 | | . Umm hello, cheapo lady. You're probably calling an 800 number first, entering your pin, then the number. Get a prepaid phone card where you dial a local number. Dialing the 800 number first is where the problem is.
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 |  DaSneaky1Done wall to block them allPremium,MVM join:2001-03-29 The Lou Reviews:
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| Re: . How is a 72 year old lady being cheap? If anything, she's being smart by trying to spend her (likely limited) money wisely. Obviously she doesn't make many phone calls, so why should she spend $30 or more per month when she can spend that much over 2 to 3 months.
Also, if local access prepaid phone cards were easy for a 72 year old to conveniently find, I'm sure she may have....but, considering that "phone service is phone service", why would she even know to look for that. -- :: my trivial ramblings :: | |
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 |  |  |  jp10558Premium join:2005-06-24 Willseyville, NY | Re: . I suppose it depends on how savvy you are, but there are "online" calling cards (that is, you use credit/debit card to purchase online + get # + Pin) like Tel3 or Onesuite and charge a flat $0.03/min anywhere in the lower 48 states, it can be instate or out of state. This is with a 800#.
Your local telephone company (with a non monthly fee LD on the line) can't charge for an 800# (or I've never heard of such a thing). So It still comes down to picking a good calling card - but you don't usually pay 8x for a 800 access number. -- Opera 9.2(Build 8771); Windows XP Pro SP2;Athlon 64 X2 4600+; 2.5GB PC3200 DDR; 1M/128k DSL; NOD32(Version 2.5.25); Outpost Pro 3;Proxomitron 4.5j Grypen 4/15/07(Opera mod),GPG ID:0x0A1C6EE3 | |
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I understand life-line service (calling 911 and such). | |
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| Re: . said by rradina:Why would CA provide unlimited local call phone service for poor people? I'm not against helping poor folks but what's the thought process behind subsidizing phone service in this manner? I understand life-line service (calling 911 and such). Because AT&T West rocks! I'm on their measured rate because I don't use my landline whatsoever except for DSL. Close enough to naked-DSL. Cheaper than actual naked-DSL too.
Cingular ftw btw! -- defcon888@gmail.com send me spam! | |
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I consider income disadvantaged people as those who cannot provide for themselves the basic necessities (food, shelter, medical care). Because the general public (i.e. the government) likes to consider itself humane, social programs are available to help these people. The last time I checked these programs don't guarantee friends, family, love or a job. If these things aren't guaranteed, what good is a phone beyond life-line service? Why would CA do this? | |
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Poor poeple need a lot more than Internet access. They need to improve their situation through education and obtaining a better job. Granted, some won't be qualified for better work regardless of the program but Internet access? | |
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 |  72276539Premium join:2001-01-19 Atlanta, GA | said by ninjatutle:Umm hello, cheapo lady. You're probably calling an 800 number first, entering your pin, then the number. Get a prepaid phone card where you dial a local number. Dialing the 800 number first is where the problem is. But you're probably not a BBr member anyways, so all this info is useless to you Completely wrong, the rate is controlled by the rate plan that is attached to the PIN. While some cards will have different rates between TFN access and local access there are others that don't have any difference. It's on a rate plan by rate plan basis, -- RIP Dimebag- August 20, 1966 to December 8th, 2004. | |
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 |  |  |  72276539Premium join:2001-01-19 Atlanta, GA | Re: . said by ninjatutle:I had someone call my place via a calling card once. I was LD and the caller ID said VOIP. I think the no name cards can bypass all the taxation via VOIP lines. I dunno how they operate but I'm guessing thats how they keep the fees down. I can tell you don't know how they operate. Wholesale VOIP is typically cheaper then SS7 termination but its also crappier and finding a provider worth a damned is tough. Rate plans are the key here though, how they are accessed is not. Only difference comes into play for the mandating payphone fee so payphone operators still get some money from the call, fee came into being because payphones are charged for every call.. even TFN's. -- RIP Dimebag- August 20, 1966 to December 8th, 2004. | |
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 |  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK | It matters NOT that this person is poor, rich, cheap, generous, a he or she, old, young, yadda yadda yadda. That's all classic misdirection.
