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| Re: 3G Chipset??? said by SimbaTLK1  :Does anyone honestly think George W. Bush actually knows what a 3G chipset actually is? --Matt That's why he has advisors.
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| Re: 3G Chipset??? said by Rob :said by SimbaTLK1 :Does anyone honestly think George W. Bush actually knows what a 3G chipset actually is? --Matt That's why he has advisors. Bush can ask Sen. Stevens of Alaska what a 3G chip is. Then Bush will know a 3G chip is not a dump truck. | |
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| Re: 3G Chipset??? said by Bluethunder :said by SimbaTLK1 :Does anyone honestly think George W. Bush actually knows what a 3G chipset actually is? --Matt He is still trying to figure out to to pronounce it. Maybe something else is tying his hands...
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| said by Bluethunder :said by SimbaTLK1 :Does anyone honestly think George W. Bush actually knows what a 3G chipset actually is? --Matt He is still trying to figure out to to pronounce it. Haha that's excelent!
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| Qualcom v Broadcom Verizon and Qualcom have been trying to monopolize several markets. Verizon has tried to limit competition via a patent infringement case against Vonage. Likewise, Qualcom has used lawsuits to monopolized the 3G handset market withoverly broad patents.
What goes around; comes around. Qualcom should be stopped or pay Broadcom big bucks for the Patent infringement. | |
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Verizon has tried to limit competition via a patent infringement case against Vonage. Why won't Vonage sign up new customers? | |
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| More than meets the eye There is more here than meets the eye which affects the Government's monitoring of US Civilians using Qualcomm chipsets. These phones have backdoors which give the government lots of capabilities which the average citizen will not comprehend. While I do NOT mind companies who make profit by doing good or providing cellphones to users, I do mind when government abuses power and which concurrently leads to misdeeds by the federal branch of government which have actually led to things I will not discuss on here but include horrendous acts. | |
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| Re: More than meets the eye Before joining Philips, from 1990 to 1998 Mr. McGregor served in various senior management positions, most recently as Senior Vice President and General Manager, at Santa Cruz Operation Inc. (SCO), a provider of network computing solutions. From 1985 to 1990 he served in senior positions at Digital Equipment Corporation (now part of HP) where he led the UNIX workstation software group and was one of the architects of the X Window System. Prior to joining Digital Equipment Corporation, he worked at Microsoft, where he was the Director of the Interactive Systems Group and the architect and development team leader of the original version of Microsoft® Windows®. Prior to Microsoft, Mr. McGregor spent over six years in various positions at the Xerox Corporation's Palo Alto Research Center (PARC), where he was involved in designing software for the first personal computers employing graphical user interfaces. Mr. McGregor received a B.A. in Psychology and a M.S. in Computer Science and Computer Engineering from Stanford University.
This background is very important. While I will not dispute Qualcomm or their accomplishments, when patent rights triumph over doing good for society and humanity, and lead to unforseen consequences, the system needs to be changed. Broadcom is a science and engineering driven company moreso than Qualcomm IMHO.
The Xerox Parc connection is VERY IMPORTANT HERE.
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More than meets the eye
There is more here than meets the eye which affects the Government's monitoring of US Civilians using Qualcomm chipsets. These phones have backdoors which give the government lots of capabilities which the average citizen will not comprehend. While I do NOT mind companies who make profit by doing good or providing cellphones to users, I do mind when government abuses power and ...
I don't think that your innuendo of government wire tapping misdeeds based upon the Qualcomm chipset backdoors makes much of an argument for why the same government would ban the phones with those same chipsets.
That said, it does seem excessive to ban these phones and possibly hurt another cell phone company in the process. | |
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| Re: More than meets the eye "Qualcomm has asked President Bush to step in and rescind the ban."
This is the issue here. I agree with the ITC ruiling and the JURY. I do NOT agree with Qualcomm or President Bush and this is the part I was referring to.
The argument here is why the ITC ruling should stand. If it does not then what I mentioned will occur and has occured to this date in fact. | |
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| Re: More than meets the eye I think its amazing to say the least that Amir Morad attended the Technion - Israel Institute of Technology on one of the patents of which Broadcom actually held.
Considering Udi Manber also attended there, it speaks volumes about the credibility of the graduates coming out of that school. At Qualcomm on the other hand, you saw a marketting and sales oriented company which met eye to eye with the existing carriers like Verizon Wireless and BREW for instance which led to the inherent abuses we saw rather than an equal and fair playing field so the BEST competition was effectively removed from the marketplace.
