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Tulsa, OK | please do, you already bought one stinker I guess you didn't learn your lesson from 4th Qtr 2006. So go ahead and buy this loser so you can lose MORE customers.
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| It could be worse Truthfully, I've had Sprint for over a year now, and have had no problems or complaints with my service with them. Nextel may be a different story, but Sprint PCS has been great for me.
I think that no matter what happens, it's apparent that Vonage isn't willing to stand on their own anymore and is looking to be bought. If that's the case, then they could be bought by someone much worse than Sprint, in my opinion. Of course I would rather see Vonage stand on their own, but I believe this company was created to be sold off from the very start. Now is a better time than never I guess.
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| Re: It could be worse actually I'm sure Verizon is laughing all the way to the bank with this one. This will make the second time they have foisted a failing company onto sprint. I guess Verizon's master plan is to push crap companies onto their competitors so they become such a burden that verizon is able to compete without pressure. | |
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Canadian, eh?
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Valencia, CA
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| Re: It could be worse Geez... when is Sprint going to wake up and smell the coffee.
They've been on an identitiy crisis for a bit now, and have been purchasing companies (Nextel for instance) which is still bleeding heavily, and are pushing WiMAX which is still in its infancy right now AND they want to buy Vonage?!
Does Sprint have some patents that nobody knows about and can use to keep itself from a self destructing Vonage ? | |
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1 edit | Re: It could be worse said by en102  :Geez... when is Sprint going to wake up and smell the coffee. They've been on an identitiy crisis for a bit now, and have been purchasing companies (Nextel for instance) which is still bleeding heavily, and are pushing WiMAX which is still in its infancy right now AND they want to buy Vonage?! Does Sprint have some patents that nobody knows about and can use to keep itself from a self destructing Vonage ? yes....they can use the same technology they use for routing digital cell phone calls...
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| Watch yourself buddy. Nextel was never a "Crap" company as you put it. The Reality is Verizon is the crap company. They Extort money from the competition instead of offering their customers competitive prices and quality services. And Vonage is Hardly a crap company. They were Smoking Verizon because of their crappy prices and services and instead of taking care of their customers they are trying to extort vonage out of business. | |
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Tulsa, OK | "watch yourself buddy"...?
spoken by a true Nextel redneck.
i agree, verizon is a crap company, sprint just happens to be at the top of the pile of crap. | |
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join:2001-04-29
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| Re: It could be worse I CAN agree about Verizon being crap, but not for theur reliability. But I guess if 4 (ie. Amp'd, etc...) other companies use you as their network, you'd have to be good. Honestly, my only problem is with Verizon Wireless and their extremely unresonable rates for cell phone plans. Their data network does kick ass though.
But concerning the issue at hand, this was just down right dirty for Verizon to sue. I hate the fact, even though I hate Vonage too, that the VoIP world has to suffer in the end. Yeah, yeah, the cable companies have the most subscribers, but if Vonage wasn't so successful, cable would still be using switch based equipment, and phone features would be even more expensive. This technology has been in use way before Vonage, and the ability to provide and control call features cheaply, by providing the customer with a VoIP terminal, and nobody had the balls to say "hey, did you know these features are really cheap, we'll just include then", just goes to show how much Verizon really rapes people. Flame away FiOS fans, this isn't about that, considering you could have 4 phone lines thru Vonage with your FiOS connection for the cost of 1 1/2 to 2 phone lines thru PSTN or FiOS phone service with the same features plus more. Bad business, and gladly, I am a Sprint PCS customer now. People flame them, but it works great for me, $45 cheaper than Verizon, and after hearing they are interested in Vonage, and seeing their next generation CDMA/iDEN hybrid phones, I can see INNOVATION with this company, without rediculous rates. Verizon doesn't even offer unlimited text. Anyway, done ranting, carry on... | |
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I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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| Re: It could be worse said by phattieg : Flame away FiOS fans, this isn't about that, considering you could have 4 phone lines thru Vonage with your FiOS connection for the cost of 1 1/2 to 2 phone lines thru PSTN or FiOS phone service with the same features plus more. Bad business, Well isn't that special. If I go into your store and steal goods I can sell them cheaper then you can. Bad business indeed. | |
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| Re: It could be worse said by phattieg : I am sure you know who he is if you're into VoIP. He is Co-Founder of Vonage. I am just waiting to see what happens next. VoIP is for Girlie Men and weenies. No I am not into VoIP or Lynx. | |
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Tulsa, OK | Re: It could be worse thats great if you only use 150 minutes. most yappers though need a lot more than that. | |
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| True, thats what my parents do. But different things for different people. My Sprint cell is my only phone and I easily use over 1,000+ min each month. I pay about $55 which includes data, unlimited Sprint-Sprint (as all my friends and family are on) and free nights/weekends.
