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A headless chickenwill continue to live for a few hours after they've been beheaded.
Its only a matter of time for Vonage's hour to come...... | |
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Cabal
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2007-Apr-24 3:07 pm
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said by ninjatutle:will continue to live for a few hours after they've been beheaded. Its only a matter of time for Vonage's hour to come...... Hardly...they have a much stronger case now than they have had before. They are far from being beheaded. | |
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Re: A headless chickenOne less hole in the hull of a broken, sinking ship does not save the crew... | |
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said by ptrowski:Hardly...they have a much stronger case now than they have had before. They are far from being beheaded. I would agree that they are far from being beheaded. However I'm not real sure how much stronger the case is currently. There has been some evidence brought up that might invalidate Verizon's patent. However appeal courts don't generally deal with new evidence, they usually just look at the existing evidence that was presented at the original trial and see if justice was somehow mis-served somewhere. For Vonage to truly win, they would have to have the patent invalidated or at least a judge to rule that Vonage's technology is different the what is stated in the patent. The invalidation of a patent can be a very long process. See the RIM/Blackberry vs. NTP lawsuit for how long that can take...if not longer. | |
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ptrowski
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2007-Apr-24 4:57 pm
Re: A headless chickensaid by cdru:said by ptrowski:Hardly...they have a much stronger case now than they have had before. They are far from being beheaded. I would agree that they are far from being beheaded. However I'm not real sure how much stronger the case is currently. There has been some evidence brought up that might invalidate Verizon's patent. However appeal courts don't generally deal with new evidence, they usually just look at the existing evidence that was presented at the original trial and see if justice was somehow mis-served somewhere. For Vonage to truly win, they would have to have the patent invalidated or at least a judge to rule that Vonage's technology is different the what is stated in the patent. The invalidation of a patent can be a very long process. See the RIM/Blackberry vs. NTP lawsuit for how long that can take...if not longer. True, but then again if they look at the existing evidence, then appeal the ruling again based on new evidence, this could go on and on... | |
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Re: A headless chickenThe trick is to prove that the trial court erred in its original decision based on the evidence presented by both parties at the trial. Walking in with a new defense after the trial ends is not going to get you anywhere. | |
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Re: A headless chickenA judge's decision/opinion (non-legal definition) is final. If he says pigs fly, thats legal precedent now. The whole point in a appeal is to say something went wrong in the procedure of the trial (AKA BS details), not the actual decision of the judge. Once you get a new trial, based on the BS technicality, you get a clean slate to work with. | |
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ptrowski
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2007-Apr-24 6:40 pm
Re: A headless chickensaid by patcat88:A judge's decision/opinion (non-legal definition) is final. If he says pigs fly, thats legal precedent now. The whole point in a appeal is to say something went wrong in the procedure of the trial (AKA BS details), not the actual decision of the judge. Once you get a new trial, based on the BS technicality, you get a clean slate to work with. Thanks patcat88. | |
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said by patcat88:A judge's decision/opinion (non-legal definition) is final. If he says pigs fly, thats legal precedent now. The whole point in a appeal is to say something went wrong in the procedure of the trial (AKA BS details), not the actual decision of the judge. Once you get a new trial, based on the BS technicality, you get a clean slate to work with. It was not a judges opinion. Vontage was tried by a jury of it peers. | |
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Re: A headless chickenThe Judge still has an opinion that becomes precedent. | |
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said by ninjatutle:will continue to live for a few hours after they've been beheaded. Its only a matter of time for Vonage's hour to come...... Look, let's be real here. Verizon has as much "real" claim on those patents as do the companies that actually contributed to the development of it, of course that can be countered with "well at least Verizon has the patents" but whatever... I'm glad that Vonage got this stay in judgement, but look for them to sell out as quickly as possible to the first (or second) company that comes with an offer. I say this, and I am a happy Vonage user. As long as I can continue to get my great VoIP service, then I'm happy. | |
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batterup
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2007-Apr-24 5:45 pm
Re: A headless chickensaid by King P: Look, let's be real here. Verizon has as much "real" claim on those patents as do the companies that actually contributed to the development of it, How would you know? You don't even know what the pattens are. | |
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random thought
Anon
2007-Apr-24 3:07 pm
first the stay, now the appealObviously the case for appeal is strong enough to convince the panel to grant the permanent stay. Its about time the biggest telco on the block received a swift kick to the bells. | |
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Re: first the stay, now the appealsaid by random thought :
