 1 edit | Caps This is probably why they are strict at capping bandwidth. When they release 3.0 DOCSIS, they will probably increase the cap size. | |
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 |  ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium join:2006-12-29 Corona, CA | Re: Caps Or drop it all together; leaving the wording in the TOS/AUP but simply not enforcing it. | |
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 |  |  | | Re: Caps said by ColorBASIC:Or drop it all together; leaving the wording in the TOS/AUP but simply not enforcing it. Good luck with that. | |
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 |  |  |  en102Canadian, eh? join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Re: Caps Expect a more expensive cable bill due to 'programming charges' | |
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 |  |  BloodRosesAeolus, your daughter flies.Premium join:2003-03-17 Louisville, KY 1 edit | Or changing it from 200 GB to 20, still leaving their wording vague and meaningless. They sell speed, not capacity... right? -- Cheers, Stephanie - www.GlitterFaerie.com | |
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 |  |  |  JTRockvilleData HoPremium,MVM join:2002-01-28 Rockville, MD | Re: Caps They're selling the ability for data flow to and from your site to your destination. How can you sell speed, without the capacity for something to travel at that speed? | |
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 |  |  |  |  ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium join:2006-12-29 Corona, CA | Re: Caps Easy...cancel anyone who uses the speed for anything other than email and surfing. | |
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 |  | | Sure. Right after they set off on a Grail Quest, preceded by a formation of pigs taking off from in front of Comcast Headquarters. | |
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 | | Fibre Where's all the fibre fanboys? | |
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 |  ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium join:2006-12-29 Corona, CA 2 edits | Re: Fibre Probably jerkin it to a picture of a Tellabs 1600-611 | |
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 |  |  morboComplete Your Transaction join:2002-01-22 00000 1 edit | Re: Fibre to a hayes 300 baud modem, over here. good times! | |
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 |  dr2500 join:2005-09-09 Lancaster, PA | I'm here! DOCSIS better make it to 6.0 before we start comparing it to Fibre!!  | |
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 |  |  LokerPremium join:2004-07-11 Fargo, ND | Re: Fibre said by dr2500:I'm here! DOCSIS better make it to 6.0 before we start comparing it to Fibre!! No. -- "While preceding your entrance with a grenade is a good tactic inQuake, it can lead to problems if attempted at work." -- C Hacking | |
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 |  |  |  |  ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium join:2006-12-29 Corona, CA 1 edit | Verizon's ONT can do about 600Mbps down and 155Mbps up according to Tellabs. Video is listed as being a different 'channel' on the Tellabs site so I don't know if the video is included in the 600+Mb capacity or if that 600Mb would be for all of the other non-video services they could offer. DOCSIS3 would have to bond quite a few channels to get that throughput. In any event neither Comcast nor Verizon are going to offer services that will saturate DOCSIS3 or the current FiOS ONT any time soon. DOCSIS3 will be plenty to compete with fiber for the foreseeable future. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  dr2500 join:2005-09-09 Lancaster, PA | Re: Fibre DOCSIS 3.0 is not gigabit. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium join:2006-12-29 Corona, CA 2 edits | Re: Fibre Neither is Verizon's ONT according to Tellabs who makes at least some of the ONTs Verizon uses (1600 series). Like cable, the fiber in the street isn't the restriction...it's the equipment on each end. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  dr2500 join:2005-09-09 Lancaster, PA | Re: Fibre True...But with GPON being deployed that will change. I'm a Comcast user and can't wait for the deployment of 3.0 and all the new services that come along with it like smart home monitoring. 3.0 will be a good thing for the cable industry. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium join:2006-12-29 Corona, CA | Re: Fibre And then cablelabs will cert something new to counter it.