In this new era of openness, Broadcom was able to win the patent and now the key is going to be what the federal government does here.
One needs to understand the patents and needs to look them over to understand. | |
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1 edit | Thats what Verizon gets... Irony is something I tell ya! Vonage was sued like crazy for infringement, and by Verizon no less. If you ask me, they need a taste of their own medicine. I hope they get a ton of issues related to this headache, and learn a lesson, and that is to not screw over the little guy. Ha, I know it's wishful thinking though...
EDIT: Old habits are hard to break, like screwing over the little guy.
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And Nazi's read EVER post, IMO.
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1 edit | said by madspammer77 :Impacts Sprint, Alltell, US Cellular and many others as well. Learn your facts. Oh, gee, duh, I didn't know that. C'mon, CDMA is CDMA, I'm just glad Verizon is getting the foot in the ass here. So you can stop trying to "talk to the little people" and act like I care who it impacts, smartass.
EDIT: For the retards, that means "I KNOW WHO IT IMPACTS".
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| It does not matter who is affected or how many want to cry and say "I want that phone" or how Qualcomm is hurt- they hurt themselves by their own actions. Saying x number of people want or could benefit from these chips so let’s change the laws is like saying there are too many unknown illegal aliens in the US or too many unknown killers so let’s change the law so it is no longer a crime (what our govt is trying to do right now with the illegal). | |
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1 edit | Qualcomm Qualcomm, Qualcomm what do we say. GSM is here to stay. There is a new world order, that is the rule.
Bush will do as his leaders say.
You may be the best but not the standard.
US follows leaders vanish.
Presidents are world leaders not solely US.
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Corpus Christi, TX | Re: Qualcomm Wow, everything after the first line of your post makes as much sense as President Bush himself.
GSM 3G handsets use WCDMA technology for their high-speed. So this affect GSM handsets too, dummy. | |
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| Re: Qualcomm Yeah go to a AT&T store and look at a blackjack or any of the other 3g phones, you'll see a nice Qualcomm sticker on it someplace. My opinion here is that business should be affected. What would be the point of the judgments? I don't know enough to understand the dispute, but for a while before the suit was decided, I was like what is the difference between gsm, CDMA, etc. Wikipedia HELPED a lot. Read about Qualcomm and WCDMA, and HSDPA/HSUPA and all of that. Chipset fabs, broadcom fabs too. You'll learn how far reaching there technology and patents are. They also manufacture the tower transmitting equipment for 3g. | |
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| Re: Qualcomm said by nonymous :As far as this lawsuit gsm is god. This is a cdma issue only. You do know that 3G implemented in GSM environments used CDMA-based technology right?
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| Re: Qualcomm said by pnh102 :said by nonymous :As far as this lawsuit gsm is god. This is a cdma issue only. You do know that 3G implemented in GSM environments used CDMA-based technology right? What he's saying "nonymous" is GSM doesn't have the balls left in it to produce the bandwidth CDMA can. Thats why they made hybrid phones with both technologies, so you can surf at a faster speeds.
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| Re: Qualcomm said by phattieg :Thats why they made hybrid phones with both technologies, so you can surf at a faster speeds. I haven't read the ruling so I do not know all the details, but it seems to stand to reason that such phones might also be impacted if they used the unlicensed technology in question.
As for the whole GSM/CDMA rivalry, it just reminds me of the Mac/PC wars. There are good and bad things about each technology. I personally use a GSM phone myself, but only because Cingular provided me with the best coverage at the time that I bought the phone. If I move to an area where Verizon or Sprint have better coverage, then I would switch. For me, the underlying technology is not a factor in my purchasing decision, and to steal a cliche, all that matters is that the call goes through.
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| Re: Qualcomm said by pnh102 :said by phattieg :Thats why they made hybrid phones with both technologies, so you can surf at a faster speeds. I haven't read the ruling so I do not know all the details, but it seems to stand to reason that such phones might also be impacted if they used the unlicensed technology in question. As for the whole GSM/CDMA rivalry, it just reminds me of the Mac/PC wars. There are good and bad things about each technology. I personally use a GSM phone myself, but only because Cingular provided me with the best coverage at the time that I bought the phone. If I move to an area where Verizon or Sprint have better coverage, then I would switch. For me, the underlying technology is not a factor in my purchasing decision, and to steal a cliche, all that matters is that the call goes through. Agreed. I was only point out that it's ironic they went that route instead of innovating. I imagine though it would be rough having 2 versions of GSM to handle better speeds, it's easier to just piggyback the better one onto a newer phone. Like you said, if the call goes thru, then, well..... WHO CARES!!!!????
