  en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Still need to deploy in deployed areas..quit cherry picking. I'm in the middle of Santa Clarita, which was deployed May 1, 2007... No Uverse date in sight. Concrete pad was poured, VRAD dropped on it, but no power or fiber to the node. | |
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 | | | Re: Still need to deploy in deployed areas..quit cherry picking. More likely it is permits from city, county, state- to place fiber ,etc everybody get in the picture- EPA, the tree huggers,power company, Corp of Eng. sometimes.
Plus it seems to me that neither cable or DSL got everywhere at the snap of a finger. | |
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| | en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Still need to deploy in deployed areas..quit cherry picking. and now... my DSL is running, but POTS is down.
They've had VRAD's deployed in + 3/4 (assumption) of the city for over a year now. I don't think its an issue of permits, power or anything much else. I think they just forgot about this one.
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join:2001-10-31
NOT Texas! | Re: Still need to deploy in deployed areas..quit cherry picking. That VRAD is waiting on Edison to power it. To the right side of the cabinet are some ducts coming out of the ground. Those are for power. The meter panel sits right on top of them. | |
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 KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | Bandwidth issues, anyone? Could it be.... Bandwidth?
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|  DaSneaky1Done wall to block them allPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou | Re: Bandwidth issues, anyone? Please. AT&T at a loss for adequate bandwidth is the least of their concerns.
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| |  Mactronel Camino RealPremium
join:2001-12-16
CM94sv | Re: Bandwidth issues, anyone? said by KrK:Could it be.... Bandwidth? said by DaSneaky1D:Please. AT&T at a loss for adequate bandwidth is the least of their concerns. Sounds like bandwidth to me.
VDSL/FTTP Can't deliver promised high bandwidth products because ?..
Oh Yay. Being a Verizon customer I look forward to FIOS in 1 2 5 Hmmm maybe 10 years.  
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| | KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | Actually I'd say bandwidth is the most pressing concern with this service.
2HD streams + Internet and DVR service etc on a VDSL line. It's no wonder they can't deliver it all yet. | |
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| en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | I now see why at&t wants network DVR's... no reason to bring 2 HD streams to the home, when 1 can be recorded remotely, saving bandwidth. Since you can only view one channel at a time, then they won't have to worry about 1 HD and 1 HD DVR. | |
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| | | | Re: Bandwidth issues, anyone? No reason for 2 HD streams?
How about multiple HDTV's in a house?
I have 3 of them... 26", 38" and 65". | |
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| | | en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Bandwidth issues, anyone? I have no HD sets... I'm not worried.
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| | | | I can record 4 HD Channels now with 2 Comcast DVRs in my home. | |
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| | Oh wellz At least the DVR and HD service is free for a year  | |
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| | More proof that their tag line should be replaced with
at&t, your world delivered delayed!
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| | So... what is it going to be? So, faster broadband speeds are coming for Internet use and the current 6mbps limit will not be applied to U-Verse? Did they indicate what possible speeds could be? This post mentions 100mbps @ 1400 feet - is that for the total service or just for end-user internet use? Finally, I'm curious if these faster speeds will be available to DSL users too?
If AT&T were to start offering real, competitive internet access speeds at say 20mbps-50mbps, then I can swallow their ugly build-outs. But, ugly build-outs all over town, just so a few folks can get another TV reception capacity... to heck with that! | |
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 ftthzIf love can kill hate can also save
join:2005-10-17 | pair bonding? a bandaid solution guessing that they might have to use pair bonding as temp solution to deliver bandwith but ... in the end they'll probably have to bring the fiber pretty close to deviler better speeds to all customers | |
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| Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA | Re: pair bonding? a bandaid solution They're hoping people drop landlines fast enough that they will have enough extra copper pairs but not any faster. | |
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 netwirePremium
join:2001-04-27
Shelby, NC
kudos:1 | How about +1? Since they plan to add so many new customers then they can drive on over here to my house (28114) and feel free to upgrade my box to a DSLAM so I can join in on the broadband fun. | |
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deadzonedPremium
join:2005-04-13
Baton Rouge, LA | Hindsight Their bad business decisions are catching up with them earlier than I could have even imagined!
Cutting corners for immediate profit is never a good idea and can have a major negative impact on future earnings. They should have bitten the bullet, invested in FTTH, and been a little more patient.
