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| Good bye AT&T 'Sad to see a famous company in decline. They've thrown away any chance they had at beating the competition (but hey -- aren't they BIG!)
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join:2005-06-24 | Re: Good bye AT&T How are they in decline? They are the leading broadband provider in the US. | |
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| Re: Good bye AT&T said by NewMariner  :How are they in decline? They are the leading broadband provider in the US. He always has to post something negative when it comes to AT&T, regardless if it has any relevancy of the news article...Just look at his post history.
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| Re: Good bye AT&T said by ronpin :said by NewMariner :How are they in decline? They are the leading broadband provider in the US. "leading"??? -- in what way? -- subscriptions?. They also have the lowest maximum speeds of any other major terrestrial broadband provider (i.e. cable). Technology-wise they're in decline. DOCSIS 3 will finish'm off AT&T offers higher speeds than Embarq. At Embarq 5.0M is the highest speed tier available. When I first signed up with them (when it was Sprint) I was paying for 512kbps what AT&T (then SBC) customers where paying for 1.5M.
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| Re: Good bye AT&T Yes, but AT&T also isn't in decline.
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| Re: Good bye AT&T Not in decline?
What do you call a company now in such a position as they have to give their service away for this kind of price?
Good God...they're now on par with NetZero.
Consumers are NOT stupid..(for the most part)...
They understand how to ADD.
And the addition looks like THIS.
Twenty dollars for a pots line that no one in their right mind wants anymore...
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10~15.00 for this slow as molasses DSL service...
Equals, what people can get for TWENTY times and more theses kinds of speeds now on services like Comcasts.
We all know the TRUTH about how many people can't even get DSL, never mind the lowest tier which so many are forced to put up with because of the distance factors.
And, we all KNOW that when people can get 6MB DSL, it's really only 5.2 something factoring in overhead.
And, we all KNOW that when AT&T reaches that tier level, then people wind up paying the same as cable, except with many cable providers you STILL get 3 x's those speeds...
and we all KNOW that AT&T's pathetic answer to all this is Uverse, which still has them trying to rely on those old copper lines buried all over the country.
Uverses subscriber numbers so far are HORRIBLE. Is it any wonder why people now don't want their HDTV delivered to them over that rusting out copper?
What exactly do you see here that isn't "in decline"?
This company is a disaster now and unless they do something quick besides trying to buy more companies to cover up all this..they are headed to one very gigantic fall IMHO.
In case you haven't visited them yet, you'd better run over to the OOL forum..the Cox forum..the Comcast forum....and others.
These cable companies are eating AT&T's lunch, sticking a knife into this company, and watching them bleed to death.
AT&T's phone business and DSL business might very well not be around in 5 years if this keeps up!
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| Re: Good bye AT&T So now that you've submitted circumstantial and opinionated evidence, do you have any number or figures to support that AT&T is in decline.
I think this price offering is smart, and I've actually held the belief that ISPs should be doing this for about 4 years now.
This pricing is not intended to win over Cable users. It is intended to win over dial-up users. There are a good amount of people out there that are on dial-up and are perfectly happy. They check there e-mail a few times a week and maybe get some stock updates. Nothing major. 768kbps is more than what they need, and at $10/month there is no reason for anyone within AT&Ts reach to stay on dial-up.
Even though people can get much faster connection on Cable (and for most on DSL as well) it will cost them a premium. A premium they are not willing to pay for speeds they do not need or want.
This is only a sign that AT&T is willing to be creative in their effort to be competitive.
Can you show me something substantive to support the idea they are in decline. Dropping stocks, dropping customers, dropping profit margins? Something, anything?
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| Re: Good bye AT&T Yea, I can show you something.
How about the last few quarters earnings conference calls where they are discussing the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of lost landline customers each quarter.
And, If you think they are suddenly offering this kind of price out of the goodness of their hearts, you'd better think again. It was a CONDITION of their bell south merger that they HAD to do this.
That's hardly at&t becoming a goodwill ambassador to the poor.
And, do you REALLY think that if they didn't HAVE to do this..or for that matter..offer their other levels of service so cheap...that they would still be doing it?
DSL, priced where it is today..is NOT cheap when you factor in
a)the speeds and
b) the phone line you must have to get it
Cable HSI is a much better value all the way around.
Even at this pricing, a person would have to pay 30.00 + just to get 768k service when you factor it all in.
How is that a better value than 42.95 for Comcast, and it's up to 15,000k and beyond speeds with powerboost?
It's not.
Let's face it. If this company really had a worthwhile product, they wouldn't have to give it away for 15.00 and less. They do it because they have to.
