I myself, don't listen to almost ANY artist past 1990. There are a few I like, but for the most part, ever since rap came out, I've tuned out. Well, they don't control ME. I don't buy their CD's, I download what I like. I don't listen to the radio, I have an mp3 car adapter. I don't read the gossip columns, I really don't care about paris hilton. I am the antithesis of everything they stand for, and they get ZERO money from me. Ditto here!!
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| this time the OP isnt Tinfoil hatting, think about broadcast radio. the RIAA member companies spend tons of money promoting new stuff to radio companies such as Clearchannel, this Payola is why even if a local band is better then Warner Music's flavor of the month you wont hear them on the local rock station.
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| Stiffling innovation Sounds like they are trying to stifle innovation here. Whether they mean to or not this will directly stifle innovation and competition. I do think it is right for the people who make the content to be paid but I think that there should be a happy median.
Will the riaa start shutting down internet radio sites like they do napster and the like? Maybe this is to get more customers in their speedy checkout line at »p2plawsuits.com . Maybe they realize now it is all about the customer, so they are just trying to get more customers on their website, right? Tongue and cheek of course but think about it.
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1 edit | Oh well. I submitted a much more detailed story a several hours ago with citations directly from those affected, not "radio ink", a broadcast trade rag.
He're's what it said:
said by me three hours ago :
RIAA-lobbied Copyright Royalty Board effectively increases Webcasting royalties 1,000%, threatens to bankrupt independent Internet Radio Operators.
From Kurt Hanson's Radio And Internet Newsletter (RAIN) comes news that the Library of Congress' Copyright Royalty Board, which sets the rates that Internet broadcasters pay for the rights to play music on the Internet, has retroactively set a new rate schedule for 2006 which amounts to 125% or more of even the best-run webcaster's monthly income.
Radio Paradise's Bill Goldsmith, who is staring at an increase from $5,000 to over $50,000 a month, reacts:
"Maybe I'm just a hopeless optimist, but I find it hard to believe that a decision as thunderingly misguided as this one will stand. This royalty structure would wipe out an entire class of businesses: small independent webcasters such as myself and my wife, who operate Radio Paradise.
Our obligation under this rate structure would be equal to over 125% of our total income. There is no practical way for us to increase our income so dramatically as to render that affordable.
What makes our operation so different from satellite services like XM & Sirius, who pay royalties based on a percentage of their revenue (as we have been doing up to this point)? Sadly, the only thing I can think of that sets us apart is they can afford squadrons of attorneys to defend themselves against the predatory attacks of the major music conglomerates, and we cannot.
That's a truly sad — and deeply un-American — state of affairs. I can only hope that the copyright board recognizes their error in time for the business that I have devoted 7 years of love, sweat, time, and energy building up is torn to pieces by the wolves of the music industry. " Outfits like Live365 and AOL's Shoutcast are also affected. Some quick math comes up with a monthly Shoutcast tribute to the RIAA's SoundExchange coffer of around $1.65 million, or about $20 million for 2006.
Now is probably a good time to contact your favorite webcaster and give them a little encouragement. They're going to need every bit they can get. Even the smallest hobby operation is on the hook for $500 a year or more.
This happened five years ago as well (go look for discussion here in 2002) and it set up the pay-per-slot-per-song system, which the RIAA then used to bargain individual percentage-of-income deals with webcasters. Let's hope that happens again this time.
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| Re: Oh well. I"m glad they got a quote from Radio Paradise. I listen to them 90% of the time and 90% of their mix are songs you WON'T hear on the radio.
I enjoyed them because they are a free service, no advertising and play damn good music.
I do have XM in my car and I can tell that they are paid off by the industry as well to play specific songs. I mean, is it really necessary to play Bon Jovi or Sheryl Crow on 3 channels at the same time?
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LiamJunket
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| Rates don't look that bad These web sites get ad revenue and if they can't cover their costs, a shakeout is the usual result. Does the internet NEED 1000 different internet music streaming operations when a dozen will do?
