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Land of Confusion
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Hercules, CA | Let me know... ... when I can get some of that! | |
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gate1975mlm
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Philadelphia, PA
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| Re: Let me know... said by dadkins  :... when I can get some of that! In 2008!  Maybe lol | |
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ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
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join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA | A few years...likely to areas Comcast faces stiff competition first, everyone else later. Wonder if we'll be seeing the weekly Comcast is redlining news that we saw/see with FiOS. | |
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Loker
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Fargo, ND
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| Re: Let me know... said by ColorBASIC :A few years...likely to areas Comcast faces stiff competition first, everyone else later. Wonder if we'll be seeing the weekly Comcast is redlining news that we saw/see with FiOS. Well Comcast has been confident that they will start rollout this year to certain areas (I am guessing areas with FIOS) and then having a very good portion of their network done in 2008...wasn't it 60% or something they were talking about?
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Michieru
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Miami, FL | Re: Let me know... if they say 60% they probably really mean only 30% or 40% as most deployments there are usually hurdles and other things along the way that could affect it.
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bigjimc
join:2003-04-21
Middleboro, MA | Day Late and Dollar Short FiOS people have spoken...
Although this may push up bandwidth or lower monthly fees(yeah right)
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ColorBASIC
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Corona, CA
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| Re: Day Late and Dollar Short Wow, and how many FiOS subs are there out of the millions upon millions of BB customers?
FiOS isn't a cure-all for anything, especially for those outside Verizon's service area.
All this FiOS fanboyism reminds me of the pre-capped OOL days when everyone was comparing everything to OOL..."Well my OOL is 10Mb, uR teh suk". Sure, great if you can get OOL.
Great if you can get FiOS. | |
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Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
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join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
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| Re: Day Late and Dollar Short said by ColorBASIC :Wow, and how many FiOS subs are there out of the millions upon millions of BB customers? FiOS isn't a cure-all for anything, especially for those outside Verizon's service area. All this FiOS fanboyism reminds me of the pre-capped OOL days when everyone was comparing everything to OOL..."Well my OOL is 10Mb, uR teh suk". Sure, great if you can get OOL. Great if you can get FiOS. Yea, and I won't mention about the caps that OOL started implementing either. Thats besides the point though.
I agree with what you are saying. I predict that a vast majority of comcast customers will be on 3.0 before FIOS is deployed nationally. Mainly because of the cost.
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Lindenhurst, NY | Re: Day Late and Dollar Short Yeah you forgot to mention that as of right now boost is not capped. | |
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ColorBASIC
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Corona, CA | Re: Day Late and Dollar Short Says who? Has the TOS/AUP been ammended? | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by ColorBASIC :FiOS isn't a cure-all for anything maybe fios isn't but FTTH implemented correctly is.[fibre is the future] copper/coax just needs to die already.
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Loker
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Fargo, ND
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| Re: Day Late and Dollar Short said by dvd536 :said by ColorBASIC :FiOS isn't a cure-all for anything maybe fios isn't but FTTH implemented correctly is.[fibre is the future] copper/coax just needs to die already. no it doesn't. Fiber will eventually be necessary but that is a long ways away. HFC networks are more than capable of handling bandwidth needs for at least the next 10 years, probably longer.
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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Phoenix, AZ
| said by bigjimc :Although this may push up bandwidth or lower monthly fees Cable bills DO NOT go down PERIOD!
Only thing docsis 3.0 is going to do is enable providers to load even more subs on a node.
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ColorBASIC
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Corona, CA
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May 7th, @11:47AM
| Re: If they can up speeds; does lack of FTTH matter? It matters in only a lack of wireline competition. Other than that no. DOCSIS 3 will bring the needed bandwidth to expand services. | |
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brooklynman4
join:2004-09-07
Brooklyn, NY | Maybe? Well the goodthing they dont have tear ure front lawn . | |
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richardpor
Fur it up
join:2003-04-19
Portland, OR
| This can be a blow to justification to Fiber. Comcast will be able to do all the fiber has promised but with copper. Not to mention I live in a area with large apartment and condo complexes, the one FIOS keeps skipping. I see FIOS as the modern day OK Soda* , both are great products doom by lousy planning and expensive execution of the business plan.
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brianiscool
join:2000-08-16
Miami, FL |  Disable?
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Lindenhurst, NY | Re: Disable? Thats not true here with optimum online as long as you have atleast the 5120 or that webstar modem you can get 30/2 speeds wich are docsis 2.0 these modems are what cablevision has been giving out for atleast the past year or too to everybody. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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Phoenix, AZ
| said by Nightfall :said by brianiscool :Will this disable people from using 1.0 and 2.0 DOCSIS? It will be backwards compatible, but you won't get above 1.0 speeds unless you buy a new modem. And subscribe to the package with the higher speeds
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Loker
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Fargo, ND
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| Re: Disable? said by dvd536 :said by Nightfall :said by brianiscool :Will this disable people from using 1.0 and 2.0 DOCSIS? It will be backwards compatible, but you won't get above 1.0 speeds unless you buy a new modem. And subscribe to the package with the higher speeds when comcast has introduced higher speeds when has it ever been accompanied by a new higher priced package?
