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416,000 new broadband customers
(old news - 09:45AM Monday Apr 30 2007)
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Verizon has released their earnings report, which indicates the company's first-quarter earnings fell 8.4% to $1.5 billion -- largely thanks to the spinoff of their directories business and their sale of Puerto Rican assets. The company says they added 416,000 net new broadband connections (which seems a hair low if that's FiOS and DSL) and 1.6 million new wireless phone customers. Their data on FiOSTV:
"Verizon Telecom added a net of 141,000 new FiOS TV customers in the first quarter 2007. Verizon served 348,000 FiOS TV customers as of the end of the quarter, and this growth is accelerating. The company averaged approximately 2,200 FiOS TV net customer additions per business day in the first quarter 2007, about 750 more net additions per business day than the fourth-quarter 2006 average."
According to the company, FiOS deployment diluted earnings by 11 cents per share. The company doesn't list total FiOS customers, but it's creeping toward the million mark; Verizon has set a goal of three to four million FiOS customers by 2010. While AT&T's quarterly earnings were more impressive, analysts still think it could be Verizon who laughs last with their more aggressive FTTH plan:
"Verizon is taking a more expensive approach in getting out of a slower growth area," said Todd Rosenbluth, an analyst for Standard & Poor's. "AT&T is looking to keep everything. For the near term, AT&T is seeing the benefits. A year or two out, we think that what Verizon is doing, while not cost effective, is a better approach towards fighting cable competition."

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JeepMatt
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I helped!

And I was one of those 141,000 additions!
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Re: I helped!

I was thinking from switching to FiOS TV from E* but read that some people like you were having occasional trouble with their HD feeds. Did your pixelation issues go away?

ColorBASIC
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Question would be

Are they replacing all the lost revenue from the fleeing POTS customers bailing to cellular, cable telephony and indy VoIP?
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Re: Question would be

HA, HA!!! They started airing those "always on" commercials when I switched to cable VoIP back in January, that was the last straw for them, me leaving, LOLOLOLOL.

My Digital Phone is always on as well and I have no intention of going back to Verizon. If anything, I will use another VoIp provider if necessary.

ColorBASIC
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Re: Question would be

I switched to Viatalk during that 2 years for 1 promotion and have been pretty happy. I have cell as a backup and my home alarm system already had a cellular backup module (because the NID is accessable from the front yard side of my fence) so even if Viatalk not totally reliable it won't bother me much. Time Warner offers digital phone service but it's pretty expensive. It isn't much cheaper than POTS.
NYC Girl
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Re: Question would be

Yeah, the taxes are less than POTS, though, and actually is a little cheaper with my triple play bundle. It comes to $33.91 instead of 39.99. I was paying $65.79 w/Verizon.

DP works w/my alarm system.
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said by ColorBASIC See Profile :

Are they replacing all the lost revenue from the fleeing POTS customers bailing to cellular, cable telephony and indy VoIP?
"In the first quarter, Verizon lost 925,000 lines from year-end levels -- meaning it has lost 7.9% of the lines it had at March 31, 2006. The cancellation rate is up from 7.6% in the fourth quarter and 6.9% a year ago. "

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ColorBASIC
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Re: Question would be

Looks then like the answer would be no.

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Capital expenditures as % of revenues is the key

The key difference going forward is how much each company is reinvesting a part of their revenues in their business.

AT&T had capital expenditures in their last reported quarter of $3.3 billion from $29 billion in revenue. That is 11.4% of revenue reinvested.

Verizon had capital expenditures in their last reported quarter of $4.2 billion from $22.6 billion in revenue. That is 18.6 % of revenue reinvested.

Now the question is - how long will the Verizon shareholders be willing to delay a better return on their investment? Theoretically, they will get a better return down the line due to future higher profits on the capital expenditures. So it comes down to - do they believe Verizon management's promises or not.

Verizon EPS - 51 to 56 cents/share depending on special items
AT&T EPS - 45 to 46 cents/share depending on special items

Given the above earnings/share info, Verizon's plan still appears to be working and will give them an advantage over AT&T in the long run with a reduced chance of major complaints from shareholders. A little grumbling maybe, but no shareholder revolt is in sight yet.
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Re: Capital expenditures as % of revenues is the key

The problem is that we are comparing two companies that don't compete with each other. Verizon is expanding FIOS rollouts, but their new customers are coming from Cable, not from AT&T. So AT&T really has nothing to fear from Verizon offering a better/faster/cheaper product, and their earnings are in no way effected by it.
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Re: Capital expenditures as % of revenues is the key

said by Camelot One See Profile :

The problem is that we are comparing two companies that don't compete with each other.
But they do compete with each other(and many others) in the stock market when looking for sources of investment money. Mutual funds, institutional investor companies, & brokerages look to invest their money in various sectors and when balancing their portfolios and looking to invest a piece in the communications sector, AT&T and Verizon are very definitely competitors.
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Re: Capital expenditures as % of revenues is the key

Right, but that was my point. Verizon is spending money, and thus turning a lower return, so that they can beef up their network. AT&T is sitting back doing nothing (or little to nothing) and thus showing better returns. If the two companies competed for sales, to where the money VZ was spending would eat into the customer base of AT&T, it might balance out.
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Re: Capital expenditures as % of revenues is the key

said by Camelot One See Profile :

Verizon is spending money, and thus turning a lower return, so that they can beef up their network. AT&T is sitting back doing nothing (or little to nothing) and thus showing better returns.
The main thing that matters to investors is EPS. And Verizon is still beating AT&T there.

Verizon EPS - 51 to 56 cents/share depending on special items
AT&T EPS - 45 to 46 cents/share depending on special items
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Re: Capital expenditures as % of revenues is the key

Another thing to consider is what will be the need of either company to raise money in the equity markets in the near to mid future. I'd say, not very great, since further acquisitions will be legislative & political minefields.

