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In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA
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join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL | Comcast to buy AOL.. ..I'm just kidding.. I hope.. | |
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brianiscool
join:2000-08-16
Miami, FL | Dead end Just give it a couple more years and AOL will just be a web portal and no longer an ISP. Comcast will continue to grow until they are stuck at their cap. | |
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Miami, FL | Re: Dead end Fix the clot! Fix the clot! CLEAR lol | |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| said by LiamJunket  :I knew AOL was losing subscribers quickly, but a 2 million drop in 1 qtr says AOL is bleeding so quickly that by this time next year they will be down to 3rd or 4th on the list. [att=1] » www.isp-planet.com/research/rank···006.html I can't beleive that 13 million people still overpay for AOL. Looking at that link I don't see NetZero on that list so they have less than 100,000 customers same with PeoplePC. They spend a lot on advertising for so few customers. | |
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1 edit | Re: Dead end According to their methodology blurb they didn't count BellSouth, either, since BS didn't report. It doesn't look like BS's numbers are in the SBC numbers. Hard to tell since they did not gather the information themselves and make a lot of assumptions about it.
NetZero = United Online, by the way.
Many of those AOL folks are probably using it for backup or on -the-road access and are double-counted with a broadband ISP which does not offer such dialup access as a perk (most cable ISPs, for instance).
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: Dead end said by RadioDoc :According to their methodology blurb they didn't count BellSouth, Wouldn't Bellsouth's numbers be counted as AT&Ts?
Many of those AOL folks are probably using it for backup or on -the-road access and are double-counted with a broadband ISP which does not offer such dialup access as a perk (most cable ISPs, for instance).
$25 a month for a back-up ISP? | |
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LiamJunket
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Ocean City, NJ
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| Re: Dead end said by BF69 :$25 a month for a back-up ISP? AOL does offer a limited hours $9.95/mo plan. My sister uses it.
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join:2001-02-11
Cedarburg, WI | Re: Dead end Why would people use a back up dial up at $9.95 with another ISP when with DSL (through AT&T at least) you get unlimited dial access? | |
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LiamJunket
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join:2002-03-03
Ocean City, NJ
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| Re: Dead end said by carpdiem :Why would people use a back up dial up at $9.95 with another ISP when with DSL (through AT&T at least) you get unlimited dial access? For my sister, that isn't a backup internet access. That is her primary access from home.
If she needs fast access, she uses the computers at the school where she teaches.
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Toledo, OH | Re: Dead end AOL offers an unlimited account as well. just limited Tech support. | |
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Karl Bode
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Wouldn't Bellsouth's numbers be counted as AT&Ts?
Not yet. Doc is right, they don't include BellSouth's yet. I assume it's something regulatory in nature until all the I's are dotted. I think with them, AT&T is the largest ISP. Not sure if they surpass AOL though. I think they might. | |
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LiamJunket
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Ocean City, NJ
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| said by RadioDoc :Many of those AOL folks are probably using it for backup or on -the-road access and are double-counted with a broadband ISP which does not offer such dialup access as a perk (most cable ISPs, for instance). Good point. There is another chart that tries to account for double counting because of AOL's BYOA and because some AOL users access the internet thru cable and telco providers.
We try not to count any subscriber twice. For example, a subscriber to EarthLink DSL may also be counted in Covad's DSL numbers and in the ILEC's DSL numbers as well. We therefore do not count EarthLink and Covad broadband towards our total. We assume that 20 percent of AOL's subscriber base obtains access through another ISP, either as BYOA, or in a more traditional broadband arrangement. As AOL and Road Runner work together more and more, we expect the subscriber bases to overlap more than they do today, and hope that AOL, which is very good about disclosure, will reveal the extent of the subscriber overlap. This leaves us with the following unique subscriber numbers: 
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58ef2c0
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1 edit | Re: Dead end Yeah, I saw that chart. Made me suspicious with Earthlink showing zero subs. Methinks they have more than 100,000 direct accounts.
They've also used the Q3 SBC number there instead of their Q4, and something is wrong with the Embarq number, too. The whole thing seems kind of sloppy.
BS's three million plus subscriber base is not counted here since they did not report, says so right there on the page. If you add those to SBC's they're neck-and-neck with Comcast.
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Barsoom
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Reno, NV
| Re: Dead end They didn't/couldn't count the AT&T Worldnet accounts, either dial up or DSL, in the SBC totals. SBC only reports their broadband totals. I suspect that there are at least 100 to 300K Worldnet subscribers after deducting the BYOA accounts.
Bellsouth had 3.6M DSL lines at the end of '06 according to the AT&T Q4 conference call. | |
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join:2001-04-20 | I believe the Embarq numbers are correct. | |
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roamer1
sticking it out at you
join:2001-03-24
Atlanta, GA
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| said by RadioDoc :NetZero = United Online, by the way. and PeoplePC = Earthlink
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@comcast.net | They have alot of free customers also... I wonder what those numbers are, its probably a pretty large number. | |
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Jason Levine
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join:2001-07-13
Albany, NY
| And if you look at where they were in Q4 2005, you'll see that they've lost almost 6.3 million subscribers in the past year. In that time, Comcast added 2 million.
