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Holyshnikes
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| Re: This is B.S said by tpac_man  :What a great way to waste my hard earned money.... and best of all... I don't even qualify to receive the coupons... I hate this crap that the Government is doing. Bastards! Take from Group A give to Group B, your Democrats hard at work.
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| "Take from Group A give to Group B, your Democrats hard at work",
Except for the fact that Republicans had been in power during the time these rules were set, even presided over the cable deregulation bill in the mid 90s that raised rates for everyone. Previously you didn't have to pay for the local, over the air channels, but thanks to the REPUBLICANS who were in office, now you do! Neat eh?
Imagine what would happen if congress decided to switch over to a new breed of car fuel. Anyone who has an older petrol based engine would have to spend 100$ to upgrade to handle the new fuel, no doubt angering tens of millions, having a rebate cushions that blow, but it would still piss people off. | |
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Boxes are expected to cost between $50 and $70 apiece.
That's to much money and I don't even care if they are handing out coupon's. The price for these boxes should be $20.00 or less if they are forcing this on to people. | |
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| said by elister :Imagine what would happen if congress decided to switch over to a new breed of car fuel. Anyone who has an older petrol based engine would have to spend 100$ to upgrade to handle the new fuel, no doubt angering tens of millions, having a rebate cushions that blow, but it would still piss people off. They've already pulled this fuel replacement stunt and, if you were using the old fuel, it required you to buy a new car to use the new fuel. Unless you are real young and were not alive (or at least driving) when it happened you should be able to remember LEADED Gasoline and its being banned to force you to switch to the new UNLEADED fuel as well as replace your LEADED fuel using car with one that used UNLEADED fuel. | |
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Don't just sit there silly DO something
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Go Colts
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| Re: This is B.S said by Old_Grouch :Ummm, didn't NASCAR recently run one of its first races with unleaded? And, gee - the cars went fast. Indy Car is using ethanol this year in it's races.
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| Re: This is B.S said by cdru :said by Old_Grouch :Ummm, didn't NASCAR recently run one of its first races with unleaded? And, gee - the cars went fast. Indy Car is using ethanol this year in it's races. Coulda sworn they've been using alcohol as fuel for longer than just this year (and they aren't the only ones). | |
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| Short of having 90% of the seats in both houses to account for moderates and bureaucratic restrictions, do you think that any given party with a majority in both houses is really in power, especially considering the fillibuster in the Senate and the 2/3 majority in both houses required to propose constitutional ammendments to the states? | |
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GOP FAIL
join:2003-12-06
usa
| said by Farley :Take from Group A give to Group B, your Democrats hard at work. Top Five Republican uses for this money
5. Buy a few extra bombs to drop on Iraq.
4. Pay for Halliburtons move to Dubai.
3. Send some more money to the Israli's.
2. Spruce up the prison golf course for Scooter Libby.
1. Reduce the budget defecit.....NOT...lol
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| said by Farley :said by tpac_man :What a great way to waste my hard earned money.... and best of all... I don't even qualify to receive the coupons... I hate this crap that the Government is doing. Bastards! Take from Group A give to Group B, your Democrats hard at work. And your Republibitches take from from Group B (The People) and give to Group A (Corporations). | |
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Midland, ON | Re: This is B.S uh they both do that. Yeah dems are sure just common men and women how many work a 9 to 5 job and go home to a normal sized house. Here is your answer none.
Money wise dems and reps are teh same. | |
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Rockford, IL | Hmmm, BOTH Parties. Party X sneaks it out of your pocket, Party Y hits ya over your head and then takes it. End result is the same. | |
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| said by Farley :said by tpac_man :What a great way to waste my hard earned money.... and best of all... I don't even qualify to receive the coupons... I hate this crap that the Government is doing. Bastards! Take from Group A give to Group B, your Democrats hard at work. Get a fucking grip. How about take all from group "American Middle Class" and give it to Israel, Iraq, Haliberton and big OIL" This bull shit should be funded by tax money. After all the freed MHZ are to be sold to more horse shit media companies and others digital whores.