This means they only need to be able to re-finance their unsecured debt, where EPS is secondary to interest coverage and cash flow. As long as they can maintain their credit ratings/metrics then neither company will have short term worries.

Long term, AT&T will be in trouble, unless they see a game changing technology coming down the pipes (some type of wireless) that they're going to leap frog the entire wired network paradigm with. Somehow I think whitacre hasn't been interested in looking that far, seeing as how he's not going to be there.
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Re: Capital expenditures as % of revenues is the key

That all depends. Verizon made the correct technological decision without a doubt, however ATT may have very well have made the correct economical decision. IF ATT gets similar take rates for u-verse as verizon get for fios, the winner is going to be ATT by a large margin as they spent far less.

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Re: Capital expenditures as % of revenues is the key

said by cwh See Profile :

That all depends. Verizon made the correct technological decision without a doubt, however ATT may have very well have made the correct economical decision. IF ATT gets similar take rates for u-verse as verizon get for fios, the winner is going to be ATT by a large margin as they spent far less.
at&t has a similar set up as their competitors CATV. If at&t had to compete with Verizon they would be in deep doo doo.
Ahrenl

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You're still thinking in the next 1-5 years time frame. It can take 20 years to rebuild a national network. Once people are used to streaming 50 different HD streams at the same time they're not going to sign up for a copper based network.

AT&T's only hope is that Fiber becomes 2nd generation before copper becomes obsolete. Or they'll completely change their strategy with their CEO.

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said by Camelot One See Profile :

So AT&T really has nothing to fear from Verizon offering a better/faster/cheaper product, and their earnings are in no way effected by it.
i think the AT&T and Verizon comparison is a great comparison of different strategies for running a company: short term profits vs. long term viability.

cable will eat AT&T's lunch in a few years. waiting...

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As much as Verizon EPS is sweeter, my own sentiment is to sell Verizon and buy AT&T
To me when expenditures jump higher and profit fall, red lights start going off in my head. I have to confess I more cynical since the dot com bust when to much emphasis was placed on growth and none on expenditures and profitability. I been told too many times by companies to ignore their expresses (oh excuse me capital investment) and look into the future for some pie in the sky profitability just to see the company go bust.

If I were the CEO I would never had put money into Fiber until I am sure I can reach maximum penetration of the market. For me is no fiber in the ground until we can reach both single occupancy home AND multi-dweller units. I also would drop the idea of become a media company. Instead, I would sell connections to other companies to provide video and cable services to my customers, leaving it to them to handle franchising and dealing with media providers like Viacom. I would put my effort in improving the network.

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Re: Capital expenditures as % of revenues is the key

said by richardpor See Profile :

As much as Verizon EPS is sweeter, my own sentiment is to sell Verizon and buy AT&T
......................................................................I would sell connections to other companies to provide video and cable services to my customers, leaving it to them to handle franchising and dealing with media providers like Viacom. I would put my effort in improving the network.
Buy low sell high is correct.

Letting the leaches in when Verizon spent so much money killing them is incorrect.
grays

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verizon in new jersey have to rent out copper not fiber.figure it out.one day all those companies who rent copper will be told the plant is yours were outa here.they will go under fast.just watch.

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WRONG!!!! Cap. Exp. does not mean reinvesting of money from revenue. It means reinvesting of funds from any source such as loans and such.
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I was one of the 2nd quarters new adds

This is a great service so far

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Re: I was one of the 2nd quarters new adds

Well I'm gonna have FIOS when I move to my new apartment June 1. I can't wait!

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Think of the widows and orphans.

at&t have and Verizon have similar share price of about 38.5 dollars a share. Verizon paid a dividend of 25 cents a share more than at&t.

How much of a dividend do CATV companies pay?
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Re: Think of the widows and orphans.

Those two telecos are paying dividends from their regulated monopoly landline services and, to some extent, their wireless service, which still account for the bulk of their revenue and cash flow. Verizon certainly isn't getting any positive cash flow net of capital expenditures from their broadband FiOS operations and won't do so for the next few years.

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Re: Think of the widows and orphans.

said by cracker 52 See Profile :

Those two telecos are paying dividends from their regulated monopoly landline services and, to some extent, their wireless service, which still account for the bulk of their revenue and cash flow. Verizon certainly isn't getting any positive cash flow net of capital expenditures from their broadband FiOS operations and won't do so for the next few years.
Both pay a dividend on a share of stock. That share represents the entire company not just parts of it. It is a legacy hold over from days gone by. Nether company has to pay a dividend.
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Re: Think of the widows and orphans.

I was referring to your comments about CATV not paying dividends. My point is that the telecos aren't doing so either from their broadband/TV service operations.

The telecos do want to pay dividends if they want their stock prices to stay at the current levels and be able to keep attracting investors.
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bad moves

Verizon is inching up the POTS bills slowly but surely.. surcharges here, USF fund "donation" increase there.. and my Verizon POTS freedom value + one calling feature grand total $60.48 (new york). I'm not very happy when the FCC line surcharge went from $5 to $6 to $6.50, USF fund adds another $.50-.55 to the bill, and it IS a bitter pill that erodes the value "$39.99 + $4.50 additional calling feature" equal $60.48?!? WTF!!!!
Too bad it hurts their bottom line customers are no pushovers.. it's the peoples money and they are voting with their wallets! Grand total of price gouging $15.99!!

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Re: bad moves

do you think verizon makes money off of your fcc line charge?yell at the govt. not verizon.cable raises its bills every year not verizon.

Rob A
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And they will continue to grow...

Verizon will continue to grow and dominate with low priced dsl and fios.
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