For users like me (and there are a lot) these prepaid plans don't work. Figure 1,000min x $0.10min would come to $100 without my data services. | |
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| As inteller said prepaid is great if you only use 150 minutes. Those of us in the real world who use our phones as our primary phone or use them for work use a whole lot more than 150 minutes. I use 2000-3000 minutes a month on my sprint plan with 3 phones which I have had for two years and never had any issues. | |
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I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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| Re: It could be worse said by jsbaker : I use 2000-3000 minutes a month on my sprint plan with 3 phones which I have had for two years and never had any issues. Wow that is allot of RF going through your head. | |
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| Yeah, Vonage never makes a profit and Sprint is bleeding customers out of its rear to its competitors. Didn't Sprint want to get out of the landline business of every kind hence Embarq?
Where is the sense in the business plan for Sprint? That Nextel merger was a great idea too. I am sure that when Sprint buys Vonage they'll over pay for it, being a company that never makes a profit, I'd say Vonage is at least worth 60 billion (j/k). Vonage has a lot of assets, right? lol | |
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| Re: It could be worse said by DaBavarian :Yeah, Vonage never makes a profit and Sprint is bleeding customers out of its rear to its competitors. Didn't Sprint want to get out of the landline business of every kind hence Embarq? Where is the sense in the business plan for Sprint? That Nextel merger was a great idea too. I am sure that when Sprint buys Vonage they'll over pay for it, being a company that never makes a profit, I'd say Vonage is at least worth 60 billion (j/k). Vonage has a lot of assets, right? lol Vonage has customers  Customers and customers on contracts are assets. | |
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| Re: please do, you already bought one stinker said by inteller :I guess you didn't learn your lesson from 4th Qtr 2006. So go ahead and buy this loser so you can lose MORE customers. I think someone is riding the short bus to work in Overland Park every day. I bet you called shotgun.
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| The big get bigger Great say goodbye to independent VOIP.
gonna be all cable companies and phone companies as the VOIP companies are forced to sell for pennies on the dollar after being sued.
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| Re: The big get bigger said by P Ness :Great say goodbye to independent VOIP. gonna be all cable companies and phone companies as the VOIP companies are forced to sell for pennies on the dollar after being sued. sigh. Yep. That's what happens. The monopolies litigate, rather than innovate. Vonage has shown to be a significant threat to Ma Bell and Verizon is going for the jugular.
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join:2004-02-13
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| Re: The big get bigger I agree. Its innovation that will expand markets and grow the business, not litigating to hold on to each others small patch of the business. Meanwhile certain EU countries and the China economies are expanding very rapidly. Some people just don't get it. They should read Clayton Christiansen. | |
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| said by P Ness :Great say goodbye to independent VOIP. gonna be all cable companies and phone companies as the VOIP companies are forced to sell for pennies on the dollar after being sued. sigh. Sprint was an independent company that built themselves up...not really Ma Bell...besides they do not even have landline service anymore since they sold that off...
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join:2004-04-24
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| remember? remember "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" statement in the 'other vonage thread'?
Regardless, companies overall are committed to VOIP prices being virtually unlimited calling with many calling features and few, if any taxes for under $40 per month (for the most part..)
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Pittsburgh, PA
| Talks !!
Vonage and Sprint have been in talks, in an effort to settle the Sprint lawsuit. I wouldn't believe buyout if it came from Vonage, and the article says "one source says Vonage is considering selling itself to Sprint". It would be rather unusual for a Telco to interrupt another Telco's suit, in this way. | |
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Pensacola, FL | Re: Talks !! Sprint/Nextel is a wireless company. They spun of wireline called Embarq.
I don't see how that lets Vonage out of the VZ suit though. I doubt VZ will want to lose customers to Sprint either. | |
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| said by JohnA :Vonage and Sprint have been in talks, in an effort to settle the Sprint lawsuit. I wouldn't believe buyout if it came from Vonage, and the article says "one source says Vonage is considering selling itself to Sprint". It would be rather unusual for a Telco to interrupt another Telco's suit, in this way. Sprint is no longer your 'standard' Telco....almost all they do is in direct competition with the others....Wireless, Long distance, Cable voip, and now if this deal ever comes to be direct competition for VoIP service....
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: haha Comcast has to buy nextel also with sprint. | |
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| this is great first off sprint buying vonage will go right along with there plans to switch from celluar service to voip service that they are trying to do with wimax... sprint bought a ton sf new spectrum with the cable co's for just this.. sprint wants to faze out celluar by like 2012(i think) so having 2.2 million customers alread in the back would be just that.. plus for those that dont know sprint is trying out an unlimited plan down in PR right now .. i think its 65 a month for unlimited voice.. | |
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join:2007-04-11
Louisville, KY | So..not...cool. This sucks. I love me my Vonage.  | |
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join:2005-05-04
Atlanta, GA
| Re: So..not...cool. said by sprintvoips :
You could love Vonage even more when doing it over Sprint WiMAX on one account.
Ahh.. Finally, someone who gets it!!! Sprint would love to bundle VOIP service with their 1B dollar WiMax nationwide network...
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| Re: So..not...cool. Ding ding ding!