Comcast HSI rates have not changed in years and there is no reason to think that will change now.
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| axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC | Re: over subscriptions They put these higher speeds in competitive markets first, and they don't kick people off in competitive markets because they will just go to the competitor. | |
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join:2004-07-01
Canada | It's ok, it'll just allow people to hit the invisible download cap even faster. | |
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| JerryTongue
join:2003-04-01
Auburn, WA
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| I dont see why peple think more Bandwidth means more heavy downloading? Downloaders will download no matter what, it just takes them longer, were not going to get a new bread of downloaders roll in or anything just because of the increase of Bandwidth. More will get used though because of all the HD stuff now and other features coming out which our ISP are selling and expect the need for the increase to handle it.
Our whole family are heavy online gamers, we watch HD shows and have never been told we use to much Bandwidth so I have nothing to sweat, the people that do reach "the cap" should get out of the house once in awhile. We use the Internet alot here so it's hard to imagin hitting "The cap" being I was told by my ISP I have nothing to worry about. | |
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Authority
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join:2000-03-29
Beverly Hills, CA
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| Re: over subscriptions said by JerryTongue :I dont see why peple think more Bandwidth means more heavy downloading? Because the people likely to want more bandwidth are downloaders. As you pointed out, most us actually have plenty of bandwidth for our needs.
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Lindenhurst, NY | IF their network is anything like cabevisions their backbone shouldnt have any problems because the backbone should be all fiber. | |
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decadent
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Piscataway, NJ
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| DOCSIS 3.0 Wireless network can also achieve the same speeds. But PR always avoids mentioning total throughput for the system. If there are 100 subs, what will be total throughput: 14.5Gbps? With increased amount of video streaming, they cannot hope that oversubscribing always work. | |
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Jerm
join:2000-04-10
Richland, WA
| No sorry... That 145mbit is shared between all users on the 'node' per say. This means 145mbit for anywhere from 30-300 users (normally).
Currently it's 38mbit with Docsis 1/2. So sure it is a little bit of an increase.
But when you compare Fios @ 622mbit per 32 customers - it's no comparision at all. (soon to be be 2.4Gbit for up to 64).
If you think no way the numbers I quoted above are possible: you don't know jack about the ISP business and overselling - my "local" ISP used to fit 100 768kbps DSL customers on one 1.5mbit frame relay T1. With traffic shaping on the router speeds during peak times might slow down to perhaps 384kbps - still not too bad.
Thats an oversell ratio of 50:1 (50mbit sold for 1mbit actual backbone). It happens more often then you think! | |
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Portland, OR | Re: No sorry... "That 145mbit is shared between all users on the 'node' per say. "
Is that correct? | |
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Loker
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join:2004-07-11
Fargo, ND
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| said by Jerm :That 145mbit is shared between all users on the 'node' per say. This means 145mbit for anywhere from 30-300 users (normally). Currently it's 38mbit with Docsis 1/2. So sure it is a little bit of an increase. But when you compare Fios @ 622mbit per 32 customers - it's no comparision at all. (soon to be be 2.4Gbit for up to 64). If you think no way the numbers I quoted above are possible: you don't know jack about the ISP business and overselling - my "local" ISP used to fit 100 768kbps DSL customers on one 1.5mbit frame relay T1. With traffic shaping on the router speeds during peak times might slow down to perhaps 384kbps - still not too bad. Thats an oversell ratio of 50:1 (50mbit sold for 1mbit actual backbone). It happens more often then you think! is someone forgetting about channel bonding?
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decadent
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Piscataway, NJ | Re: No sorry... They are bounding several channels to get 145Mbps per sub. And because they have increased frequency to 3Ghz, I expect total throughput to be 1Gbps+ , but it depends on Motorola hardware. That is why it is interesting to know from the source. | |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| forget the technology for a second.. there is NO rush by the companies to raise the speed caps just yet... they are more interested in getting the technology in place "just incase" their competitors jump before they do..
raised speed caps are inevitable but not necessarily the TOP priority at current prices. just as $4 gasoline doesn't phase or even shock people anymore so will higher cable/telcom bills be the norm (just at a much slower rate increase than gasoline) and THAT'S when consumers will say, Hey, what's in it for ME?
higher price~better speed will go hand-in-hand. by the time 100/100 megabits rolls around consumers will probably be paying around $100 just for internet due to inflation. 1996-2004 (when it was promised) versus 2008-2016 which is more the reality for cable companies and telco companies to be capable of delivering said service... (the reality)
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Comcast To Demo DOCSIS 3.0 This Week
If they can up speeds; does lack of FTTH matter?
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