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kudos:18 | LOL! Hope they like pr0n!  | |
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| | Nothing new Move on It seems to me all this law will do is apply the same requirement for legal analog wiretap to the digital realm. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: Nothing new Move on said by richardpor:It seems to me all this law will do is apply the same requirement for legal analog wiretap to the digital realm. Yea.. I can see how telephone conversations are the same as your personal data... being able to see far more about you such as bank account information and other financials, personal stuff like health information, hot chats with hook ups.. all that stuff.
Not only that, but there are roommate situations... so if you tap the line of one person, you are also tapping others with it.
Don't buy it.. don't care for it.. but in this political hungry arena of "elect me because.. " and they get into office and do what ever they want anyway, this is what you will get.
This is what the people wanted.. now they got it. Remember this when you vote for either a dem or a republican next time at the elections. They both suck.
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| | | | Re: Nothing new Move on I agree, I refuse to vote if my options are simplified to a giant douche and a turd sandwich (lol @ south park). There really is no choice when it comes to voting. Republicans and Democrats are more alike then not; they both don't have a very specific platform, and choose to rather "go with the flow" of the public opinion to get the necessary votes to do w/e. I can see how a two party system would have worked 100 years ago when the US wasn't even half the population it is now. But today? I think it's time we throw out the two party system. Either that, or do some MAJOR reforms on how we vote. With the rules that are in place today, it is virtually impossible for a third party to gain any kind of foothold in the political realm. | |
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Or the Green Party, rather than 'Communists'?
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| | | | | | | Re: Nothing new Move on Many politicians in third/fourth/fifth/sixth parties are actually competent and can deliver on their promises. The problem is 1) Capitalism dictates who wins by marketing over qualifications, and 2) People and media combine (the people shoulder most of the blame) for not holding the politicians' feet to the fire. Therefore, politicians do whatever the hell they want and people simply take it up the youknowwhat.
Not voting is as much of a solution as believing you're entirely trapped in a two party system. In both cases it contributes to their efforts to screw people over. | |
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Vancouver, WA | said by krayzie bone:I agree, I refuse to vote if my options are simplified to a giant douche and a turd sandwich (lol @ south park) So.. you refuse to vote if you don't like either of the republican or democrat parties..
said by krayzie bone: ...virtually impossible for a third party to gain any kind of foothold in the political realm. Then you cry about it being virtually imppossible for a third party.... Try voting for an independent party then, people like you... | |
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kudos:2 | Telephone conversations are your personal data as well. As for the bank account info and other financials, I hope the institutions that you deal with encrypt your transactions, otherwise, you've got far more to worry about than the government. Health care information falls under HIPAA which is fairly restrictive on how the information needs to be protected and transmitted. As for your "hot chats", they are nowhere close to private without this CALEA compliance. Your roommate scenario falls under the same guidelines and requirements as the traditional wiretapping laws, so no go there.
The main thing this new compliance brings about is the same "capability" to monitor communications through data networks as have long existed in the PSTN environment. Law enforcement officials still require a court order to look at your "private" conversations. | |
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Alexandria, VA | Re: Nothing new Move on said by openbox9:Law enforcement officials still require a court order to look at your "private" conversations. Or just an NSL. Or, they can always listen first, for a few days, then go back and get a retroactive approval.
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kudos:3 | Re: Nothing new Move on yup! The "Shoot first, ask questions later" routine. | |
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kudos:1 | said by openbox9:Health care information falls under HIPAA which is fairly restrictive on how the information needs to be protected and transmitted. Every business that needs to access your information can, including the govt. You have no control.
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| | | | Yep, the political system in this country sucks. The two party system merely gives the illusion of having a choice. Unfortunately, nothing will change until the "nothing to worry about unless you're a criminal" people pull their heads out of their asses.
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| | | | | Re: Nothing new Move on said by 59126125:Yep, the political system in this country sucks. The two party system merely gives the illusion of having a choice. Unfortunately, nothing will change until the "nothing to worry about unless you're a criminal" people pull their heads out of their asses. Brilliantly stated! (no sarcasm intended) | |
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Must be an old white guy no younger than 50....must be married and appear to have a happy family life...must have at least $10,000,000 if not already in the bank, then for campaign stuff....Am I forgetting anything? I hope future politicians are learning from their elders mistakes, but I doubt it.