We have a winner. Sprint can instantly get like 2million customers for pennies on the advertising dollar for something they were planning to start from scratch anyways! The possibilities of marrying this with a nationwide WiMAX network with similar range as CDMA is VERY interesting indeed! | |
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join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI
| 1 billion.. WRONG. Try 3 billion when the dust settles.. Sprint already have been moving customers to their beefy IP network. TW is moving it's customers from the VZ network to sprint.. which already had half of them, now they will end up with most of not all. Sprint was smart to keep it's LD side of the house when letting the local division go (embarq). They have the back bone, they have the capacity. Now, they just need to stop pissing off it's customers. Nothing wrong with the network, just customer service needs a little patch or 2...  | |
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join:2001-01-03
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| not far fetched I used to work for Sprint/Nextel in the cable division. believe it or not they have a cable division. they do alot of the provisioning and switches for cable VOIP. Time Warner is one of their big clients as well as many others. I don't see this as a big stretch. | |
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join:2003-04-02
Chandler, AZ
| Boycott verizon Rather than getting those stupid patents crapizon should concentrate on providing atleast somewhat decent service. In phoenix, their service sucks bigtime to top it off they have their annoyingly stupid ad. I had their service, but after the contract I am happy to be crapizon free. | |
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| Re: Boycott verizon said by nutcr0cker :Rather than getting those stupid patents crapizon should concentrate on providing atleast somewhat decent service. In phoenix, their service sucks bigtime to top it off they have their annoyingly stupid ad. I had their service, but after the contract I am happy to be crapizon free. Verizon Wireless != Verizon Communications. (VZ owns 55% of VZW, but beyond that they operate as independent companies. VZ is the one that has the patents, not VZW.)
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I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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clubs: | Sprint? Give me a break. Sprint is not a builder; Sprint is a rape and take hustler. If Sprint wanted to build they would not have sold their Phone Company operations. Sprint bough, raped and sold in a NY minute. | |
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I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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| Re: Sprint? Give me a break. said by inteller :sounds like another disgruntled "Where yo at?" customer. Not I but Sprint did a job on the North West part of New Jersey. I have Verizon, did you see the picture I took?
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Spring Valley, CA | I wonder if the... 5, 6, 7, 8's will get a new contract? | |
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join:2003-02-23
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| Re: sprint why Sprint was an independent company that built themselves up...not really Ma Bell...besides they do not even have landline service anymore since they sold that off...
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1 edit | Re: sprint why said by Artec :Sprint was an independent company that built themselves up...not really Ma Bell...besides they do not even have landline service anymore since they sold that off... You are incorrect. Sprint still does Land Lines Since they have them NJ Hunterdon County. No, Sprint spun off all their local wireline service to Embarq, including Hunterdon County...
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| Re: I'm more interested.... said by La Luna :...in knowing something productive, like exactly how this would affect Vonage users and their service on a daily basis rather than yapping about the hilarity of the possible merger itself. I don't care who might absorb Vonage if it doesn't affect my service/cost in any major way. Me TOO! | |
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join:2003-01-24
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| Bad, bad, bad bad If sprint was smart they would buy ALLTEL not VONAGE! Sprint already has extensive roaming partnerships with ALLTEL, and wherever my sprint phone doesnt work, guess what ALLTEL does. It would make much more sense, and would be a much better business decision than buying stupid vonage. Sprint has been adding thousands of towers all over the place lately, I've enjoyed my better coverage and would like the expansion to continue. However, if they buy vonage, they probably will have to start dumping money into that, thus expansion will probably stop or slow and their wireless network will fall apart. DONT WANT THAT TO HAPPEN!!! | |
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Alltel is too pricey for what a carrier gets. They may as well continue roaming agreements. But I'd like to see Sprint get Alltel too... just aint not gunna happen. | |
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Jamaica, NY | Re: Bad, bad, bad bad Alltel is practically useless. They serve too much of the middle of nowhere. I hear VZ has better coverage than Alltel (ex-Western Wireless territory) from my friends. | |
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| Re: Bad, bad, bad bad ^Alltel is not natively in all states. Alltel covers much of the rural Midwest and South better than Verizon in many rural areas. In much of the Midwest, Sprint has better rural coverage than Verizon.
Sprint has been growing the network the last couple of years on Nextel cellsites and they'll be adding thousands more this year. Verizon has slowed down cellsite growth significantly and is falling behind. Especially when it comes to capacity. They are adding users and not capacity. As a result, they are canceling EVDO users. | |
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join:1999-12-17
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1 edit | Sprint ION all over again? Sprint pioneered VOIP (and VO-ATM) in the late 1990's before giving up with maybe 5000 customers and a billion $ spent -- or those were the rumors. They gave it up in 2002. It was a great service with 2 IPs with 8 Mb/1Mb DSL and 4 full service VOIP lines and 1000 minutes domestic LD in 2001. The VOIP included seamless 911 and directory listing.
The Sprint ION forum archives still exist here (»Sprint ION ). Sprint may have proof of prior art on a lot of those patents.
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