What matters is this practice is DISHONEST and a RIP-OFF and AT&T should be smacked upside the head--- hard. -- "Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!) | |
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 |  leXicon5Pelosi, SHUT YOUR Fing Pie HolePremium join:2000-12-27 Saint Louis, MO 1 edit | I guess the entire thing got by that turtle brain. Ummm....hellloooo....you pay for 800 minutes and get 100....that's called theft. They said it was cause they were forced to....but they lied. So two wrongs don't make a right, three lefts do. Must be nice to have SOOOO much money that you don't care who's taking it.
Send some here....I'll spend it for you. -- Hey Sharpton, you racist ...when are you going to apologize to the Duke Lacrosse team, Tawana Brawley Hoax, Crown Heights, Steve Pagonas, Freddy's Fashion Mart . . . ?? Even your hom | |
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 ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium join:2006-12-29 Corona, CA | Customers will just flee Notice to ILECs...in case you didn't notice you have competitors now. | |
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 |  |  en102Canadian, eh? join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Re: Customers will just flee What ticks me off lately is Bell Canada routing calls to the U.S. through other companies... my caller-ID is useless for these calls 50% of the time as it shows a local / unknown name number for these calls. -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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 MysticGogetaThe Robot DevilPremium join:2005-03-14 League City, TX | I like pots but.. The price is what grabs me if they would lower their prices. Lets say 29.99 a month for unlimited long distance and local with caller ID I would defiantly jump right in even if Vonage is cheaper. When our power went out during Hurricane Rita we hooked up an old phone that runs off the power from pots and sure enough it worked. -- Team Discovery-Join the fight | |
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 | | I've heard about this crap My grandmother-in-law can attest to this garbage. She has a stack of pre-paid AT&T long distance cards that she uses to call her grandchildren. Recently she noticed her cards minutes were disappearing at an insane rate, and contacted AT&T to ask what the hell was going on, and their response was exactly this. What a wonderful racket. My only question is: How can I cash in on this bait-and-switch financial market?
(PS: I'm waiting for our resident conservatives to explain how this is a non-story, just capitalism at work, if she's dissatisfied with AT&T go somewhere else, market forces at work, blah blah vomit...) -- Burrow owl...burrow owl... | |
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 |  | | Re: I've heard about this crap said by CrazyFingers : I'm waiting for our resident conservatives to explain how this is a non-story, ..., if she's dissatisfied with AT&T go somewhere else,
Are you really trying to tell me that she shouldn't start purchasing calling cards from somewhere else? This problem obviously requires government intervention because of AT&Ts monopoly over the calling card market. | |
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 |  |  72276539Premium join:2001-01-19 Atlanta, GA | Re: I've heard about this crap said by Yauch: said by CrazyFingers : I'm waiting for our resident conservatives to explain how this is a non-story, ..., if she's dissatisfied with AT&T go somewhere else,
Are you really trying to tell me that she shouldn't start purchasing calling cards from somewhere else? This problem obviously requires government intervention because of AT&Ts monopoly over the calling card market. AT&T does not have a frackin monopoly on the calling card market.  -- RIP Dimebag- August 20, 1966 to December 8th, 2004. | |
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Still waiting. -- Burrow owl...burrow owl... | |
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 |  |  |  72276539Premium join:2001-01-19 Atlanta, GA | Re: I've heard about this crap said by CrazyFingers:No, I'm waiting for someone to come up with a rational argument that what AT&T is doing is fair and right. Still waiting. So what is your idea? Put AT&T out of business? -- RIP Dimebag- August 20, 1966 to December 8th, 2004. | |
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 |  |  |  |  | | Re: I've heard about this crap said by 72276539:So what is your idea? Put AT&T out of business? Yes. That's my idea. See where I typed that? It's a good thing I typed that, because if I hadn't, and you were just making crap up that I never said, you'd look like a bit of an asshat. But I obviously typed that, somewhere,so it's ok.
*sigh*...