I hate all Politicians, but the last guy that came anywhere close was probably Clin-TON. Had an appetite for sex, McDonalds fries (Wasn't afraid to show the latter), and could play the sax...and I don't believe was anywhere near a billionaire. | |
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Barberton, OH | said by fiberguy:said by richardpor:It seems to me all this law will do is apply the same requirement for legal analog wiretap to the digital realm. Yea.. I can see how telephone conversations are the same as your personal data... being able to see far more about you such as bank account information and other financials, personal stuff like health information, hot chats with hook ups.. all that stuff. Not only that, but there are roommate situations... so if you tap the line of one person, you are also tapping others with it. Don't buy it.. don't care for it.. but in this political hungry arena of "elect me because.. " and they get into office and do what ever they want anyway, this is what you will get. This is what the people wanted.. now they got it. Remember this when you vote for either a dem or a republican next time at the elections. They both suck. Well considering generally if the fbi taps your phone they have also looked in to your bank accounts as well. Often at the same tiem sometimes or nearly as often the bank records might be what triggered their warrant/want for the phone tap.
The room mate isue. Well if your living with friend relitive parent bf gf husband or wife and the fbi wants to tap your phone. They would also want to tap there ohone as well. Chances are if your taped so are various friends and relitives.
All politicions suck and lie get use to it. The idea is to vote for the one who lies the best and promises the most. Hopefully he delivers on the most promises.
I voted for taft last time because i knew he liked to go bicycling. This lead me to beleive he would one pass laws friendly to ohio cyclists (wich he did hb 389 woot lol) and 2 put some tax dolors in to facilities for cycling in ohio and if i recall correctly he did that to.
Regardless of other things he did or did not do. I got alot of what i wanted.
They say politics is a game and you know what it is. Theres cheating there moves and counter moves there are even bribes heh.
Get use to it or run for office your self and see how long you can stay 100% clean not lie and still get elected.
Fact is you wont be able to. Youll have to lie youll have to play the game the same way others play it. And maybe just maybe you cn leave things a little better than you found them in at least one respect.
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Stepford, CA | Welcome to the new USSR from Wired Threat Level:
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It's worth noting that the new requirements don't alter the legal standards for law enforcement to win court orders for internet wiretaps. Fans of CALEA expansion argue that it therefore won't increase the number of Americans under surveillance.
That's wrong, of course. Making surveillance easier and faster gives law enforcement agencies of all stripes more reason to eschew old-fashioned police work in favor of spying. The telephone CALEA compliance deadline was in 2002, and since then the amount of court-ordered surveillance has nearly doubled from 2,586 applications granted that year, to 4,015 orders in 2006.
Because that's exactly what this administration and its fascist sychophants need...less oversight and easier access to spy on Americans for no reason.
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Land O Lakes, FL | Re: Welcome to the new USSR And despite this perceived threat you continue spewing bombastic rhetoric. | |
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Stepford, CA | Re: Welcome to the new USSR said by lesopp:And despite this perceived threat you continue spewing bombastic rhetoric. That's one way of looking at a perceived threat. Another way is to say CALEA is overbroad. And still another way is to sat that wiretapping is already easy enough. And still another way of looking at it is that you have no clue how to use the word bombastic or rhetoric in a sentence. But that is an entirely separate matter.
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| | | Well said, does anyone know of a way to counter these technologies they are using to spy on us. I would hope that this is where DSLr can really show its power to fight back at those wanting to take away our freedoms. | |
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Willseyville, NY | Re: Welcome to the new USSR I would guess you'd have to use something like TOR, I2P outproxies, Relakks or Findnot, and hope that whichever you choose is not a front for the government or in collusion with the FBI etc. | |
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Chicago, IL | Why are you worried? If you're a law abiding citizen and not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about.
This law only targets the criminals and terrorists. If you don't fall into those categories, go about your business and let the government do its job.
Protecting the homeland is tough business...and the government needs all the tools it can get, and could do with less bitching and whining from its own citizens. | |
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Barberton, OH | Re: Why are you worried? said by rid0617:They spy on our internet, phone, make us take off our shoes at the airport, make us prove all kinds of stuff at the bank and blame it on the Patriot Act but any one and his brother can casually stroll across the southern border. Makes good sense to me. NOT Do you know what a shape charge is?
Here are a few uses of shape charges.
Cutting bridge or buildign supports when emploading said bridge or building. Farmers some times use shape charges to bust stumps is a non demolision use.
The military uses shape charges to gain entry in to a building or to destroy a mine or IED or other explosive device. Those are the basic legitimate uses.
Other uses could include blowing a 2 or 3 foot hole in a 747 in flight. This would take a device about 9 or 10 inches long 2 or 3 inches wide and 1/2 inch thick.
This device would consist of a coper or plastic sheild soem plastic explosives and a meathod to set off the device.