swift kick to the bells. Nice Baby Bells reference. I like it | |
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Re: first the stay, now the appealI predict: Verizonage. | |
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2007-Apr-24 3:49 pm
Re: first the stay, now the appealA+ for effort. | |
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Re: first the stay, now the appealHow about Verizon pwnoge. | |
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ptrowski
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2007-Apr-24 4:35 pm
Re: first the stay, now the appealSorry, I don't speak punk, I mean leet. Save that for the kiddies, please. | |
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Re: first the stay, now the appealI would translate that to geek speak for you but I don't really know it | |
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ptrowski
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2007-Apr-24 6:41 pm
Re: first the stay, now the appealsaid by ninjatutle:I would translate that to geek speak for you but I don't really know it I would not be so sure. | |
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said by ninjatutle:I would translate that to geek speak for you but I don't really know it I $PeEK Flu13nT L33t. i VaLu1 4r+ICULo L33T L@tin. | |
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quote: the biggest telco on the block
Wouldn't that be AT&T? | |
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Lark3po
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2007-Apr-24 4:00 pm
Re: first the stay, now the appealsaid by vinnie97:quote: the biggest telco on the block
Wouldn't that be AT&T? Depends on the "block." | |
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Anon
2007-Apr-24 5:57 pm
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yes, make that the second biggest telcom on the block. happy now? | |
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said by random thought :
Obviously the case for appeal is strong enough to convince the panel to grant the permanent stay. Its about time the biggest telco on the block received a swift kick to the bells. Jim is that you? | |
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Rick5
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2007-Apr-24 4:00 pm
Verizon appears to be getting theirbutts kicked the last few days in this case. First, there's all this news questioning the validity of their patents and now this.
Apparently the appeals court is siding with Vonage in this case.
Perhaps Verizon will now make a bid for Vonage. It's not looking good for their case, and if Vonage is going to continue to take their customers, it might be the thing to do. | |
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Jeff
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2007-Apr-24 5:22 pm
Re: Verizon appears to be getting theirI thought Sprint was going to get on the deal, too. Sprint vs. Verizon - that'd be a heckuva fight. | |
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Certainly didn't slow their commercialsStay or not they've been playing those commericals non-stop over the last few weeks. I also got 2 emails (being an ex-customer) begging me to come back. Of course their service sucked so bad and was so overpriced I would never return to Vonage. I'm extremely happy with Viatalk. | |
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newview
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2007-Apr-24 5:56 pm
Some good news . . . for a change.
Glad to see it.
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2007-Apr-24 7:04 pm
Judge panels are Vonage Happy CustomerI think Judges of this case are probably Vonage Happy Customer....... | |
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Re: Judge panels are Vonage Happy CustomerWhat would happen if the judge (or someone in their family) just happened to go and purchase a whole wack of vonage stock right before the verdict came out?
That wouldn't be insider trading would it? | |
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2007-Apr-24 7:53 pm
Re: Judge panels are Vonage Happy CustomerI just pulled up the February 2007 holding in Verizon v Vonage and searched for the term "prior art" in the ruling. Surprisingly, I didn't get one hit. Hmm... | |
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At the end of the dayIn the end, it's just costing you, the consumer, the one that is really paying for this legal battle. I can proudly say, neither of these two get a dime of my money. | |
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2007-Apr-24 8:17 pm
Re: At the end of the dayVerizon is big enough that somehow even indirectly they get your money. | |
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Re: At the end of the daysaid by nonymous:Verizon is big enough that somehow even indirectly they get your money. Umm Ok | |
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Way To Go Vonage!Anyone who wins against the big bully Verizon is tops in my book. Verizon was so greedy they were going for the jugular vein like a vulture, now let Verizon suffer with what they deserve. | |
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2007-Apr-24 10:16 pm
Re: Way To Go Vonage! The 3COM patent has a file date of 1998. The patent issue date is 2003. VZ 6104711 has a file date 1997-issue date 2000. Patent #6282574 was accepted as a continuation of 711. The patent file date is 2000 - issue date 2001. 3COM patent # 6567405 used VZ patent,and a BELL ATLANTIC patent from 1993 as a reference for network address translation. (Bell ATLANTIC-NYNEX-GTE- MCI) now VZ have used packet switched voice data for business customers for a long time and have the patents to prove it. | |
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izy
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2007-Apr-24 10:13 pm
Can't they just kiss and make up??I have Verizon cell service and Vonage at home. They both work great! It'd be a shame to have to cancel them both because of their greed... | |
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