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join:2003-06-28 | Re: RIAA House of Cards Yes, any day now till the stake is finally driven through the heart.
Good riddance. | |
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Dallas, TX | Re: RIAA House of Cards The vampire analogy is fitting, considering that they
(and their lawyers) are a bunch of bloodsuckers, preying
on children, grandmothers, people without computers, and
even dead people. In short, those least capable of
defending themselves from their legal onslaught.
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Silver Spring, MD | Re: RIAA House of Cards But then again, the vampire comparison goes deeper: The RIAA and its Lawyers would surely resurrect once the sun goes down... | |
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Alexandria, VA | said by Doctor Four:The vampire analogy is fitting, considering that they (and their lawyers) are a bunch of bloodsuckers, preying on children, grandmothers, people without computers, and even dead people. In short, those least capable of defending themselves from their legal onslaught. Not to mention the artists that they "represent".
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|  major marcoRes Firma Mitescere NescitPremium
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Stepford, CA | The **AAs crumbling? I'll believe it when I see it. As long a the DMCA is still on the books and companies like Microcrap perpetuate it, the world is not safe from DRM. | |
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kudos:4 | Re: RIAA House of Cards Two different considerations you're talking about.
I didn't say that the RIAA was necessarily crumbling. My point is that the the RIAA's DRM house of cards and the lost sales because of piracy arguments may be falling down with the EMI actions.
First, I believe that as the EMI initiative continues to gain steam and support from retailers such as Amazon, etc. there will be pressure on the other labels to follow (as long as EMI's experiment truly is successful).
Second, if the above indeed happens, and if/when the other record labels fall in line, the DMCA as it relates to music and the RIAA will become toothless and moot.
Maybe a little too optimistic, but there seem to be at least some chinks in the RIAA armor. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: RIAA House of Cards Hi, the RIAA works for EMI (as well as others) so EMI releasing some DRM-free music has absolutely nothing to do with the RIAA or if they have a house made of cards.
As has always been, the RIAA is an agent of Recording Industry copyright holders who want to seek legal action against innfringement.
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Hollywood, FL | Re: RIAA House of Cards said by Jehu:Hi, the RIAA works for EMI (as well as others) so EMI releasing some DRM-free music has absolutely nothing to do with the RIAA or if they have a house made of cards. As has always been, the RIAA is an agent of Recording Industry copyright holders who want to seek legal action against innfringement. The trouble is they're acting on their own without any oversight. Take the simple case of a C&D letter being sent here recently to websites supporting the new NIN album, which were published with the full knowledge and consent of the band and the label.
These "agents" seem to think that the default position is guilty without any investigation. This isn't about infringement it is about control of distribution channels.
K.
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: RIAA House of Cards said by GlobalMind:said by Jehu:Hi, the RIAA works for EMI (as well as others) so EMI releasing some DRM-free music has absolutely nothing to do with the RIAA or if they have a house made of cards. As has always been, the RIAA is an agent of Recording Industry copyright holders who want to seek legal action against innfringement. The trouble is they're acting on their own without any oversight. Take the simple case of a C&D letter being sent here recently to websites supporting the new NIN album, which were published with the full knowledge and consent of the band and the label. These "agents" seem to think that the default position is guilty without any investigation. This isn't about infringement it is about control of distribution channels. K. so basicly you mean like how Columbian drug lords want total control of their product from plants to the streets of Brooklyn. or how the Mafia wanted control of the booze from entry to the US to sale at the speakeasy during Prohibition. the difference is the RIAA is legalized gangsters because their product is legal.
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kudos:2 | Re: RIAA House of Cards you watch too much tv 
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Silver Spring, MD | Re: RIAA House of Cards Actually, I'd say he's pretty much on the money on that too. lol. Theres no such thing as a black and white issue when dealing with the **AA's. | |
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Alexandria, VA | said by Kearnstd:so basicly you mean like how Columbian drug lords want total control of their product from plants to the streets of Brooklyn. or how the Mafia wanted control of the booze from entry to the US to sale at the speakeasy during Prohibition. the difference is the RIAA is legalized gangsters because their product is legal. Racketeering is racketeering...
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kudos:2 | Too much tv for you too. | |
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Silver Spring, MD | Re: RIAA House of Cards Not really. Take into consideration this:
"This isn't about infringement it is about control of distribution channels."
IMO, this is totally the case. Kind of like how nowadays, people are asking less and less for a Record deal but more and more for a Distribution deal.
Lots of people got in-house studios, they just want the label to flood the market with their music. The RIAA's is definitely not here to "apply the laws of copyright" as can clearer be seen by the CnD letters sent to people recording music off the radio or how they don't want anyone to make any kind of backup they don't see fit. How's that for watching too much tv?  | |
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kudos:4 | I disagree. EMI's actions neuter the RIAA's initiatives to a degree. Think about it, if all the labels were to go DRM fee, a large part of the RIAA's job would evaporate. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: RIAA House of Cards Hi, the RIAA existed long before DRM. DRM-crippled mp3s are but a small part of what they do.