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Fort Lauderdale, FL | This bill was sponsored by REPUBLICANS years ago. Democrats cut this by 20% and applied a 2 cap limit and other restrictions. | |
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| Re: This is B.S said by Toguro :This money is coming from the auction of the analog spectrum. Yeah, but the spectrum is considered a public asset, and is being sold into private ownership. That's not necessarily bad in itself, but the money could have been spent on something more useful, like deficeit reduction....
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My views are my own.
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| I've said it before and I will continue to say it..
"GET OFF THE CROSS!" you selfish &*$&#Q(*
"YOUR hard earned money? I suppose that your few dollars, to which you've benefited from over and over and over again gives you authority to claim it's "your money"...
Do you EVER read? This money is coming from the sale of the spectrum ...
We talk about being the greatest nation on the planet. Some people often compare this country against crap holes like China because of their incredible broadband - yet they slam them for their treatment of their people.
Do you not give a crap about your fellow person who may not have the life you do? Do you not care that some people live in crime ridden areas simply because they can't afford anything better? How about those that literally scape to eat.. their TV is the only form of a hint of entertainment and you want to remove deny them of that?
You disgust me!
You live in America.. we're better than that! Now ask yourself.. how much of that $40 is supposedly yours to begin with.
If you don't qualify to receive the coupon - then stop your complaining.. you're doing just fine with out it. Next I bet you will bitch that people who really need it actually get medical treatment on "your hard earned money".. I mean, HOW DARE we take care of those who are not as fortunate.
It's called compassion and it's called America. Act like you live in it.
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Midland, ON | Re: This is B.S You don't need TV to live so no they can't have the $40. Programs like this reward people for failing.
Yep I can get cable being as I work hard for my money they can do the same the end. | |
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| Re: This is B.S No, I don't need TV to live, but I certainly don't like being FORCED to upgrade my perfectly good set because some yabo has decided that OTA will no longer be analog.
$40 whole dollars doesn't go very far in this.......
P.S. I don't have cable tv. I only have it for my computer. It's not a NECESSITY for me to have cable TV, I'd rather spend MY hard earned dollars elsewhere thank you very much
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| I agree with TopDawg on this one; comparing TV and medical services is quite a stretch. As for TV being the only way these folks can entertain themselves, well, I just have to thank God I was born after 1947 when entertainment was invented. The previous 40,000 years or so of human history must have been terribly boring with absolutely nothing fun to do... | |
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| Re: This is B.S said by Desdinova :I agree with TopDawg on this one; comparing TV and medical services is quite a stretch. As for TV being the only way these folks can entertain themselves, well, I just have to thank God I was born after 1947 when entertainment was invented. The previous 40,000 years or so of human history must have been terribly boring with absolutely nothing fun to do... There is war, spreading Christianity, trying to attract aliens, executing leaders, doing crime, more sex, getting entertainment from nature, drinking, going to "church" (socializing). | |
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Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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| You have to forgive FiberGuy... If you read the threads you'll notice his favorite habit is to go off like a rocket with false moral outrage and he will then flame you from his high position of "Superior Morality".
Do you not care that some people live in crime ridden areas simply because they can't afford anything better? How about those that literally scape to eat.. their TV is the only form of a hint of entertainment and you want to remove deny them of that? Puh-lease. Only form of entertainment? I spent several years living in a home without a TV. Guess what I found plenty of things to do like READING BOOKS for one. Man I loved the Library....
Come down off your high horse. This "give-away" is a giant waste of money.
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My views are my own.
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| Re: This is B.S EVERY - ONE - OWNS - THE - AIR - WAVES!
EVERYONE gets the benefit from the profit in this case. The government invalidated everyone's TV over night.
So, "PUH-LEASE" why don't YOU come down off that cross. GIVE AWAY? HAH! Go back to your master and put your leash back on.
Don't compare YOUR desires in life to others.. it doesn't work... not in this country. If that was the case, we'd all praise Jesus, marry once, and slavery would most likely still be legal. So what if you lived with out a TV. Two issues here remain,.. everyone is getting the voucher. As legal owners of the waves, who all have paid for (based on the way our society sees it to be fair) everyone gets the voucher.