Perhaps...and this is just a WILD idea, I know.... But, perhaps AT&T should only charge one minute for every one minute used? -- Burrow owl...burrow owl... | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  72276539Premium join:2001-01-19 Atlanta, GA | Re: I've heard about this crap said by CrazyFingers:said by 72276539:So what is your idea? Put AT&T out of business? Yes. That's my idea. See where I typed that? It's a good thing I typed that, because if I hadn't, and you were just making crap up that I never said, you'd look like a bit of an asshat. But I obviously typed that, somewhere,so it's ok. *sigh*... Perhaps...and this is just a WILD idea, I know.... But, perhaps AT&T should only charge one minute for every one minute used? And how to account for the payphone fee? -- RIP Dimebag- August 20, 1966 to December 8th, 2004. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: I've heard about this crap Where did I say anything about a payphone?
Did you even read the article? The term "payphone" does not appear anywhere in it. I'm talking about from a residential telephone. You know, like the article we're supposed to be discussing.
(Please note that since I'm currently eating lunch, I won't have much room left for all the words you keep insisting on putting in my mouth.) -- Burrow owl...burrow owl... | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  72276539Premium join:2001-01-19 Atlanta, GA | Re: I've heard about this crap said by CrazyFingers:Where did I say anything about a payphone? Did you even read the article? The term "payphone" does not appear anywhere in it. I'm talking about from a residential telephone. You know, like the article we're supposed to be discussing. (Please note that since I'm currently eating lunch, I won't have much room left for all the words you keep insisting on putting in my mouth.) Payphone fee must be taken into account w/rate plans. Doesn't matter if its from a landline or not, its still in a rate plan and has an affect on rates. Nowhere was I putting words in your mouth, it is rather obvious you know little about calling cards. -- RIP Dimebag- August 20, 1966 to December 8th, 2004. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  tapeloopNot bad at all, really.Premium join:2004-06-27 Airstrip One kudos:1 | Re: I've heard about this crap said by PaulHikeS2:OK, I'll bite. I'll even admit I know little/nothing about calling cards. Why must a payphone fee be taken into account with rate plans? Calling from a landline to another landline, how can payphones and their fees have anything at all to do with what I'm charged using a calling card? Yeah, I'm scratching my head at that one too. I doubt this lady has a payphone in her house...
Methinks someones got the propane canisters charged and ready to go.
Article excerpt, if anyone's interested:
said by dispatch:She says the change is not a rate increase. "It's a reclassification," Ray said. She also insisted that the company's calling card rates are regulated by Missouri. Actually, nobody regulates the calling card rates. Missouri hasn't regulated most phone company rates for several years, says Wess Henderson, executive director of the state Public Service Commission in Jefferson City. The PSC even stopped auditing AT&T's books, since the company no longer has to get permission to raise rates. "The PSC does not regulate the prepaid (calling) cards," Henderson says. Neither do federal regulators. "Calling card rates aren't regulated. Period," says Mark Wigfield of the FCC. Long story short, AT&T hiked their rates, didn't tell anyone, and blamed it on the gubmint.
Solution: dump AT&T's calling cards like a hot cliche. -- I cannot stand demagoguery. If you disagree with my stance, you're a blithering twit. You're not a twit, are you? | |
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It seems pretty straight forward:
AT&T is ripping off consumers, and blaming it on non-existent regulations. This is among several reasons that "The Office of Public Counsel, the state agency that represents Missouri consumers, last month asked the PSC to reconsider its ruling allowing deregulation of AT&T rates."
I think your rabid defense of a rather indefensible position smells like industry shilling. -- Burrow owl...burrow owl... | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: I've heard about this crap Wow. There's the money quote. May we see more of such things(and quotes, especially followed by actions) in the months and years ahead.
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 |  |  |  |  |  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK | said by CrazyFingers:Perhaps...and this is just a WILD idea, I know.... But, perhaps AT&T should only charge one minute for every one minute used? ....but....but.... That would be FAIR and HONEST!! I mean how can they afford $155 million dollar CEO packages if they act in a fair and just way??!?
This is no different then AT&T jacking the rates on international calls to $5-$10 a minute without warning. Then when you get burned and call them to verify the bill they tell you it's all good because the prices per minute are published somewhere on a website that's buried 50 pages deep. "For all to see".... /sigh
Then they have the gall to try and sell you an international rate plan while you're still on the phone angry about the massive overcharges. Poor employees, what evil sales manager thought that idea up. -- "Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!) | |
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 |  Dydion join:2001-03-07 Baton Rouge, LA | Re: In-state long distance is criminal Well geez...they have to come up with SOME kind of way to pay the salaries/retirement/bonuses/slush funds of those CEOs and VPs trying to live a comfortable life and better than you and me.