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kudos:4 | Re: RIAA House of Cards I realize that. My first dealing with the RIAA was back in 2001 relating to internet music streaming.
But, my point is that the RIAA has become part of the collective conscious because of the DRM issues. When/if the DRM issue is negated by the record companies, a lot of the RIAA's present "business" goes away. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: RIAA House of Cards I see what you are saying, but I think you need to better parse out what you mean by DRM.
DRM, as a whole, ain't going anywhere. Neverevernever.
Methods of enforcing (read: being a pain in the ass to consumers) DRM will fluctuate and perhaps become quite transparent over time.
EMI's PR brainchild is to sell *some MP3s online with no DRM-crippling stuff built in. yay.
It is a useful PR move, and it's even more useful when, after selling DRM-free MP3s, they can say "see looky we're still getting pirated as much (if not more)."
win-win as they say.
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kudos:4 | Re: RIAA House of Cards I can't refute anything you're saying. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. | |
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»www.anywherecd.com/mp3/home1 | |
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kudos:2 | Re: RIAA House of Cards Seeing as Robertson has a nice history of having his ventures legally gutted like a fish by the RIAA, I wish him best of luck!
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Tulsa, OK | at least Amazon is trying. They know there is good money to be made in DRM free music. They also point out the sheer stupidity of the labels for not wanting to do this.
Let see, sell 1000 DRM songs at .99 or 10000 songs DRM free at 1.30.....wow seems like a no brainer to me.
Can't wait for the Apple statistics to come out on EMI sales. | |
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Stepford, CA | Re: at least Amazon is trying. said by inteller:They know there is good money to be made in DRM free music. They also point out the sheer stupidity of the labels for not wanting to do this. Come on now...revenue generation by lawsuit is much more flashier than say by producing a superior product that consumers actually want to buy!
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But I looked at a Carble Card Certified PC as a possible new buy. Non Customized, the BASE PRICE was $2120. You couldn't go lower than that with the options they had. Plus, if you're computer died, all the Blue-Ray discs burned with the media recorded on that PC where useless....all recorded shows on the hard drive, gone forever, thanks to DRM.
The MPAA and RIAA are shooting themselves in the foot with all this crap. Kudos to Amazon for trying. Although I still won't try their unbox service unless they fix the problems with their software taking over your computer. | |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | the RIAA hates loss of control, for decades they had total control and the internet is breaking that. they wont adapt they will just die someday just like how dinos didnt adapt to the cold after the meteor hit.
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Silver Spring, MD | Re: at least Amazon is trying. Agreed. | |
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Denver, CO | Slow Progress I'm glad at least one company is moving away from DRM, however they just charge more for mid-quality MP3 format.
When is someone going to start a ALLOFMP3 type service here, legally, inexpensive, without any Crap DRM and allowing ME to choose the bit-rate and format.
Who ever pulls this off, will eclipse iTunes and all other services combined in popularity and money earned for music industry and artists.
Until then, One Finger Salute to you stupid people at RIAA.
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| | Here is some cheese, to go with all the whine Quit whineing about DRM and just buy the CD if you don't like.
Amazon has always sold DRM free music. Its called CD's. | |
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Lake Forest, IL | Re: Here is some cheese, to go with all the whine An issue with buying entire CDs is that many have a couple of good songs and 7-10 "filler" songs. An additional issue is that you have to rip your own songs. As a consumer, it would be desirous that I could purchase only the songs I desire in a format that meets my listening quality requirements. Some people may be happy with 128k, others will want 360, or whatever a high level is. | |
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| | | Yeah, or better yet, download the songs you want for free via peer-to-peer filesharing. No DRM to worry about there. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: Here is some cheese, to go with all the whine said by Nathn :
Yeah, or better yet, download the songs you want for free via peer-to-peer filesharing. No DRM to worry about there.
Or better yet I could just break into your house and steal all your CDs and your computer. Free is free right? | |
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| | | | | Re: Here is some cheese, to go with all the whine But if you broke into his house, and STOLE all his CD's, well then, he wouldn't have them. But if you broke into his house, and made a COPY of all his CD's, well, he's none the poorer for you having done that.
Copyright infringement is NOT THEFT. The supreme court even ruled that. The only one who looses when you download music you would never pay for is... NOONE!
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Silver Spring, MD | Re: Here is some cheese, to go with all the whine I hear ya on that. Its not theft by law. It's and infringement on a copyright (a piece of paper saying "that ish is yours).
How hard is that to comprehend? | |
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Pompton Plains, NJ | DRM Never saw anything wrong with DRM, I love Sony's ATRAC3 format. | |
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