But for us, it's what the consumers are actually seeing that matters. Brian Roberts can crow all he wants about DOCSIS3 but I'll believe it when I see it and support it when it's not being followed with more nastygrams to customers who would dare actually use it. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  patcat88 join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY kudos:1 | said by ColorBASIC:Verizon's ONT can do about 600Mbps down and 155Mbps up according to Tellabs. Video is listed as being a different 'channel' on the Tellabs site so I don't know if the video is included in the 600+Mb capacity or if that 600Mb would be for all of the other non-video services they could offer. DOCSIS3 would have to bond quite a few channels to get that throughput. In any event neither Comcast nor Verizon are going to offer services that will saturate DOCSIS3 or the current FiOS ONT any time soon. DOCSIS3 will be plenty to compete with fiber for the foreseeable future. VOD is IP and eats at the 622, and that 622/155 is shared with upto 32 users (more like 8 in real world 1.5-1.25 fibers per family/house, and only 10-20% of users who are passed subscribe). | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium join:2006-12-29 Corona, CA | Re: Fibre I thought that the network terminal box (622/155) was a per house device. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  patcat88 join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY kudos:1 | Re: Fibre said by ColorBASIC:I thought that the network terminal box (622/155) was a per house device. Remember with a PON (passive optical network), the fiber is split upto 32 customers/families/accounts/houses. Its similar to cable HFC, but the ratios (1:32) couples with thearetically "infinity/32" bandwidth per house makes FIOS/a PON, much much better than HFC. | |
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 |  tlcbob join:2001-07-11 Harrisburg, PA | Fiber Fanboy here! Already have FIOS at 15/2 for $39.95.
Just as Cable goes 16M - FIOS will "Flip the switch" to 30 or 50 Meg. Maybe even symmetrical!!
Look out cable - your technology is limited, based on your wire! | |
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 |  |  imrfPremium join:2002-06-06 Utica, MI | Re: Fibre said by tlcbob:Look out cable - your technology is limited, based on your wire! No it's not. | |
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 |  |  ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium join:2006-12-29 Corona, CA 1 edit | said by tlcbob:Fiber Fanboy here! Already have FIOS at 15/2 for $39.95. Just as Cable goes 16M - FIOS will "Flip the switch" to 30 or 50 Meg. Maybe even symmetrical!! Look out cable - your technology is limited, based on your wire! And DOCSIS 3 cable operators will 'flip the switch' too. DOCSIS3 and current fiber HW from the likes of Verizon are similar in capability. The 1600 series ONTs can do around 600Mb down and 155Mb up and with channel bonding DOCSIS3 should be able to do that and possibly more.
Question is which will actually happen first; wide DOCSIS 3 deployment or flying pigs. | |
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 |  |  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ kudos:4 | said by tlcbob:Fiber Fanboy here! Already have FIOS at 15/2 for $39.95. Just as Cable goes 16M - FIOS will "Flip the switch" to 30 or 50 Meg. Maybe even symmetrical!! Look out cable - your technology is limited, based on your wire! They'll NEVER do symmetrical on res service, that would hurt VZs LUCRATIVE biz packages. -- You can never be too rich, too thin or have too much Bandwidth | |
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 |  |  |  ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium join:2006-12-29 Corona, CA | Re: Fibre Why? They don't share availability (in that biz can't get res services). They already have price differences for identical services between res and biz. | |
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 |  |  |  tlcbob join:2001-07-11 Harrisburg, PA | Actually, I looked into FIOS for business and the major difference is CSR (committed service rate) - the amount of guaranteed uptime. Basically, you pay for priority service - makes sense. | |
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 |  |  | | Poor Local Cable Co.....Verizon will act like Cable's older brother....Verizon will be holding the cookie above Cable's head just enough so cable can't reach it. Now matter what Cabel does, Fiber will ALWAYS be better as it is the wire of the future. | |
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 |  |  |  | | Re: Fibre said by DaBavarian:Poor Local Cable Co.....Verizon will act like Cable's older brother....Verizon will be holding the cookie above Cable's head just enough so cable can't reach it. Now matter what Cabel does, Fiber will ALWAYS be better as it is the wire of the future. Lol..fanboy's. Good Stuff.
You think you have it all down pat huh? Got some inside info?