2007 - $.0011 per performance
2008 - $.0014 per performance
2009 - $.0018 per performance
2010 - $.0019 per performance
Oxenford explains that the 2007 rate essentially translates to one-tenth of a penny per song per listener. Extrapolating from there, a webcaster will have to pay one penny for every ten listeners who hear a single song.
For noncommercial webcasters, the fee will be $500 per channel, for up to 159,140 Aggregate Tuning Hours (one listener listening for an hour) per month. Noncommercial webcasters who exceed that level must pay the commercial rate for all listening in excess of that limit.
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| Re: Rates don't look that bad said by LiamJunket :These web sites get ad revenue and if they can't cover their costs, a shakeout is the usual result. Does the internet NEED 1000 different internet music streaming operations when a dozen will do? 2007 - $.0011 per performance
2008 - $.0014 per performance
2009 - $.0018 per performance
2010 - $.0019 per performance
Oxenford explains that the 2007 rate essentially translates to one-tenth of a penny per song per listener. Extrapolating from there, a webcaster will have to pay one penny for every ten listeners who hear a single song.
For noncommercial webcasters, the fee will be $500 per channel, for up to 159,140 Aggregate Tuning Hours (one listener listening for an hour) per month. Noncommercial webcasters who exceed that level must pay the commercial rate for all listening in excess of that limit. not all have ad revenue
an internet radio i used to DJ for we could barely pay our bandwidth bills with what little we got from ads and donations
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| Re: Rates don't look that bad said by shane349 :do you need a 1000 different channels on your tv when a dozen will do? i think not! otherwise we would all have VHF tv's still with no digital cable, satellite, HDTV.. all of those things. and i bet you that every internet radio station has something unique about it, not one the same. they may play the same genre, but i have yet to find a rock station that i like more than chronix radio. before you know it, the RIAA will charge royalties to play mp3's in your car and your pc! they tryed that a few years back and got shot down pretty fast
there line was the radio in the car is for the driver only and that any one else listing had to pay a fee | |
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| said by LiamJunket :These web sites get ad revenue and if they can't cover their costs, a shakeout is the usual result. Does the internet NEED 1000 different internet music streaming operations when a dozen will do? 2007 - $.0011 per performance
2008 - $.0014 per performance
2009 - $.0018 per performance
2010 - $.0019 per performance
Oxenford explains that the 2007 rate essentially translates to one-tenth of a penny per song per listener. Extrapolating from there, a webcaster will have to pay one penny for every ten listeners who hear a single song.
For noncommercial webcasters, the fee will be $500 per channel, for up to 159,140 Aggregate Tuning Hours (one listener listening for an hour) per month. Noncommercial webcasters who exceed that level must pay the commercial rate for all listening in excess of that limit. You can say the same for traditional OTA radio...except the dozen stations that are left are all playing the same 40 crappy songs. You need 1000 different stations to cover the variety of music and bands available. You get them down to 10 and they'll be playing talentless crap American Idol garbage.
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NOCMan
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| 1000 becomes a dozen, a few mergers later and you have 2 who both lock everyone down to the latest service pack of Windows Vista and locks everyone out by using thier own proprietary hardware and codecs both of which suck.
So much for freedom of choice when it comes to radio. | |
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| Do the math. A popular stream with, say, 5,000 listeners during the day would pay:
Using 2006 (which they are already on the hook for), 0.08 cents per song per listening connection, or $4.00 per play.
At 15 songs per hour, that's $60 per hour.
Let's say that they only have that many listeners for half of the day and the overnight is minimal:
$60 x 12 hours = $720 per day.
$720 x 30 days = $21,600 per month
$21,600 x 12 months = $259,200 per year.
That's only the performance royalty at last year's rate. The author's royalty is already taking ~3.5% of the station's revenue via ASCAP, BMI etc.