This device could easly fit in side a shoe and be worn on to a plane with ease.
Remember the botched shoe bomb and shoe bomber from a couple years ago?
The myth busters proved that a simple gun shot to a window or body of the plane wont cause explosive decompression sure but they also showed that it would not take a whole lot to cause such things. I beleive blowing out the window ripped a huge chunk of the plane they used off.
The ammount of material seperating you from the sky in a plane is about 2 inches along the sides of a plane.
Somethign that sounds as silly as a shoe bomb is way more than enough to destroy a 747 in flight.
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Racine, WI | said by kapil:If you're a law abiding citizen and not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about. yeh, i bet they tell that very same thing to the sheep and hogs while they're being led to slaughter....:) | |
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Chicago, IL | Re: Why are you worried? The sheep have their role to play in the grand scheme of things. So do we, as citizens. It is our leaders' job to keep us safe...and it is our job to cut them some slack and go about our business and consume so the economy can keep growing. | |
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cloud 9 | Re: Why are you worried? I don't think that keeping us safe is in the presidential oath. It's his job to protect freedom, and uphold the constitution. Is growing the economy in the oath? Is it part of the constitution? I think not.
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Racine, WI | said by kapil:Protecting the homeland is tough business...and the government needs all the tools it can get, and could do with less bitching and whining from its own citizens. i forgot to add...
someone needs to watch the watchers and that's something the citizens should be doing | |
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Barberton, OH | Re: Why are you worried? said by Timt49:said by kapil:Protecting the homeland is tough business...and the government needs all the tools it can get, and could do with less bitching and whining from its own citizens. i forgot to add... someone needs to watch the watchers and that's something the citizens should be doing That i can agree with. Some form of civilian over sight commity. Bound by gov enforced nda of corse to make sure they are not gettign taps for the sake of trying to gather and compile information.
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See, there's a big hole in your argument. "This law only targets the criminals and terrorists." Who are the criminals and terrorists? What is the definition of a criminal/terrorist? Who defines what a criminal/terrorist is? One that does harm to society? So if I am an ardent critic of the government and I try to rally people around me for a cause that is contrary to the gov't, am I viewed as a threat to society? According to the government, I very well could be. Even though I have broken no law by assembling peacefully, the government can come in and look at my telephone conversations, my emails, personal data on the internet...Why? just because I have a different opinion or I wish to uncover a possible scandal inside? These measures are clearly taking away our rights, and give a small group of people more power to do whatever they want, without any checks or oversight. I can't understand why people would want to voluntarily give up there rights just so they could have some "comfort" that they will be able to get their starbucks coffee tomorrow...
I don't care if they are for a "good cause" or have "good intentions." I'll take my chances out in the real world instead of having to live in fear of a possible attack that could occur at any minute. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Why are you worried? Except for that one thing called the Judicial Branch  said by krayzie bone:I'll take my chances out in the real world instead of having to live in fear of a possible attack that could occur at any minute. You are one person and most certainly entitled to your opinion, however I'd hazard a guess that a large population like the idea of feeling safe instead of "taking their chances". | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Why are you worried? said by krayzie bone:But if I have to give up my rights just so I can feel safer tomorrow or in the future, i'd rather take my chances. So do you feel that you've given up any rights yet in exchange for that level of feeling comfortable and safe? I don't feel that I've realistically lost any rights or freedoms that I've had the pleasure of experiencing for the last 35 years. | |
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Oklahoma City, OK | said by kapil:If you're a law abiding citizen and not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about. This law only targets the criminals and terrorists. If you don't fall into those categories, go about your business and let the government do its job. Protecting the homeland is tough business...and the government needs all the tools it can get, and could do with less bitching and whining from its own citizens. wow, take the conservative blinders off your face. How could anyone think this is not wrong? I'm sure you think that the AT&T/Verizon/NSA ILLEGAL wiretapping is just and fair, as well.
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kudos:9 | Re: Why are you worried? said by MarkyD:wow, take the conservative blinders off your face. How could anyone think this is not wrong? I'm sure you think that the AT&T/Verizon/NSA ILLEGAL wiretapping is just and fair, as well. I resent that remark. "Safety over freedom" isn't a conservative position; else why do conservatives oppose gun control?
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kudos:9 | said by kapil:This law only targets the criminals and terrorists. If you don't fall into those categories, go about your business and let the government do its job. The problem is, nobody knows who the criminals and terrorists are until they are caught. The law gives the LEAs the ability to monitor the date before the people being monitored are determined to be criminals, or terrorists. Why not just give LEAs the authority to conduct random home inspections four times a year? You will get the same results. Who knows? Maybe the Virginia LEAs could have found Seung-Hui Cho's armory before he used it, if they had random "Safety and Welfare Home Inspections" in force.
