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Mobile, AL | FTTH FTTH... pay me now or pay me later. If they don't deploy it now they will be 5 years from now. I for one think it makes more financial sense to do it right the first time. | |
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Valencia, CA | Re: FTTH I agree.. its really expensive to do the last mile, however prepping it by FTTN is not a bad idea, as long as they can make it work. Using the profits from FTTN, they can persue the last mile of fibre, bonded pairs, wireless, or any other tech. | |
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| dynodbPremium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN | How does it make more financial sense to deploy when demand is low and costs are high?
As time goes by, technology gets cheaper (Verizon has already noted that connection costs have dropped significantly since they started their FIOS project).
Currently there's no great demand for FTTH- quite a few are still satisfied with 1.5M (or even less) DSL.
As much as many of us would like to see widespread FTTH right freakin' now, it makes more financial sense is to wait until demand is up and deployment costs are down. | |
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| | | | No demand for fiber to the home?!?!?!@!W#$ said by dynodb:Currently there's no great demand for FTTH- quite a few are still satisfied with 1.5M (or even less) DSL. There's no demand for fiber to the home???? How do you figure that? I couldn't disagree with you more. Whitacre would like for you to believe that there is no demand for fiber and that dsl is sufficient. In fact he has stated that a few times in interviews. And he wants you to believe that because he already has a paid for copper network in place and he has already recieved payment to build out the fiber to the home network that was suppose to be 80% in place by 2004.
Instead of building out that network he invested in lobbying, restored the monopoly and entered vertical markets. In 1996, SBC maintained phone lines and wasn't even allowed to sell long distance. Now look at them!
Frankly, what is his motivation to build out this fiber network? There's no competitors to speak of beyond cable and that product is no better than dsl. So what's his motivation to replace his already paid for copper network with a billion dollar fiber network? He has no motivation. And that's why none of it is done.
As a consumer, an American and someone in the ISP industry, I can't stand Whitacre. But as a stockholder he did no wrong. After finding out about his announced retirement (on BBR) I set my trading account to dump my 177 shares first thing when the market opens Monday. I think that this day signifies the peak of the telco dynasty. In the next few years the power companies are going to enter the ISP market and for the first time the telcos are going to face real competition.  | |
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Minneapolis, MN | Re: No demand for fiber to the home?!?!?!@!W#$ said by T1 Rocky:said by dynodb:Currently there's no great demand for FTTH- quite a few are still satisfied with 1.5M (or even less) DSL. There's no demand for fiber to the home???? How do you figure that? I couldn't disagree with you more. I said no great demand. BBR posters aren't representative of the market- for instance, Verizon is only getting 10% penetration the first year FIOS is introduced in an area, and 15% in areas it's been available for over a year.
When 85% of the people who can get it don't, I'd characterize that as less than great demand- especially given that they're deploying to more urban parts of the country where one would expect overall broadband usage to be higher. | |
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| | | | | | Re: No demand for fiber to the home?!?!?!@!W#$ They really aren't advertising it or pushing it that much. Many of the initial installs are word of mouth. The demand IS there when people learn about it. | |
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Palm Desert, CA | Well I went on the Record years ago when I declared Verizon with their FTTH FiOS was the clear winner. Verizon Stock Holders think differently, they think like some of the short sighted members on this board, that they should have used some of their Copper Infrastructure. I think AT&T is 5 years behind with their FTTN. Someone said they can just push Fiber from there to the home, but it's not that easy. I'm sure all the equipment has to be changed. So AT&T will be playing catch-up for a very long time, and their Stock Holders will be crying. | |
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Fiber is fiber. No need to rip out existing fiber for new one if its perfectly useful. All they would have to do is piggyback onto the box.