On the flip side, alot of tax payers who may never had had a phone line are getting a refund for the phone tax. Some of those people never paid it.. poor people, using your hatred rant, DID pay it but if they didn't pay taxes because they are too poor, they don't get the refund, right? Here is an example where some people got the refund who never paid if while others that did, don't.
The feds are giving EVERYONE a voucher and that's insane to you? I fail to see your point.
And as for your uneducated review of my postings.. I go off on stupidity. There is plenty of it around here. I'm sorry I don't conform to the socialistic views that many here do.. those that feel entitled.. sorry that's not good enough for you. Don't EVER make the damn mistake to EVER apologize in my name butt-wipe.
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| Re: This is B.S said by fiberguy :EVERY - ONE - OWNS - THE - AIR - WAVES! Why are you telling me something I already said? Hello I already said it was the sale of the *Public* Spectrum. Public as in, everyone. Once sold however it will be privately owned.EVERYONE gets the benefit from the profit in this case. The government invalidated everyone's TV over night. Overnight? You mean as in the 10+ year phased in rollout of HDTV and phase-out of SD OTA? That kinda overnight? That's a really, really long night!
I'd have to disagree that everyone will benefit. If they'd just cut everyone a check or applied the money to the deficeit, then I'd agree with you that *everyone* benefited. But this "voucher" system to give certain people a discount to buy a special HDTV OTA downverter back to SD TV to make their older TV work really is just a big handout to which ever companies will be selling the boxes.
So I'll say it again. Yes, this is a GIVE-AWAY of the taxpayer's money derived from the sale of a public asset, and yes, I still think it's a WASTE.
Don't compare YOUR desires in life to others.. it doesn't work... not in this country.  Why do you keep taking your behavior and trying to apply it to me?
I go off on stupidity. There is plenty of it around here. I'm sorry I don't conform to the socialistic views that many here do.. those that feel entitled.. LOL Said by the one who is all for Government handouts to fund people's Television habits!! Nice...
BTW Reading your cheap insults is getting old. I'm getting tired of it on every thread. Keep it up and I'll just start reversing your own speech back on you... in this case that would mean pointing out that you are a "Stupid Uneducated Hating Butt-Wipe". Which actually sounds about right. Nothing like your own words to truly define who you are as a person, eh? | |
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Lafayette, LA | the article clearly states there are no income limits...so why would you say you don't qualify to receive the coupon... | |
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join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA | How do you not qualify? All American households qualify, and if you're not American, well, at least it's not your government wasting money. | |
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| OH yeah to people who say poor people should get them for free cause they got nothing else to do. Well maybe they can spend less time watching TV and more time looking for a job.
You can also go the the library and get a book on something to improve yourself for today's work force. Unless you need it to live people should never be given anything for free. Also they on;y get the items they need to live if they deserve it and earn it. | |
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My views are my own.
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| Re: Yes Hey TopDog.. I suppose that the poor people who also do pay taxes don't deserve to have some of their ownership back?
The money is coming from the sale of the spectrum. Since all tax payers own the spectrum, I suppose it's their's to have back in the first place. Would you rather big bad government have the money? or rebate it to all citizens?
However, I'd expect nothing less from a republican - and yes, that's an assumption because you're certainly talking like one.
Disclaimer: I am neither republican or democrat nor of the independent party, or green party.
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| Re: Yes No being a rep has noting to do with it. I think people should earn their way in life. I'm a nice guy people always need a helping hand I'm fine with it. Exp I do volunteer work at the local food bank in town here.
However TV is not something you need to live. If they're to poor to have a TV then them watching some retarded reality show is not going to improve their lives.
Also I live in Canada so this does not effect me. Also poor people don't pay taxes they would get it all the money back or even extra back that they never paid in.
The US is rewarding people for failing and not holding it's own people to a standard. People always tell the government stay out of my life but when they want something they're all government get in my life. | |
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My views are my own.