(For those who can't hear the tone of my words, the question is rhetorical. We have the fourth amendment in our U.S. Constitution for a reason; and this law needs to be challenged in court.)
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kudos:9 | said by kapil:If you're a law abiding citizen and not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about. Tell that to David Evans, Reade Seligmann, and Collin Finnerty.
Have you ever been investigate by police for a major felony that you have never committed? I have. Saying that, "You have nothing to worry about" is just so trite, and meaningless. You damned sure have something to worry about.
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Barberton, OH | Re: Why are you worried? said by NormanS:said by kapil:If you're a law abiding citizen and not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about. Tell that to David Evans, Reade Seligmann, and Collin Finnerty. Have you ever been investigate by police for a major felony that you have never committed? I have. Saying that, "You have nothing to worry about" is just so trite, and meaningless. You damned sure have something to worry about. Not me but my dad was once. Fbi and some other agency questioned us all on forged 20s and 50s. The investigation lasted a whopping 2 days and 2 visits. Feds came to door asked if they could see my printer and get a sample of the paper and the ink on paper i said sure. They did a test print and printed a copy of a 1 dolor bill. Turns out some jack ass my dad knew in passign and could not stand was passign bogus 20s at the local club where they both had membet ships. The feds came to said club talked to various people includign this guy he said he got the 20s from my dad. Infact he printed them him self with a color copier at kinkos where his son broke in to one night. They then ran off about 18k in 20s and 50s.
Most of the time spent in our house was me and the one agent talking about my "awesome"computer set up. At the time i had 4 computers and a laptop hooked up 1 comp was my fiewall box 1 was a file server one was my gaming machine one was my moms machine my laptop for chat and web. At the time i had 2 19 inch monitors set up heh. Next time he came over i sold him a bunch of old but usefull hardware as it turns out he was in to 3d modelign programs same as me. So i sold him a old ps2 high accuracy mouse and a external keypad with programable hot keys.
None of us seena point to go hey you got a warrant? We did nothing wrong we knew this so fact was makign them go get a warrant would have wasted our time their and would have delayed a little revenge on getting that slime ball from the club tossed in jail so my dad could laugh his ass off at him
Remember these guys had all they needed to get a warrant do to the slime ball saying he got the fake bills from my dad for all we know they likely already had one.
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|  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Tulsa, OK | said by kapil:This law only targets the criminals and terrorists. Somehow I get the feeling we're only inches away from the point where criticizing the Government or the people who run it will make you both a criminal and a terrorist. ...
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Chicago, IL | Re: Why are you worried? So be it. The President, like it or not, is our leader...and he deserves some support in times of war.
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kudos:9 | Re: Why are you worried? said by kapil:So be it. The President, like it or not, is our leader...and he deserves some support in times of war. The rest of you hippies should move to Canada. The President of the United States is an executive officer, not a leader. He was elected by the slimmest of margins; meaning that about half of the electorate did not want to follow him where ever he was going.
Before this nation was founded, the founders fought a war for independence. There were at least as many members of the Tory militias (loyal to King George III) as Rebel militias. You are exhorting people to be members of the contemporary Tory militia.
The only time this nation was able to work in unison to a common goal was during WWII; and even then there was some opposition.
There is always going to be opposition; I am opposed to gun control, higher taxes, compulsory national health care (a form of welfare), and a few other ideas floated by Democrats. That doesn't make the Republicans my friends.
And I am not planning on moving to Canada any time soon; they have serious gun control up there.
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Tulsa, OK | Methinks Kapil is having some fun with us.
I mean look at his Icon, that should give you a big clue...
... either that or the real Kapil has already been disappeared and now the Department of Homeland security agents are posting under his name.....
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cloud 9 | What you really mean is, "I don't think it will happen to me, and as long as it doesn't I don't care."
So, you're anti-war, but you're anti-citizen too. Is there anything you are actually for?
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Why are you worried? said by TheWickerMan:We're all guilty of something if you look hard enough. Guilty as charged! | |
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| | About time How much has crime and terrorism increased since '02? If you ain't a criminal you have nothing to worry about. If you are a criminal you deserve to be in prison. I have no problem with looking for criminals who use telecommunications. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Want copies? The government doesn't care about any of the items that you mentioned. Also, that isn't what CALEA compliance is about. | |
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united state | said by BPLSUCKS9:this is why you tor your traffic or use a VPN. Also encrypting your harddrive is a good option. Neither of which are illegal. Yet. | |
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kudos:1 | said by BPLSUCKS9:this is why you tor your traffic or use a VPN. Also encrypting your harddrive is a good option. Neither of which are illegal. Wait till a judge can imprison you for life for contempt of court. | |
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kudos:1 | Bullets and Armor Anyone have a recommendation for an easy-to-use email encryption program?