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When asked "Then what happens when someone who lives on a city border and has 847 and calls the person across the street who is in the 312 area code? Wouldn't that also be long distance according to what you said?" I got this reply: Yes, because the call has to go much farther than across the street to get to the person.'
As for the 1 minute costing 3-8 minutes, AT&T has just gone back to the reason I dumped them when I had a pre-paid calling plan. I would make a call from a location solidly in the middle of Chicago and would get charged 17 minutes for a 45 second ATTEMPTED call (no answer) because I was roaming and not in my service area. When I called AT&T customer service they told me that my 3 month old phone was the problem and that I needed to upgrade to the new phone, which was, incidentally the same make and model of phone that I had, but they wanted $180 for it.
Its all money grubbing CEOs that need another new car because the one they have now has over 100 miles on it. -- I've discovered that I often visit the state of confusion, and I know my way around pretty well. | |
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 |  KearnstdElf WizardPremium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ | its still the same state. distance doesnt matter as states have a single telco nowdays. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
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 |  |  sivranOpera convertPremium join:2003-09-15 Arlington, TX kudos:1 | Re: In-state long distance is criminal said by Kearnstd:its still the same state. distance doesnt matter as states have a single telco nowdays. May be true in some states, but not all. -- Think outside the fox...Seamonkey | |
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 Michieru2zzz zzz zzzPremium join:2005-01-28 Miami, FL | ... Screw them, higher prices on just basic phone service and those who simply do not use the service get penalized?
It's like being penalized for not using data services on a cellphone, it's ridiculous. I am cancelling AT&T, my DSL from Speakeasy, and moving to cable internet, and possibly just move the home phone number to the cell.
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 morboComplete Your Transaction join:2002-01-22 00000 | insatiable greed
AT&T is out to make the most money possible, whatever the cost. if that means interpreting the "law" to favor them, they will do so.
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| I'm so glad That I do not have to deal with things like this...
Ah the joy of having a cellular telephone with a rock solid and easy to understand calling plan...
If cell phone people can do it, if VOIP people can do it, why can't "humpty dumpty" make a simple and easy to understand plan???
Everybody gets screwed by them it seems like. I know from seeing my dad's bills way back that I would not want to have them for a phone company...
He used to get insane bills for using his (NOT prepaid) calling card, almost $8 for the initial connection!!! This was supposed to make calling from ANYWHERE easier??? ...Easier for them to make money I guess...
Now that he has a cell, he's SAVING money because the overall bill for that thing is CHEAPER than the few times he'd try using his (worthless?) card.
Seriously, the infrastructure has to be mostly paid for by now... how can making a phone call cost so much these days??? Oh, that's right, top people are more important than any other people and they deserve hugely stupid amounts of money.
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 ogar join:2001-12-05 Ephrata, PA | VOIP This is why my parents recently switched to VOIP. They had no intention of switching until verizon added 5.00 long distance to there bill. When she called to ask why they said she did not opt out of the service. The last bill she recieved said they where going to add long distance if you did not call in to opt out. | |
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 shollingPremium join:2002-02-13 Hemet, CA kudos:1 | Class Action Time... Sounds like a wonderful class action suit. If these are AT&T cards then minutes are minutes and overcharging = consumer fraud. With little old ladies as victims the courts would slap AT&T silly. | |
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 |  DerwoodWherever you go, there you arePremium join:2003-01-21 Dayton, OH Reviews:
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| Re: Class Action Time... I know you mean well, but class action suits only accomplish 2 things:
1: Line pockets of attorneys
2: Slap on wrist of offender
They never ever have the intended effect of righting the wrongs done to hundreds or thousands of people. I've been in 2 or 3 against Ameritech/SBC/AT&T over the years and never ever have I been compensated for squat. | |
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 Rob AJets AFC ChampionshipPremium join:2005-01-17 Pompton Plains, NJ | Stupid AT&T What were they thinking? | |
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 |  Dude111An Awesome DudePremium join:2003-08-04 USA kudos:11 | Re: Stupid AT&T AT&T sucks (Along with verizon charging $2 for NOT USING LD) | |
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