The thing that is so stupid about this is that they more than likely made a conscious decision to use inferior technology. When you take into account that they are Cherry Picking the crap out of the U.S. and not even fully deploying U-Verse, then you see how monumentally bad of a move that they have made. I mean at least fully deploy the upgrades to your system, even if it is only FTTN! Your going to have to go FTTH eventually anyway, you could have saved some money. | |
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| Zoder
join:2002-04-16
Miami, FL | Re: Hindsight Unless you plan on retiring before the negative impacts occur. Ed Wittacre can laugh all the way to the bank. | |
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| | ftthzIf love can kill hate can also save
join:2005-10-17 | Re: Hindsight said by Zoder:Unless you plan on retiring before the negative impacts occur. Ed Wittacre can laugh all the way to the bank. lol very true ... keep the investors happy till you quit | |
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| Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA | AT&T banked on U-Verse literally being a last mile technology. The problem is it's only good for about two-thirds of a mile and the average home is closer to two miles from a telco CO. More VRADS and pair bonding will work but at some point the increased costs come too close to doing FTTH in the first place. | |
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| | | | Re: Hindsight U-Verse is specifically designed to be a non-last mile change. If it was it wouldn't use the same copper to the last mile. | |
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|  Old_GrouchDon't just sit there silly DO somethingPremium
join:2004-05-26
Greenwood, IN
kudos:1 | said by deadzoned:Their bad business decisions are catching up with them earlier than I could have even imagined! Their bad business decision left with $$$$$$$$$$ stuffed in every pocket. Why-take-r certainly did. | |
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| | AT&T "Fuzzy Math" How many months ago was it that AT&T reported 25,000 users?
About 3 or so?
Today..they report 40,000.
But claim they're adding about 600 per day...which previously was supposed to be about 1000 per day per the uverse fan club here at BBR.
Hmmm..lets see now.
3 months = about 93 days.
93 days x 600 = 55,800
55,800 + 25,000 = 80,800.
80,800 - 40,000 = 40,800 UVERSE MIA's.
The REAL numbers nationwide wouldn't HAPPEN to look like this, would they AT&T?
40,000 - 25,000 = 15,000
15000/91 = 164 new customers per day.
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|  kpfx
join:2005-10-28
San Antonio, TX
1 edit | Re: AT&T "Fuzzy Math" Perhaps its 600 adds per day... and 436 disconnects or failed installs? | |
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| | | Because they haven't had 600 adds per day for the last 3 months. They are doing 600 adds a day NOW. If you want to know the average number of adds per day, do some math.
40,000 - 25,000 = 15,000
15,000 / 93 = 161
So obviously their new installs have been increasing over time. | |
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| |  CoronaIt's cool, I'm takin it backPremium
join:2000-03-14
Dallas, TX | Re: AT&T "Fuzzy Math" lol, there aren't installs 7 days a week either. | |
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join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA | Q2 2008 for two HD streams? Good lord! Hurry up.
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| bmn? ? ?Premium,ExMod 2003-06
join:2001-03-15
hiatus | Re: Q2 2008 for two HD streams? That's not as bad as Q4 of '08 for Caller ID on your Television screen... How hard could that be ?
Oh wait, that's right... NOT THAT HARD. I saw it demoed not that long ago by a cable company.
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| | | | Re: Q2 2008 for two HD streams? I can do that right now with Dish lol. | |
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| |  imrfPremium
join:2002-06-06
Utica, MI | said by bmn: I saw it demoed not that long ago by a cable company. The second cable company in my backyard has had this going for 6 months now. Doesn't seem to be too tough to deploy. | |
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| en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | looks like no U-verse anytime soon for Valencia Hills... most of the older HOA's including Tempo and Old Orchard have lines that are in such bad shape that they'll have to rewire the entire neighborhood (might as well do FTTP).
Tech was just at the house, as they had a short, and killed POTS (DSL still worked).
They don't expect U-Verse to work in my tract for at least another year. Might as well use my DirecTv coupon that just came in the mail for discounts for the next year. | |
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So where is my favorite troll CWH now????
I've been telling everyone for a very long time how AT&T won't be delivering all these promised `features` like whole-house DVR, multiple HD streams, 100+ HD channels for a very long time.
I could see it coming a mile away so I resigned up for DirecTV for 2 years. I now enjoy HD DVRs in all of my rooms and in just a few short months ( not years ) I'll be enjoying 100+ HD channels.
HAHAHAHA ... and don't think FTTP could save AT&T. I've got FTTP from AT&T and it is having a hard time just maintaining a measly 5MBps without being slowed down from the oversold, underprovisioned backbone. | |
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|  MarkyDPremium
join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK | Re: ROFLMFAO said by Enlightener:HAHAHAHA ... and don't think FTTP could save AT&T. I've got FTTP from AT&T and it is having a hard time just maintaining a measly 5MBps without being slowed down from the oversold, underprovisioned backbone. I'm in the same boat, although I have not had any problems getting consistent speeds on my FTTP. However, if they are having problems with capacity now...at these measly speeds...something is seriously wrong.
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| cwh
join:2006-05-14
San Antonio, TX | Busy with work, family and watching the spurs win game 3.