Its like if I went from DSL to Cable HSI in the home. I wouldnt toss out my routers and ethernet. I would just throw out the DSL modem or sell it on ebay. | |
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Palm Desert, CA |  Re: FTTH
said by ninjatutle:Is that what they teach people in the desert? Fiber is fiber. No need to rip out existing fiber for new one if its perfectly useful. All they would have to do is piggyback onto the box. Its like if I went from DSL to Cable HSI in the home. I wouldnt toss out my routers and ethernet. I would just throw out the DSL modem or sell it on ebay. No, The Desert is way behind in Technology, but we do have FiOS. I'm an old PacBell Telco person, so I was talking about the Electronics or Termination Equipment. I know Fiber is Fiber, but FTTN is way different than FTTH. FTTN has more equipment, and I don't think most people like the large Nodes throughout their neighborhoods.
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Verizon, however, will have to replace all of its equipment, including customers' set top boxes, when it eventually upgrades to a 100% IPTV platform (as it has said it will eventually). Those costs will be on top of the $30+ billion it's already spent. | |
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00000 | goodbye turd bird. hello FTTH? maybe now they will get their heads out of their asses and do something useful. | |
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join:2000-05-11 | Re: Hmmm... Totally different company. ATT Broadband was part of the old AT&T (long distance, etc.). SBC was still Southwestern Bell when AT&T was in the cable biz.
All of which illustrates what a dumbass move it was for them to adopt the old AT&T name and logo.
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kudos:4 | Stephenson young CEO at 47; could be around a long time Randall Stephenson, 47, will be promoted to CEO from his current post as chief operating officer. Here is the AT&T bio on Stephenson:
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Mr. Stephenson began his career with Southwestern Bell Telephone in 1982 in the information technology organization in Oklahoma. He then progressed through a series of leadership positions in finance, including an international assignment in Mexico City, and in 1996 was named controller for SBC Communications. Additionally, Mr. Stephenson has served as senior vice president-Performance Assurance and senior vice president-Consumer Marketing.
...serves as vice chairman of the White House's National Security Telecommunications Advisory Committee.
Stephenson holds a Bachelor of Science degree in accounting from the University of Central Oklahoma and a Master of Accountancy degree from the University of Oklahoma. So, Stephenson is a money guy and not really a technical or marketing person. I expect a lot of emphasis on managing assets and getting max return for investors. And not as much emphasis on technical or marketing innovation.
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1 edit | Re: Stephenson young CEO at 47; could be around a long time wow. AT&T committed illegal spying on the american public by cooperating with the NSA. and this guy serves on the white house national security committee? disgusting. | |
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| | | | Re: Stephenson young CEO at 47; could be around a long time AT&T commits "illegal spying" all the time, it's called running the network. Seems like you use them either way. | |
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1 edit | Re: Stephenson young CEO at 47; could be around a long time there's a difference. and yes, i use them for now for lack of reasonable alternatives. doesn't mean i agree with their actions.
i'm in the process of slowly weening myself and my employer off their system though. at work we use them for phones and dsl--and we were using them for long distance. the monthly long-distance bill was $50-80. $25 of that was before we made a single call. then add taxes and fees. simply unbelievable. now our long distance bills are $5-$15. it's nice to have real alternatives. | |
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there's a benefit to being THE phone company even if the true monopoly isn't like it used to be. imagine all the old folks out there that don't want to change, don't realize what they are paying, etc. ... profit! | |
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| said by morbo:wow. AT&T committed illegal spying on the american public by cooperating with the NSA. and this guy serves on the white house national security committee? disgusting. That was David Dorman's AT&T. When that was going on, Ed Whitacre's SBC apparently wasn't part of that activity. The EFF lawsuit appears to recognize this, and that the problem with the new AT&T is that former SBC networks will be merged with the old AT&T networks.
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00000 | Re: Stephenson young CEO at 47; could be around a long time if i recall correctly, one of the NSA spy rooms is in St. Louis, Missouri. that's SBC. | |
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join:2003-07-20
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kudos:12 | said by ThrowDemsOut:So, Stephenson is a money guy and not really a technical or marketing person. I expect a lot of emphasis on managing assets and getting max return for investors. And not as much emphasis on technical or marketing innovation. So what you're hinting at, is the FTTN plan isn't likely to change?