Oh yea...Fiber is not a 'wire'. lol
Educate yourself before pushing it. | |
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 |  |  | | You might be right on Verizon flipping the swith but with only 122Mbps per 32 customers you can only get close to 4Mbps upload. Verizon will not be doing a 1x32 split to accomplish that. Cable companies are looking at the Docsis 3.0 along with spectrum overlay. A test was completed in Canada a few months ago and they were able to do 142Mbps symmetrical to the customers home. | |
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 | | switched digital video? How long before you get caped for watching to much tv? Will PVP uses face the same thing? | |
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 Defiance82Computer ElitePremium join:2002-09-11 Burlington, WI | Pfft Pfft and half the nation is still on DOCSIS 1.x. They should upgrade the old crap first.. -- Programming is like sex. One mistake - endless support. | |
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 |  CjaicemanPremium,MVM join:2004-10-12 Parker, CO kudos:2 | Re: Pfft said by Defiance82:Pfft and half the nation is still on DOCSIS 1.x. They should upgrade the old crap first.. The reason that they are still on 1.x is because with 3.0 right around the corner, why should they upgrade to 2.0? On the other side is there is little to no competition so they don't have to raise speeds. Recently FiOS has become a threat to some so they are now upgrading to keep their customers.
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Our forum users have sloshed through the rumors and Comcast tech whispers, with their best guess on the first trial speeds being something like 16Mbps/2Mbps this June, in Denver. COME ON BABY, BRING THE 16/2 TO DENVER!!!! "can't sleep, clowns will eat me..." | |
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 |  |  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ kudos:4 | Re: Pfft said by Cjaiceman:said by Defiance82:Pfft and half the nation is still on DOCSIS 1.x. They should upgrade the old crap first.. The reason that they are still on 1.x is because with 3.0 right around the corner, why should they upgrade to 2.0? On the other side is there is little to no competition so they don't have to raise speeds. Recently FiOS has become a threat to some so they are now upgrading to keep their customers. said by Article :
Our forum users have sloshed through the rumors and Comcast tech whispers, with their best guess on the first trial speeds being something like 16Mbps/2Mbps this June, in Denver. COME ON BABY, BRING THE 16/2 TO DENVER!!!! "can't sleep, clowns will eat me..." heck the current network can handle that! I would want at least 25000/15000 before having to buy new hardware(modem). -- You can never be too rich, too thin or have too much Bandwidth | |
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 |  | | Our cable system was at 2.0, but then Comcast bought it and rolled it back to 1.x. Go figure. | |
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 | | Docsis 3.0 speed What speeds can Docsis 3.0 attain? | |
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 |  |  LokerPremium join:2004-07-11 Fargo, ND | Re: Docsis 3.0 speed just to add to TCH...you get 160 Mbps downstream on one channel and then 120 Mbps upstream on a second channel. They can take that and double it by adding an additional upstream and downstream channel which makes it 320/240...then they can add another 480/360 and they can do that as many times as they want as long as they have the RF spectrum available...thank God for channel bonding! -- "While preceding your entrance with a grenade is a good tactic inQuake, it can lead to problems if attempted at work." -- C Hacking | |
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 |  |  |  ChainzzAka Snippy join:2004-07-26 Sarnia, ON | Re: Docsis 3.0 speed said by Loker:said by Linklist:just to add to TCH...you get 160 Mbps downstream on one channel and then 120 Mbps upstream on a second channel. They can take that and double it by adding an additional upstream and downstream channel which makes it 320/240...then they can add another 480/360 and they can do that as many times as they want as long as they have the RF spectrum available...thank God for channel bonding! You stand correct....now look at it this way! 1ghz network / 6 mhz for channel spacing = about 166 channels now do the math on the bandwidth! -- Truth has one destination, But many paths! | |
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 TechieZeroTools Are Using MePremium join:2002-01-25 Gibsonton, FL | Cool... ...They can oversubscribe a larger area with this.  | |
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 |  fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | Re: Cool... said by TechieZero:...They can oversubscribe a larger area with this. I'm assuming you didn't read the statement placed out? or just having a little fun in a discussion forum?
"On top of DOCSIS 3.0 upgrades, the company will use node splits, digital optimization, "bandwidth hog" caps and switched digital video (SDV) to manage bandwidth."
.. all pretty useful information for expansion plans except for Karl's usual slant and spin. -- "Complaining is the least path of resistance for the self-reitchous and lazy..." | |
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| it's not gonna keep me from switching comcast can do anything they want, when FIOS is available in my area I'm dropping comcast broadband like a hot potato.