Back in May of last year, I made a prediction that in 3 years AOL would no longer be the biggest ISP anymore. I would like to revise that prediction. I think AOL will fall from the #1 spot by Q2 of this year. Q3 at the latest. (There's even a good chance that the Q1 results will show them to be in the #2 spot.) | |
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tshirt
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
·Comcast
| said by LiamJunket :I knew AOL was losing subscribers quickly, but a 2 million drop in 1 qtr says AOL is bleeding so quickly that by this time next year they will be down to 3rd or 4th on the list. [att=1] » www.isp-planet.com/research/rank···006.html Which is actually their goal.
AOL decide to reconfigure themselves as portal/web service, and elimnate/reduce their presence as a as a dialup provider/broadband reseller. For them the cost of POP's and tech support was becoming increasingly expensive/unprofitable. They believe the profit is in the web presence/associeted advertising/ and extra services (AOL TV, AOL music, etc.)
By that measure they had a very sucessful quarter in downsizing their paid subscriber base. | |
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dslwanter
Why would I want DSL? I have FTTH
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join:2002-12-16
Lowellville, OH
·Armstrong Zoom In..
·AT&T Midwest
| In the coming years I expect AT&T to pass Comcast and take the #2 spot, especially once U-Verse gets going. Where DSL is available, people are jumping for the price, if they light more remote terminals, I suspect many more will jump to them too. Until your average Joe opens his mind, don't expect AOL to get booted anytime soon.
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join:2002-11-15
Dallas, TX
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| The real statistics I'd like to see this broken down by technology because I don't believe these stats unless 80% of the country is still on dial up. If the consumer is a cable customer then its 100% the cable company as the ISP. If the consumer is a dsl or fiber customer then I'd bet 90% of them are using Verizon or AT&T a the provider. When you add up the cable providers and the telcos it doesn't even come to 50% according to their research.
So how about a study of the real question. And that is what percent of BROADBAND customers are using what ISP's. When you crunch those numbers I believve that your going to find that 95% of the customers are either using the local cable company or Verizon/AT&T.
Do we know what percent of the country is still on dial up? Wasn't there an article a few weeks ago on BBR that said that the FCC was inflating their numbers on the penetration of broadband? Doesn't this information appear to back those claims?
I think that the general population sees these statistics and says, "AT&T only has 9% of the market place, what are those people talking about when they say AT&T is a monopoly?" | |
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Mount Vernon, NY | Re: The real statistics Does this take in to account the number of AOL subscribers on BYOA or on free AOL?
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Why would I want DSL? I have FTTH
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Lowellville, OH
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| Re: The real statistics said by Pathfinder :Does this take in to account the number of AOL subscribers on BYOA or on free AOL? That's a good question. I'm not sure what to say on the free AOL but I'd still say yes on the BYOA. A subscriber is a subscriber. Even if they have SBC for their DSL but they're still signing into AOL, they're still a "subscriber" of both. So both get the points.
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join:2000-05-11 | They say they count only paying subs.
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| said by T1 Rocky :Do we know what percent of the country is still on dial up? Wasn't there an article a few weeks ago on BBR that said that the FCC was inflating their numbers on the penetration of broadband? Doesn't this information appear to back those claims? Based just on what you pointed out, I think you may be on to something. | |
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sticking it out at you
join:2001-03-24
Atlanta, GA
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| said by T1 Rocky :I'd like to see this broken down by technology because I don't believe these stats unless 80% of the country is still on dial up. If the consumer is a cable customer then its 100% the cable company as the ISP. Did you forget about Time Warner and Bright House selling wholesale to Earthlink and local ISPs in nearly all of their markets, and Comcast selling wholesale to Earthlink in Boston and Seattle?
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join:2002-11-15
Dallas, TX
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| Re: The real statistics said by roamer1 :said by T1 Rocky :I'd like to see this broken down by technology because I don't believe these stats unless 80% of the country is still on dial up. If the consumer is a cable customer then its 100% the cable company as the ISP. Did you forget about Time Warner and Bright House selling wholesale to Earthlink and local ISPs in nearly all of their markets, and Comcast selling wholesale to Earthlink in Boston and Seattle? -SC I was not aware of any cable companies wholesaling lines. I stand corrected. Instead of 100% of the cable companies, its what 98%? | |
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alg
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Houston, TX
clubs: | People still use AOL? I mean I don't even know of any nooby people who use AOL anymore. Even they have moved on to better services. | |
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kyler13
Is your fiber grounded?
join:2006-12-12
Arnold, MD | Re: People still use AOL? My in-laws still had AOL on dial-up until 2 months ago. AT&T's upgrades in CT made DSL a feasible alternative, especially since it costs about the same as they were paying for a second dedicated phone line for dial-up. | |
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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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| said by alg :I mean I don't even know of any nooby people who use AOL anymore. Even they have moved on to better services. My mother uses the BYOA plan for the email and messenger with her friends. Which is free but she likes the training wheel web where you just put in a word and it "goes" to the page.