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Oklahoma City, OK | said by ThrowDemsOut:Stephenson holds a Bachelor of Science degree in accounting from the University of Central Oklahoma and a Master of Accountancy degree from the University of Oklahoma. maybe us Oklahomans will see something innovative for once 
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By MICHELLE ROBERTS
Associated Press Writer
Whitacre, 65, had another year on his contract, but Patrick Comack, an analyst for Zachary Investment Research, said Whitacre's decision to leave sends him out on top.
"He built AT&T into a juggernaut," said Comack, who is often critical of AT&T because of the ongoing competition it faces from cable television. "He's highly respected on Wall Street, a straight shooter."
He'll collect more than $161.6 million, including $73.8 million in deferred compensation and the $84.7 million in his pension fund in his retirement package. He'll also make more than $1 million per year for three years as a consultant for the company, according to AT&T's proxy statement. During that time, his benefits will continue and he'll get some tax help, including the payment of about $15,600 in taxes per year.
But with the stock trading at a five-year high, three shareholder-driven initiatives to limit compensation and pension funds for AT&T executives have failed.
"I'm not sure anyone is worth that kind of money, but if anybody is going to get it, at least he did his job," Comack said of Whitacre.
Because of recent successes, the board approved a 6.2 percent increase in monthly benefits for AT&T's oldest and poorest retirees. Roughly 88,000 former employees who retired before 1996 and receive less than $1,200 per month will get the increase starting in October, Whitacre announced Friday.
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join:2004-05-26
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kudos:1 | Re: pay package said by footballdude:from today's St Louis Post Dispatch: "He's highly respected on Wall Street, a straight shooter." Only time he ever shot straight was if an employee was foolish enough to turn their back, blink or believe his pet phrase: "trust me". | |
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Mountains | said by footballdude:Because of recent successes, the board approved a 6.2 percent increase in monthly benefits for AT&T's oldest and poorest retirees. Roughly 88,000 former employees who retired before 1996 and receive less than $1,200 per month will get the increase starting in October, Whitacre announced Friday. At least some humanity peaking its head through this world of money...
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| | at&t In a Forbes magazine article, written a few months ago, it said that he would retire in April 2008. Also, it said that at&t is planning one more huge acquisition before then, and they listed several possible companies: Qwest, Directv, Echostar/Dish Network, Time Warner, Yahoo, and some others. The article states that they buy companies that are having problems, but it's not the company's fault.
Could we possibly see another at&t acquisition before June?
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join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT | While I certainly haven't been the biggest AT&T fan BBR has ever seen, namely because of their lack of a FTTH initiative..I do have to say if anyone has earned his retirement, he certainly has.
He built one monster sized telcommunications company all over again and ran it with a lot of efficiency.
And, he's certainly going out on a high as far as his companies shareholders and Wall Street goes.
I think that deserves him a round of applause and a job, well done.
And NOW, hopefully the new guy won't wait another day to drop uverse and get with the REAL program..FTTH!
Something tells me he might. (namely AT&T's last report that only 17,000 customers or so have signed up for uverse so far). Talk about a dog that just won't hunt!
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San Antonio, TX | Re: While I certainly haven't been the biggest AT&T fan Rick,
The last count was 20,00, still small numbers but that number is no doubt growing rapidly. They are doing more than 2,000 installs a week and that number should grow to 10,000 a week by the end of the year. The dog may not hunt now, but it looks like it wont be long before it is. | |
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Oklahoma City, OK | interesting. I'm on AT&T FTTP, and the fastest speed offered is 6/1. On top of that, it's PPPoE, which equals overhead. In the end, I get 5300/875...
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| | alltel Just found this on the net:
"Earlier this week the WSJ's Deal Journal blog speculated that AT&T CEO, Ed Whitacre, would acquire the carrier as part of a "swan song" acquisition before he retires."
I know Alltel is CDMA, but I read somewhere that Alltel has GSM in some areas. So they could just add GSM to the rest of their coverage area, while the transition is taking place. | |
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