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| That's partially true. WCDMA might use some code division to get higher speeds, but it is far different in it's air interface. It still does the same things as GSM though, it's essentially has the same air interface as GSM but uses similar (but not 100 % similar) encoding methods than it's CDMA 2000 counterpart, CDMA EV-DO.
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| Re: Qualcomm said by DaveNJ :Edge is more then fast enough for regular people. Do you plan on buying an Apple iPhone? 
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| The ruling seems reasonable to me.. quote:
The ruling, by a 4-2 vote, permits handset models already on the market as of Thursday with Qualcomm's chips to continue entering the U.S.
Given that they're allowing current phones based on the infringing patent to continue to be imported and sold in the US, I don't see where this is such a great problem.
Yes, it sucks, but I suppose Qualcomm should have thought of that before infringing on someone else's patent and then refusing to pay the appropriate royalties. Does anyone really think that Qualcomm would have played this any differently if the situation was reversed?
There are plenty of phones not using Qualcomm chipsets, although very few CDMA and 3G phones use chipsets made by other parties. Nokia, for one, at least used to make their own IS-95 and cdma2000 chipsets, and they also make their own WCDMA chips. Interestingly, Qualcomm has been trying to get those banned from the US.
Now that the shoe is on the other foot, they're squealing loudly, of course! | |
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Tacoma, WA | Re: The ruling seems reasonable to me.. Exactly. Nokia is a prime example, Qualcomm gets a lot of money from licensing and not just actual manufacturing. But as you said the shoe on the other foot they're squealing. Maybe Qualcomm should have struck a deal with Broadcom. | |
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| 3 what? Bush to advisers..isn't 3G sort of like what astronauts experience in space? What this 3G have to do with me, I live on the planet Mars. Sir, you mean Earth. O yes, I live on the planet Earth. Adviser - from my experience, 3g is a techno gadget. American's love techno gadgets. Just get on T.V. and tell them you like 3g. Just like the fear mongering on terrorism, they will believe anything you say if you use that stupid innocent face of yours. Just be sure not to forget your speech this time. We will stick a wire to your ear and tell you what to say, just in case that happens. | |
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| Qualcom v. Broadcom There really is a lot at stake here. Most of the really cool 3G Handsets, whether GSM or CDMA use the banned Qualcom chip. This is going to really affect Verizon and Sprint's plan to deliver the 6800 series HTC phones planned for release thiss summer as well as many other phones. They can continue to import the 6700 series which is very long in the tooth. Other carriers will also be affected.
I buy a new pda/phone every few months. So this will hurt me too as a user in the short term.
Taking a broader view, it would be good for Verizon & Qualcom to get a dose of their own medicine. There's becoming too much of a monopoly in their respective spheres.
Other countries have faster wireless broadband which is cheaper. Enough said. | |
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| go out of business? Would anyone really CARE (short of shareholders) if Qualcomm goes out of business or gets acquired for pennies on the dollar?
Really, there are enough companies doing good work in telcom already.. and for some technologies fewer companies seems to be better. This way, when someone really invents/develops something revolutionary they can break into the marketplace from nowhere... and those who don't innovate will die the death they deserve.
Unfortunately, wireless carriers seem to have a vested interest in not allowing high speed wireless interoperability so that only phone calls are hand-off but not broadband access. This can only stunt/forestall further deployment of better technologies and lower cost to the consumer while offering services consumers don't want (TV).
Some would also say that companies such as Verizon are throwing around patents and high priced lawyers to bully the technology companies into submission.. this could come back to bite them in the ass sooner or later-- just a thought. | |
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| Question If Qualcomm's 3G Chips are banned from being imported. howcome My AT&T Samsung SYNC Phone, Has a small sticker saying QUAOLCOMM 3G HSDPA on it? Is the ban on the chip its self, i.e, cant import only it, so devices with it in iy ok. Or on anything that has the chip in it? And if so, how the hell did samsung get this phone in the us. | |
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| Qualcomm Sprint uses all Qualcomm if I am correct. I love my a940 phone. I get loads of use out of it. I have evdo so I can use my laptop anywhere in the U.S. with DSL speeds. I also got the wireless package that gives me radio / tv. Yes, I know, it's meant to be a cell phone. However, I simply love it. It's worth it to me. If Qualcomm is shut down, phones like this won't be made or will have to be using another chipset. I just wonder how that'll effect performance. | |
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