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JoeyDee
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join:2004-07-23
Las Vegas, NV
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| AOL Finally go away? This restores my faith in the American Consumer. Pretty soon the only people out there using AOL and their obnoxious software will be a bunch of grannies whose sons and daughters don't care enough to get them proper 'net access.
Ever try to cancel an AOL account then get the damn software off a computer? They deserve to die. | |
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join:2001-08-17
Dallas, TX
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| Re: AOL Finally go away? A friend of mine, her mom lives way out in the country where there isnt anything but AOL available to her, she pays $9.95 a month for unlimited usage, but it just doesnt have all the other garbage software installed that AOL likes to put on. It connects fairly fast for dial up, but its still AOL as far as I'm concerned. I guess until her area gets something else she is forced to use it.  | |
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rawr?
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USA | Re: AOL Finally go away? if she can use AOL there she can use any other dialup access. | |
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Dallas, TX | Re: AOL Finally go away? Sure if she wants to pay long distance fees at the same time.  | |
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CylonRed
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join:2000-07-06
Bloom County
·Speakeasy
1 edit | Cancelling is a nightmare no matter who it is - lawn service is JUST as bad and as for getting rid of the software - east: Add/Remove Programs then delete the left over folder. I might get 3 spam emails a week in my main AOL account.
Use fee AOL now and used AOL since AOL3 so yes - I know what I am taking about. | |
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FastiBook
join:2003-01-08
Newtown, PA
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| AOL I still use AOL for back up e-mail, and chat rooms. The service is sadly being choked to death by bots and spam. I've been using AOL since 1997, and i use a mac. AOL has not had a new mac version in about a year and a half or longer, and some features specifically do not work on a mac. No reasoning behind this either. Ironic, since E-world started out on mac, turned into AOL, then hopped over to windows. Surprisingly, Netscape, and Compuserv still work! | |
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CrzyCrakr
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join:2005-06-24
Edgewater, MD
| Re: AOL said by FastiBook :I still use AOL for back up e-mail, and chat rooms. The service is sadly being choked to death by bots and spam. I've been using AOL since 1997, and i use a mac. AOL has not had a new mac version in about a year and a half or longer, and some features specifically do not work on a mac. No reasoning behind this either. Ironic, since E-world started out on mac, turned into AOL, then hopped over to windows. Surprisingly, Netscape, and Compuserv still work! Actually E-world did start on a mac but it never became AOL.
In other news...Even with AOL free now they are losing subs because they have a crazy strict TOS now. Like you could be talking about people driving in the snow and say..."Yeah drivers around here are total retards when it snows." and it would only take one person to be offended by you using the word "retards" to get you flagged. Needless to say many are leaving because of it.
AOL will always be kind of the dialup and as long as people are forced to use dial up there will always be AOL. | |
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NJxxxJon
something good. or your mom.
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join:2005-10-22
00000 | SBC WOW. SBC is OVER verizon? ? ? hmm...... | |
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odreian615
join:2006-01-18
Chicago, IL | What does this mean ? "BellSouth is no longer publishing numbers, as if its merger with SBC (AT&T) were complete and unchallenged."
I'm a bit slow today are they saying the SBC/ATT numbers include the Bellsouth numbers | |
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58ef2c0
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join:2000-05-11 | Re: What does this mean ? No, that's not what they are saying. Bellsouth has 3.6 million+ DSL subs which are not counted in this report.
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ztmike
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Michigan City, IN | comcast/upload Comcast gets bigger and record profits and their upload speed is still shit.. | |
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fasfsd
@comcast.net | Time Warner and Comcast There is no stopping Comcast and Time Warner. Basically they are broadband monopolies, with everyone moving to broadband, they will dominate the ISP services. | |
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RR Conductor
RailRoadDude
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join:2002-04-02
Redwood Valley, CA
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bhorow
join:2004-05-17
Forest Hills, NY
| Its all in the numbers Statistics are misleading.
They are saying that BYOA is based on 20% assumption. Rather than actual statistics. Many of us forget that there are rural areas throughout the U.S. that dialup is the only choice.
I think ISP count is a worthless statistic, what does it say if your an earthlink customer, are you a dsl/Cable customer. What does it say if your an AOL customer Are you dialup/Broadband??
ISP count is a reflection of availability to an area. Since Comcast is the largest cable company it would always be ahead of others. The greater the available population..The higher the subscriber number.
AOL's numbers if you look at 10 million subscribers. That would be high in my view. I just think its not about shedding subscribers but getting accurate counts.
It would be interesting to find out how many of AOL Dialup accounts are rural accounts with no other availability.
I think the smart question is to ask how many "Billable Customers do you have?" Not subscribers. I rather see billable account numbers. | |
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