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kudos:2 | Re: Bullets and Armor PGP? | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Bullets and Armor Thanks!
Email encryption gets a few mentions in this thread too: »Software Forum Member Choice
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1 edit | i dont like it How did we let this pass?
What can we as a consumer do to ease this?
Now people are just going to be running around with more sophisticated encryption so we are just upping the ante.
People must remember and not fall into the trap of" if you are not a criminal than there is nothing to hide"
This is not true
How do we know how well they are holding our data if they retrieve them? There was just an article here on bbr saying government agency's have lack proper security over our records. I believe that now opens a security loophole. We Just assume that since it is the government everything is safe and honkey dory.
Who is watching over this program? Do we really know if some perverted government agent isn't looking up and through all of some future girls emails and other personal data before he dates her? this was the case for one individual that had access to the criminal and driving records int he new within the past year?
Who is paying for all this to be compliant? wow is isn't the person imposing this, it is on the backs of the company that are struggling to make profit already.
Just because I am not a criminal does it mean that the government can snoop through all of my files. Think of the government not just as a whole untouchable force but as individual people. Now if that person was your neighbor would you want him riffling through your files. maybe that will help the perspective a little.
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kudos:2 | Re: i dont like it said by jgkolt:How did we let this pass? It's really not that big of a deal...unless you are a small ISP that can't easily afford the compliance...or using the Internet for nefarious purposes.said by jgkolt:What can we as a consumer do to ease this? The same thing that you can do for all legislation...write your representation in Congress and vote accordingly when the time comes around.said by jgkolt:Now people are just going to be running around with more sophisticated encryption so we are just upping the ante. The knowledgeable people that were hiding from this law already use encryption | |
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Lakewood, OH | Then who were the representatives that were responsible for getting this into action?
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Silver Spring, MD | Re: i dont like it I think its gonna be a big deal when Universities and comm. colleges raise thier tuitions because of compliance and the "We here at Comcast got hit with this, and so will you" starts............ | |
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| | | | | Re: i dont like it You are so right. Anytime an ISP has to add something to their network the cost is handed down to the customer. I am just waiting to get my letter telling me there will be a price increase for internet access. | |
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Mount Airy, MD |  Funny
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Silver Spring, MD | Re: Funny looks to me most of the opinions here were based upon READING THE ARTICLE, and not some automatic Bush bashing.
Though he is an IDIOT, and I think blaming an idiot for doing a nefarious and dirty but smart man's job is justifiable...
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Funny Now I am totally lost. Are you trying to claim that Bush is not evil and evil at the same time?
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1 edit | openbox9 you are a troll. People that safeguard their data are not always criminals?
Are company's criminals for using vpn's with encryption?
Well if they are then welcome to china. we just lost some more privacy.
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| | | Re: openbox9 you are a troll. said by jgkolt:People that safeguard their data are not always criminals? Are company's criminals for using vpn's with encryption? Well if they are then welcome to china. we just lost some more privacy. Well, Lil' Rickey Santorum did tell us privacy was dead. I guess we should have listened to him, although that was hard, seeing as how everything else he spewed was bovine-generated organic effluent. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: how am I a troll???? said by jgkolt:People that safeguard their data are not always criminals? Are company's criminals for using vpn's with encryption? Well if they are then welcome to china. we just lost some more privacy. When did I ever say that safeguarding your data makes you a criminal? I didn't!
When did I say companies are criminals for using VPNs? I didn't! | |
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@verizon.net | Re: openbox9 you are a troll. good point, most of the data that is going to be flagged is the ones that carry encrypted traffic no matter who they're from. In terms of encryption... forget about it, it is believed all encryption schemes known to the public are back doored as an internal requirement.
most of this will lead to far worst things than "1984" or »www.howstuffworks.com/carnivore.htm . In all sense, hopefully the system will do exactly what it's built for and not abused. | |
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Miami, FL | . ....oh well. | |
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| | ...... if the fbi wants somethin to watch ill give them more then a few pron sites | |
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Tulsa, OK | so where can I point my virtual middle finger? I want to make sure all the jack booted gov thugs see it.
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| | ...... sooner or later theyll justify this as a part of protectiing our national security or some other bs | |
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