  richardpor Fur it up
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| Or in other Words Quickly find applications to justify a political pork project. Never mind the possibility that cheaper methods that are more efficient exist. This is the problem with Muni-WIFI or any big government project. For example has any of them thought to use the existing cellular network. Does building inspector really need to be connected? Perhaps a pad of paper could do. | |
|  |  Kearnstd Elf Wizard Premium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: Or in other Words and once its paid off the cost of operation is probally lower then the high cost of data services from the cell providers. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
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| said by richardpor :Quickly find applications to justify a political pork project. Never mind the possibility that cheaper methods that are more efficient exist. This is the problem with Muni-WIFI or any big government project. For example has any of them thought to use the existing cellular network. Running your own WiFi network is cheaper in the long run than shelling out a fortune to the large cell providers for data services, especially the enterprise data services where they scalp you.
Does building inspector really need to be connected? Perhaps a pad of paper could do. If it can be shown that it allows said inspector to work faster and decreases the processing time, yeah, connect that inspector up. -- Prove it... | |
|  |   John Galt Forward, March Premium join:2004-09-30 Happy Camp
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| said by richardpor :Does building inspector really need to be connected? Yes.
He can sign off on various parts of the project right there on the spot...and the job can continue. This is much more efficient than the 3-5 days that the paper process takes. That may be nothing to you, but to those of us in the construction industry, time is money AND project progress.
So on and so forth. There ARE good reasons for agencies to be connected. -- A is A | |
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join:2003-04-19 Portland, OR 1 edit | Re: Or in other Words Never mind | |
|  |  soccerguy
join:2004-06-28 Seattle, WA | Or perhaps those uses were already in mind when building the network in the first place. | |
|  |  |  ossito16
join:2004-07-31 Whiting, IN | $20 yea right What is it going to take to get free public wifi. Why can't they just create a small tax on cigs, restaurant, or hotels? | |
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| Re: $20 yea right said by ossito16 :What is it going to take to get free public wifi. Why can't they just create a small tax on cigs, restaurant, or hotels? As a taxpayer, I say pay for your own stupid WiFi.
Government has absolutely no incentive to be efficient. One step into the motor vehicle office should make any sane person run screaming from any and all government services. | |
|  |  |   John Galt Forward, March Premium join:2004-09-30 Happy Camp
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| Re: $20 yea right said by indyattic :Government has absolutely no incentive to be efficient. One step into the motor vehicle office should make any sane person run screaming from any and all government services. We have a stunningly amazing DMV here in Oregon. Fast, friendly, helpful...
You can walk in without an appointment, take your test and be out the door with your new license in 10-15 minutes, pretty much any day of the week. -- A is A | |
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join:2006-01-10 Buffalo, NY | Re: $20 yea right HHmmmmmm...John Galt...aren't you the Commissioner of Motor Vehicles?? 
Just kidding, we have a few DMVs here that are impressive, not quite what you'd expect. | |
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| The REAL John Galt wouldn't say that.
said by John Galt :said by indyattic :Government has absolutely no incentive to be efficient. One step into the motor vehicle office should make any sane person run screaming from any and all government services. We have a stunningly amazing DMV here in Oregon. Fast, friendly, helpful... You can walk in without an appointment, take your test and be out the door with your new license in 10-15 minutes, pretty much any day of the week. | |
|  |  |  |  |   John Galt Forward, March Premium join:2004-09-30 Happy Camp
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| Re: $20 yea right said by nopassstill :
The REAL John Galt wouldn't say that. Touche!
However, in this case I am only stating the facts. I don't use them myself...
I let Dagny drive.
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|  |   Steve I'm a PC, so shut up Consultant join:2001-03-10 Yorba Linda, CA
| said by ossito16 :What is it going to take to get free public wifi. Why can't they just create a small tax on cigs, restaurant, or hotels? Why should smokers, diners, or out-of-town guests be expected to pay for your internet? | |
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| Re: $20 yea right said by Steve :said by ossito16 :What is it going to take to get free public wifi. Why can't they just create a small tax on cigs, restaurant, or hotels? Why should smokers, diners, or out-of-town guests be expected to pay for your internet? I am figuring it could be a small tax though, like 5 cents or so. Maybe take a portion of parking fees/tickets. I bet if city starts at $20 and cable/telcos raise their prices then city will raise their price too. I dont believe the public wifi should be operating to gain a profit to give raises to alderman and other city officials. | |
|  |  |  |   Steve I'm a PC, so shut up Consultant join:2001-03-10 Yorba Linda, CA
| Re: $20 yea right said by ossito16 : I am figuring it could be a small tax though, like 5 cents or so. Maybe take a portion of parking fees/tickets. I bet if city starts at $20 and cable/telcos raise their prices then city will raise their price too. I dont believe the public wifi should be operating to gain a profit to give raises to alderman and other city officials. Why don't they, instead, put a tax on wi-fi users to pay for hotel subsidies? | |
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| said by ossito16 :said by Steve :said by ossito16 :What is it going to take to get free public wifi. Why can't they just create a small tax on cigs, restaurant, or hotels? Why should smokers, diners, or out-of-town guests be expected to pay for your internet? I am figuring it could be a small tax though, like 5 cents or so. Maybe take a portion of parking fees/tickets. I bet if city starts at $20 and cable/telcos raise their prices then city will raise their price too. I dont believe the public wifi should be operating to gain a profit to give raises to alderman and other city officials. I think a lot of cities (certainly Philly) already tax the daylights out of those things to try to make up budget shortfalls elsewhere. -- My other cyber-pasttime, Where's George Miserable Failure | |
|  |  |  |  |  |   marigolds Gainfully employed, finally Premium,MVM join:2002-05-13 Saint Louis, MO
| said by Steve :said by ossito16 :What is it going to take to get free public wifi. Why can't they just create a small tax on cigs, restaurant, or hotels? Why should smokers, diners, or out-of-town guests be expected to pay for your internet? I agree with Steve here. You need locus between the tax and the application of the tax. People are a lot more willing to be taxed when that happens. I can understand hotels; out of town guests are going to like having free wi-fi available throughout town. Parking tickets make perfect sense too. WiFi would be an enormous benefit for enforcing parking regulations. Imagine the efficiency when the meters actually signal to a PDA map when their time runs out. Combine that with cheap pressure sensors and you can map peak usage of parking in real time and cut down on the number of meter readers. For even more fun, make a "free meter" map available on the public WiFi and in-car GPS signals. Television franchise fees? Absolutely. Tie the emergency response system and traffic monitoring into your government access channels and people will get all of their public announcements in while watching the morning "traffic report" for the downtown. And then add in sources from permitting fees, use fees for community GIS products, fees from other utilities (you think private utilities wouldn't love the same wireless meter system?) and you can fund plenty of funding before having to tap the general fund and local residential users. -- ISCABBS - the oldest and largest BBS on the Internet telnet://bbs.iscabbs.com Professional Geographer Geographic Information Science researcher | |
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