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| Re: Yes Poor people do pay taxes. Define poor!
Also, the public owns the airwaves here. If the government signs a law that forces all people to basically outdate their televisions in the sign of a pen, then some of the profits of the sales can certainly go back to the legal owners of those airwaves.
I fail to see your reasoning as to why poor people are freeloaders here.
You also FAILED to read that ALL AMERICANS get 2 $40 vouchers.. not just the poor.
And sometimes, the government has to get involved to help those that can't help themselves.
Get with it if you're going to bash people please.
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| So far, I see people complaining about price, but no one mentioned:
THIS IS AN ENTERTAINMENT PRODUCT
It isn't a neceity to live. If you want entertainment, pay for it. I think if the government wants to give out coupons, it is a bad idea to try and discount an entertainment product. Give that money to school systems, not help the people that don't want to afford cable buy something so they can sit home and watch more TV.
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clecssuck
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Birmingham, AL | Get out of my pockets Yet another waste of MY tax money | |
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leXicon5
Pelosi, SHUT YOUR Fing Pie Hole
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| Re: Get out of my pockets said by MadMANN :It's not YOUR money. This money came from the sale of the bandwidth. You paid not one red cent for it. Then the boxes should be free. Since the airwaves are owned by the public and only REGULATED by the FCC...that money should have been spent on the boxes and handed out.
And EVERYONE qualifies for the government cheese....there is no income cap...
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Broadband blackhole no more
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| No need EDIT: Oh Well, I already have HDTV via over the air so I don't give a rats pitute.
Could have sworn the headline said Cable, but I have the tendency to go blind for periods of time.
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| Re: No need Once again, this isn't for digital cable, this is for OVER THE AIR BROADCASTS.
These coupons apply to the set top boxes needed to pick up a digital over the air signal, and pipe it into your good old fashioned analog TV, like my lovely 27" CRT (or even a digital HDTV that doesn't have a digital tuner built into it).
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Tucson, AZ | How much are the boxes? i mean if its two $40 coupons per household... and whos the lucky schmuck who makes the boxes collecting all this money at the end of it all? | |
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@jpmorganchase.com | Yea Right! Go the hell They give us (2) $40 coupons when the device would cost 2 times more than that. Furthermore, if you subtract the sale tax, that would be less than $40. I would rather they reduce my income tax instead. | |
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More fiber than ATT can handle
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| DVRs/DVD players disqualified!? For example, consumers could not use the coupons toward devices that contain digital video-recording capabilities or DVD players.
And how many bottom feeders are there going to be that want to just provide a tuner box with no DVR features? This definitely eliminates TiVo and possibly even DVR tuner cards for your PC. Look out for a flood of cheap and crapy tuners. *ugh* Get ready... everybody will have to upgrade their firmware for these devices next when they mandate a change in the ATSC broadcasting standard. | |
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Technical Difficulties - Please Stand By
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clubs: | NOT cable TV It's to convert over the air Digital TV to work with older analog only sets.
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It's Not Polite To Stare.
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| Re: NOT cable TV said by UHF :You must meet certain income requirements to get the money. Ummmm.... then why did the article have this sentence?
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It's Not Polite To Stare.
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| Re: NOT cable TV said by UHF :All the articles I've seen in the trade journals say that there are income requirements that must be met. I believe the TV industry over CNet. Believe as you wish, but from my perspective, CNet appears to have gotten it right. I went to the NTIA website, where it clearly says "all U.S. households will be eligible to request up to two coupons" (»www.ntia.doc.gov/otiahome/dtv/dtvcoupon.html ). That seems pretty straightforward to me.
Seems there might have been a little advanced FUD going around in the TV industry trade journals about this program, since the final rules were only announced today. In which trade journals did all (or just one) of those articles appear? Can you perhaps provide an online link to one (or more) of the journal articles that directly contradicts the reference in the CNet story and the clear statement on the NTIA website? I'd be curious to see these articles for myself.
So far, I'm inclined to believe CNet and the Feds.
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Technical Difficulties - Please Stand By
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