This does not include bandwidth or any other costs of running the station, let alone any income for those running it. These rates have no basis in reality. A percentage of income formula, which is what the satellite radio companies are assessed by makes much more sense, and is what the Internet radio industry was using based on negotiations with the RIAA five years ago when this came up the last time.
Nobody not in on the take can defend this. Nobody. Expecting a business which may be bringing in around $100K a year to pay 2.5 times that to play music is utter insanity.
If the money were actually going to the artists it may have some merit but I guarantee you that the vast majority of those who are played on Internet radio never see a cent of any RIAA-administered royalty. They barely see any from ASCAP and BMI.
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1 edit | said by LiamJunket :These web sites get ad revenue and if they can't cover their costs, a shakeout is the usual result. Does the internet NEED 1000 different internet music streaming operations when a dozen will do? A dozen ? Yeah, so that those 12 stations will all be playing the same rotation of songs like a Clear Channel station. The reason there are 1000s of station around is because traditional radio left a huge void in the coverage of dozens of styles and genres. Perhaps you should take some time and listen to a few of those 1000s of stations so you might actual know what you are talking about.
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LiamJunket
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| Re: Rates don't look that bad said by bmn :Perhaps you should take some time and listen to a few of those 1000s of stations so you might actual know what you are talking about. I have and I can get all the variety I need on the Sirius channels.
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| Re: Rates don't look that bad said by LiamJunket :said by bmn :Perhaps you should take some time and listen to a few of those 1000s of stations so you might actual know what you are talking about. I have and I can get all the variety I need on the Sirius channels. Until the RIAA charges them enough to bankrupt them.  | |
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1 edit | Re: Rates don't look that bad Sirius/XM has enough money to hire enough lawyers to work out the sweetheart deal they have, which is a percentage of revenue. That is believed to be around 8%, which is less than what the Internet broadcasters were paying. Nobody knows for sure, because it's a secret. The RIAA and XM/Sirius are in cahoots here.
Webcasters, on the other hand, are expected to pay per "performance", even if it is more than 100% of their total revenue.
Where's the fairness in that?
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| Re: Rates don't look that bad It all goes to the same tactic that the RIAA uses in their piracy settlements, "Go after those that can't fight back."
Sirius and XM have been fighting the RIAA over some of their players and I am sure they told the RIAA that they might not want to open that can of worms. Payola is still a bg problem and the RIAA still gives lip service to correcting it.
The webcasters, unfortunately, don't have the money to fight this fight. | |
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| Re: Rates don't look that bad said by LiamJunket :I have and I can get all the variety I need on the Sirius channels. The marketplace of music is much larger than just you LiamJunket . While Sirius has a load of excellent programming, I subscribe myself, their lineup still lacks some major genres and styles.
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00000 | Does the internet NEED 1000 different internet music streaming operations when a dozen will do?
Yes, Mr. RIAA Fanboy. | |
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Gulliver, MI | There is no end......... to record industry greed is there? | |
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1 edit | They're stupid These record dopes bribe radio stations to get airplay of their crappy artists yet will kill internet radio, the only ones willing to play anything that's not top 40.
Beyond stupid. Internet radio is free advertising so people can go buy the music. Internet radio is where I first heard bands like The Fratellis (before Apple made them popular) and Zolof The Rock and Roll Destroyer...who the F else is going to play them? Easy answer? NO ONE.
If it's not talentless American Idol bubble gum garbage no traditional radio station will touch them.
These RIAA asswipes should be teaching classes on how not to run a successful business because they take every step possible to make sure no one hears the music they're trying to sell.
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| Re: They're stupid agreed... radio (regular and web) is essentially advertising for the artists...
If it's not played how the hell are we supposed to know what's available?
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Evansville, IN | The new "Mob" I thought racketeering was illegal.