They have one chance to keep my business: match or exceed FIOS speed at a lower price. And I mean $5 or $10/month lower, not $0.50 or $1 lower. Even then I might not stay with comcast. | |
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 |  | | Re: it's not gonna keep me from switching I woke up this morning to no internet connection. I had an AMBIT 6067, the black flat one with Comcast on the front of it. I called Comcast and they said I had to return the modem for a new one. I was curious as to why, when my net connection was working last night. The tech said they were upgrading the area and some of the modems weren't taking new config files. So I returned the AMBIT 6067 and got a black Motorola Surfboard SB5120. When I got it home, they pushed a new config file, and I was back online. I had a bit of trouble getting the router to work, but unplugging both for a minute and plugging them back in modem first, then router, then booting the PC fixed it.
I'm curious as to what I'm being upgraded to, since I already have the 8MB service.
How do I see the new configuration and does anyone know of any free speed increases in the works besides Powerboost?
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 axus join:2001-06-18 Washington, DC | sweet ;p Glad to hear that FIOS will get some competition. Then both companies will have to compete on other things, like data caps and customer service. | |
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 |  | | Re: sweet ;p Just look at Phyflex or the old Narad Networks. Hear it kicks butt! | |
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 |  | | ANyone look at Phyflex (old Narad Networks)? | |
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 | | I'm no Comcast fanboy but this is good It will force FTTH from Att and other players I say bring it on | |
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 |  RobIn Deo speramus.Premium join:2001-08-25 Kendall, FL kudos:3 | Re: I'm no Comcast fanboy but this is good said by odreian615:It will force FTTH from Att and other players I say bring it on yea ahahhahaha don't make me laugh. -- YourIP.US - It's Your IP .. and more! rr.cx - Personal Site.. coming soon. | |
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 dr2500 join:2005-09-09 Lancaster, PA | Remember A poorly designed network is not always an easy one to fix. | |
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 | | why +do they need 16/2 for docsis 3? They dont need docsis 3 to do 16/2 . Cablevision is doing 15/2 with docsis 1.1 and 30/2 with docsis 2.0 | |
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 |  ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium join:2006-12-29 Corona, CA | Re: why +do they need 16/2 for docsis 3? They can't do 8/768 without cancelling people who actually use the service as it is and those who are willing to pay for faster speeds like 30Mb are more likely to be those who would use it. | |
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 |  |  Irish SharkPlay Like A Champion TodayPremium,MVM join:2000-07-29 Las Vegas, NV kudos:4 | Re: why +do they need 16/2 for docsis 3? There are zip, zero, niltch, nada reports by any one on BOOST who has been capped or cancelled. -- "You can observe a lot by watching". Yogi Berra | |
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 |  |  |  ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium join:2006-12-29 Corona, CA 1 edit | Re: why +do they need 16/2 for docsis 3? There are plenty of instances of Comcast cancelling HSI users for excessive use. There is no indication that boost provisioned areas are immune from TOS/AUP enforcement and Comcast is known for having periods of time where no enforcement seems to occur just to have it start up again. | |
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 batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ | A bandage for a gaping wound. quote: On top of DOCSIS 3.0 upgrades, the company will use node splits, digital optimization, "bandwidth hog" caps and switched digital video (SDV) to manage bandwidth.
Broadband usages and needs are now increasing along with PC power. The only network that can keep pace is Fiber To The Premise. | |
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 Rob AJets AFC ChampionshipPremium join:2005-01-17 Pompton Plains, NJ | Right... I doubt they are successful at this. | |
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 |  JTRockvilleData HoPremium,MVM join:2002-01-28 Rockville, MD | Re: Right... Depends on how you measure success. Comcast's customers are their shareholders, and that's who they aim to please. The folks who use Comcast products/services are subscribers, and they generally not too satisfied. »articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Sa···ame.aspx
As long as Roberts keeps painting a rosy picture for investors, I think they'll keep their customers satisfied. Though I agree with your assessment when it comes to Comcast subscribers. | |
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 |  |  | | Re: Right... said by JTRockville:Depends on how you measure success. Comcast's customers are their shareholders, and that's who they aim to please. The folks who use Comcast products/services are subscribers, and they generally not too satisfied. » articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Sa···ame.aspxAs long as Roberts keeps painting a rosy picture for investors, I think they'll keep their customers satisfied. Though I agree with your assessment when it comes to Comcast subscribers. Well, by that, I'm a customer and a subscriber. 
And do you think the investors only listen to Roberts?
There is always going to be customers unsatisfied..goes with the territory. | |
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