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Picks 180Connect for $41 million long-delayed build...
(old news - 11:58AM Thursday Mar 08 2007)
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The city of Palo Alto, California, was one of the very first cities to explore building their own broadband network. In fact, they laid dark fiber infrastructure as early as 1996 and used a limited portion of that network to conduct fiber trials. After many years of discussion, they temporarily put expansion plans on hold back in 2004 (see more details). The city received just two serious responses to a recent RFP after more than 100 companies expressed initial interest. On Monday, the city voted 5-1 to pursue a FTTH build with one of those companies, 180Connect, who'll shoulder the majority of the $41 million build price.

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ftthz
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moving forward is always a good sign

The more FTTH the better

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I met with one of them

...and they seemed to be involved in a pissing contest -- no Kum-ba-ya solidarity there. Dr. Phil needs to help Palo Alto -- or it'll be another 10 years.

EDIT: I sure hope 180Connect gets a detailed agreement with Palo Alto. Control freaks might be an understatement -- from what I saw. P.A. will likely expect to maintain complete control of prices, rollouts and features -- of a privately financed company! No way in hell I'd do business with P.A. without some very tight contracts.
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Re: I met with one of them

After reading the news item, this doesn't look real promising or like it will move forward quickly. The only viable bidder is in poor financial shape; has 2 lawsuits against it; and the city dept that would have to manage the process thinks it is a waste of time. Fiber in Palo Alto sometime after 2010 ???
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The thrill is gone

FTTH/FTTP seemed urgent in the days of 1-3mbs broadband. Our imaginations were much bigger than the "pipe".

Verizon's FiOS rollout has erased the sexy-ness of FTTP. FiOS as currently implemented is really just a "better" cable network -- with vast untapped potential. Only when popular new features and services are introduced will FTTP become urgent once again.

Palo Alto should notice how few vendors want to do business with them -- and why?
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Re: The thrill is gone

said by ronpin See Profile :

FTTH/FTTP seemed urgent in the days of 1-3mbs broadband. Our imaginations were much bigger than the "pipe".

Verizon's FiOS rollout has erased the sexy-ness of FTTP. FiOS as currently implemented is really just a "better" cable network -- with vast untapped potential. Only when popular new features and services are introduced will FTTP become urgent once again.

Palo Alto should notice how few vendors want to do business with them -- and why?
FIOS *could* be nice if they weren't sooooooo stingy with the upload oh yeah, and dump that PPPoE crap.
PPP was ok for telephone modems but c'mon that was 20 years ago!
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Interestingly enough, Dynamic City, the company behind the UTOPIA project in Utah, made an offer to build the network on the city's dime so they could retain bother ownership and control. They refused it because they didn't want to front the money.

So... basically, they want to have a network they control without spending any money. I'm surprised any company would accept that offer. As much as I like muni fiber, I'm wondering what Palo Alto thinks they're doing.

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Its moving slowly because the city is mainly resided by old people where these fibre lines are at. Its up the road from Standford college in the same city.

The city council is probably filled with these old people too. They were probably sucked in buying these lines

Elder abuse is a rising crime.

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As far as I know it is also home for HP in addition to Stanford. The city does not seem like poor one. It probably gets a lot in local taxes.

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said by ninjatutle See Profile :

Its moving slowly because the city is mainly resided by old people where these fibre lines are at. Its up the road from Standford college in the same city.

The city council is probably filled with these old people too. They were probably sucked in buying these lines

Elder abuse is a rising crime.


»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palo_Alto,_California

The median income for a household in the city was $90,377, and the median income for a family was $117,574.

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Re: Walking canes

I never said the city was poor. Its one of the richest town's in the bayarea. I just mentioned old people. They're old people that are rich.
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City Co-Ops

Cities that wish to do something like this that can't foot the bill should form a Co-Op with other cities and role out that way. Larger buying power which brings the prices down.
Which would of course allow for a faster role out. especially if they wholesaled their networks out to Indie ISPs, CaTV, and VoIP providers the network would reach nationwide rather fast.
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Why do cities DIG to put in fiber

Why ? Anyone know?

Why not poles like the telcos ?

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Re: Why do cities DIG to put in fiber

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Why ? Anyone know?

Why not poles like the telcos ?
P.A. does use aerial fiber in the original trial area. New subdivisions (less than 20 years old) seem to universally bury all wires. FiOS uses aerial when possible.
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said by Eric Martin See Profile :

Why ? Anyone know?

Why not poles like the telcos ?
My guess is it has something to do with "Pole fees"
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Re: Why do cities DIG to put in fiber

Especially when the poles are owned by the Telco.

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Re: Why do cities DIG to put in fiber

The majority of poles are owned by Power Co not Telcos, if a pole has power lines on it, it belongs to Power Co and other utilities like Cable, Telcos pay them a fee. If your utilities are already underground then it stays underground, if aerial then fiber is installed same way, simple. The only reason you have to dig is that when a lot of these homes were built there was no requirement for the builders for underground conduits and the wires were directly buried in the ground. In the newer subdivisions with conduits if you're replacing the old copper service wire with a fiber one it will take you maybe TEN MINUTES. Boring can take hours and contractors are paid by telcos, cable companies for this. A utility will sometimes spend over a thousand dollars just to get you service, I don't know how they plan on making a return on this investment
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Re: Why do cities DIG to put in fiber

In this area its more Telco than power. The only way to know their power is the Power company has them tagged other wise they're phone.
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