Disappointing news today no doubt. WHDVR is going to be very late now... Either way, still like the service... | |
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| patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | ATT's backbone sucks. To ping a cable modem sitting right next to me in the same building, my tracerts show I go through texas. Im in CT. I can rarly if ever max out my DSL line. Even on pr0n and sourceforge, apple and ati. I can easily get 30mbit out of those sites from my connection at work, so its not their end. | |
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| | | | Re: ROFLMFAO said by patcat88:ATT's backbone sucks. To ping a cable modem sitting right next to me in the same building, my tracerts show I go through texas. Im in CT. I can rarly if ever max out my DSL line. Even on pr0n and sourceforge, apple and ati. I can easily get 30mbit out of those sites from my connection at work, so its not their end. are you sure its actually through texas? or is that just what the geolocation shows for the IPs? alot of their IPs will show up as texas, but they actually aren't.
and are you sure it isn't a problem with your setup that you can't max out your line? i always max out my dsl line from at&t, unless the server i'm downloading from limits the speed. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: ROFLMFAO said by hypercooljak:are you sure its actually through texas? or is that just what the geolocation shows for the IPs? alot of their IPs will show up as texas, but they actually aren't. Im basing it on tracert's DNS names. I got a 40 ms ping between the 2 modems. | |
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join:2007-01-11 | Time on Who's side? Well, still have another 18 mos. left on the $35 off a mo. from AT&T's 2 yr. Dish deal. So gives em some time to work out the plentiful bugs before my deal is up.
VRAD just installed over the last month 2 houses down and connected to our older phone neighborhood network box in my backyard. Glad they didn't have to also put the VRAD in the backyard too.
Once the AT&T has U-verse humming along rather than the chugging it seems to be doing now might finally get Comcast to rethink their pricing(yeah right!).
With comcast getting close to shutting of cheap analog cable, few people I know that still have comcast are now looking to change. | |
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join:2001-01-03
Chicago, IL | Why even bother ? TV = Satellite
Web = DSL
Phone = Mobile
Until they start rolling out Fiber to homes this is just a waste of time. | |
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| | | Re: Why even bother ? Wisdom stated in few words! | |
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| en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | And that's where I'll be staying for the next year. | |
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join:2004-06-14
Riverhead, NY
1 edit | 2008! YES!
By 2008 AT&T will finally deliver TWO HD streams!!!
and 100mb? wow!
oh wait - i'd have to live in the lot NEXT to the CO to get ANYWHERE that speed!
not to mention that my current residence, and past 4 have been too far out of the loop to get dsl.
not excited. at all. actually, i hope this spells demise for the FTTN idea.
go FTTH - stop f$!@ing around allready! spend the $$$ now, or wait a couple years to re-do it all over again! | |
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| | | Re: 2008! Uhhh...yea...damn that FTTP!
Dude, do you know anyhting about modern telephony? | |
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| | sm2016a
join:2004-03-02
Belleville, IL | Re: 2008! AT&T rep stopped by the house the other day to try and sell me their services and i promptly said no but said when you offer uverse here and have faster internet speeds maybe and his response was 100mbit internet is on its way. That is one of those i will believe it when i see it. I do only live like 2 blocks from the CO. | |
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| | | en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: 2008! doesn't matter if you live 2 blocks from the CO or 2 blocks from a VRAD like I do. VDSL2 might get 100mbps, but at&t currently caps the rate at 25mbps, and of that, 6mbps can be used for Internet.
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join:2000-12-01
Woodstock, GA | Re: 2008! And right now they are using VDSL 1.5 without bonding so 25mbps is all they can get. Bellsouth before ATT killed what they were doing was getting 35 to 40mbps with ADSL2+ at 5000 to 6000 feet. And with MX I saw 80mbps at the NID. | |
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Really trying to make sure they convert everyone they possibly can...and lots have. But then I've heard of a couple of instances where they were told to come out and get their kit, the customer was going back to cable.
This was after dealing with overheating Motorola boxes and field techs not able to get the customer set up they way they wanted to be set up in the time the customer wanted.
Uverse trucks have been seen coming back to some of these installs for DAYS and then back again a week or two later. The investment in time reminds me of when ATT was doing the house mounted dishes but worse. Of course some of this is local startup issues with staff I'm sure.
But the foot sellers were out again recently after a few months since we saw them last...they don't want a single house to go unturned in a neighborhood where they made this investment in infrastructure.
Oddly I knew about Proj. Lightspeed long before anyone in this neighborhood and was anxiously awaiting it...but I've decided to hold off. I had expected better package pricing than what they are presenting and I'm not motivated by the TV deal. I'm happy with DSL and I don't watch that much TV. (Don't get me wrong, I am NO fan of the Cable Company either)
The realization that there's sunk cost in the equipment and fiber into the neighborhood that ONLY this neighborhood can pay for just struck me when I saw the ATT sales staff out on foot again recently. They are going to be motivated to pick up every house they can. It's quite a bit different than the DSL game.
So, I wonder when it goes "on sale"? Interesting to ponder them pricing this by neighborhood, factoring in adoption rate and general household income levels. Nah, they'd never do that. | |
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