Ladies and gentlemen I give you.... the RIAA. | |
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1 edit | Re: The new "Mob" Heh...someone on another message board put it this way:
In walked two guys with RIAA buttons on their lapels. One said: "Nice little Internet radio station you have here. It would be a shame if something bad happened to it." The second guy leans over and frowns at the owner.
Racketeering is legal when you "persuade" enough congresscritters to make it legal for you. It works for credit card companies and it works for the RIAA.
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"You have got to be kidding me???"
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1 edit | Pirate Radio Could this spell the end to Internet radio as we know it?
If it does I think you'll see a revival of pirate radio on the Internet. People have done it for years on the wireless AM, FM, and shortwave bands to flout FCC rules. | |
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Michieru2
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| Music Industry The music industry is shattering apart rapidly now it's time for artists to jump ship and go with a independent label or do it by themselves.
I will enjoy watching the destruction of the giant record labels and watch the life of music come back once again with thousands of labels across the country world doing there own thing.
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2 edits | It's comming It is coming. Slower then we wish for, but the death of RIAA is coming. People are (slowly) getting real sick of their antics, and DRM s**t.
Their time will come.
I love music. But not enough to have to buy 20 differnt DRM items to listen to music. On my computer, IPod, Nomad, CD player, ect......
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| Re: Foreign Shoutcast Servers Overseas... well, there's Canada and Mexico!
But for those webradios with advertising revenues, the RIAA only have to verify the address where the cheque is being sent to... They probably won't be able to shut down your out-of-US shoutcast server, but they'll know where to shut down the source and make you pay.
About the new RIAA scheme, if your US-based station plays, example, "Japanese Pop" or songs where the artists/labels are definately not american, can you be exempt from paying royaltees for these songs? After all, those artists will NEVER see a dime from the RIAA. | |
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| Re: Foreign Shoutcast Servers said by En Enfer :Overseas... well, there's Canada and Mexico! But for those webradios with advertising revenues, the RIAA only have to verify the address where the cheque is being sent to... They probably won't be able to shut down your out-of-US shoutcast server, but they'll know where to shut down the source and make you pay. About the new RIAA scheme, if your US-based station plays, example, "Japanese Pop" or songs where the artists/labels are definately not american, can you be exempt from paying royaltees for these songs? After all, those artists will NEVER see a dime from the RIAA. Yes, of course. If there are indie or they are foreign, you don't need to pay a dime.
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HappyBunny
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| Bring back Pirate Radio! The RIAA cannot stand that people have deserted traditional radio in droves. In Los Angeles, there is not one station worth listening to (thanks to ClearChannel). Most of it is now Spanish-language or rap, and since I dont speak Spanish or kick it wit my homies, I am not one to listen to either. They have to be losing gobs of money from traditional radio's impending collapse--if no one is listening, the RIAA isnt selling CDs or charging large royalties. So they are following the music lovers to the internet, which as someone pointed out, has caused them to lose control over what we listen to. This will put the little stations out of business, but the larger ones (VirginRadio for example) will sail on as if nothing happened.
I am sick of the RIAA. I am sick of their bullying tactics and trying to dictate what music I will listen to. I *love* music. They do not. They love money. Therefore, we will never agree. | |
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HappyBunny
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Edmonton, AB | Move the server. When one doesn't like the laws of the country ones in. Move the server to a country with more favorable laws. That's why the internet is so great. | |
| rid0617
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| What a shame And to think I am so old that I remember when the record companies used to pay the radio stations to play their garbage. Lost track of how many times a producer would tell me to spin a certain disk that had been played over and over. Us DJs knew what was going on but didn't dare say a word because it was radio station revenue. | |
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| one word that can screw up that entire pricing model... ...multicast.
If a stream is multicasted, the station has little visibility into the number of people who have joined the multicast group (i.e. are listening to the audio stream). It's the same as a traditional broadcast radio station not knowing exactly how many listeners are tuned in at every moment. Yes, they work off of educated guesses, but they don't have an exact number. | |
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