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| Re: Good bye AT&T So the only fact you have is their loss of landline customers. AT&T knows they are losing landlines. That's why they bough AT&T Wireless. Their cell phone service is a large part of their plan to diversify. As cell phones increase in popularity they are still making money.
As far as which is better Cable & DSL, I'm not going down that road. Suffice to say DSL is doing well, just like cable is. Neither are going away any time soon.
I never said they are doing anything out of the goodness of their heart. AT&T is heartless. They are doing it out of the goodness of their investors desire to profit.
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Atlanta, GA | Comcast costs more than $42.95 in my area, even for the more basic package, not to mention if I want to get the speed to match my 6 meg DSL. I also don't have cable, so they charge a higher fee for that. DSL+phone line would cost less. | |
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Phoenix, AZ
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| Yes ,they're access line loss is huge, but they added enough DSL subs to make up for it. All the major telco players have managed to offset their line loss with DSL sales these past two quarters. AT&T still has Cingular which also gobbles up a lot of that line loss as well.
In response to your value proposition of $42.95 Comcast service. You have to realize that this is a really cheap product that is obviously to draw in dial up users who indeed still use a phone line, and have no need for that speed. Just because you play Doom online with your xBOX 360 and need that speed doesn't mean that the average person who uses the internet to check email and surf a bit needs the same connection. I think having a phone line with a lite DSL connection at that price is a great value for someone coming from dial up internet. I think $42.95 for Comcast is a great value for the person who doesn't need a land line, but needs a very high speed internet connection. It's all about the situation, and the majority of the US is more price conscious than megabyte conscious at this point.
I work for Qwest and I always pitch the highest speeds available to each and every customer, but %80 of the time the customer wants the lower tier of DSL because they don't feel like they need anything more than that and don't want to pay for more than that, and they are happy with the service. | |
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| "Cable HSI is a much better value all the way around."
Not necessarily. Think about the people who are stuck with small, expensive cable companies, or no cable at all. If I were to get back with CableOne, getting basic service minimum (No digital cable; just plain plug-into-tv cable), and ordering their 1.5 mbit tier, I would be paying AT MINIMUM $85 per month. Also take note the highest speed my cable company offers is even LOWER than AT&T's: 5 mbit. My cable bill would sky-rocket over $100 if I ordered this, and last time I checked..I don't even think my cable ISP offers offers static IP. | |
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I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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Netcong, NJ
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Cable HSI is a much better value all the way around.
Get on the unemployment line cable stooge.
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join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC | ComcastRick, why you posting anonymous??? | |
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join:2001-10-02
Columbus, OH | Re: Good bye AT&T Anyone else notice how much Rick has changed since he moved to ComCast? | |
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join:2007-06-15
Chicago, IL
| Re: Good bye AT&T It looks like Fiber-to-the-home next year the new evoloution is born. Someone mention after Comcast upgraded to DOCSIS 3.0 AT&T would look in another direction I give that person credit big time. They're looking in a different directions to reclaim market domination.
June 15, 2007 5:34 PM ETAT&T ready to deploy new broadband technologyadvertisement
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All bizjournals.com NewsAT&T Inc. awarded contracts to Alcatel-Lucent Inc. and LM Ericsson Telephone Co. for a planned deployment of broadband technology in "new build" areas of AT&T affiliates' local service territories. Financial terms of the awards were not disclosed.
The technology, known as Gigabit Passive Optical Network (G-PON), is the newest standard for fiber-to-the-home technology with capacity to deliver speeds greater than the current generation technology, according to AT&T.
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The deployment is part of AT&T's U-verse network strategy of bringing digital television and broadband Internet service along with local and long distance voice services to the residential market in one package.
Alcatel-Lucent (NYSE: ALU), based in France, and Ericsson (NASDAQ: ERIC), based in Stockholm, Sweden, will provide the equipment for the deployment of the G-PON technology. Pending successful resolution of testing and certification, the general deployment of G-PON is expected to begin in 2008.
San Antonio-based AT&T (NYSE: T) is a global communications holding company. | |
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San Antonio, TX | Re: Good bye AT&T FTTP in greenfields or new builds has been their plan for a while now. Everything else looks to be FTTN. | |
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Covington, LA | Re: Good bye AT&T Quite right. Though in the southeast they favor FTTC over FTTP. Though the ability is on par with each other. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| said by I love Comcast :
Not in decline?
What do you call a company now in such a position as they have to give their service away for this kind of price?
Good God...they're now on par with NetZero.
Consumers are NOT stupid..(for the most part)...
They understand how to ADD.
Soon they wont. Too many americans belive either you can do math, or you cant. Plus calculators and the general dumbing down of the population will make math voodoo. Go see Idiocracy (2006). | |
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South Bend, IN
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| As soon as you can get me Unlimited Local Calling on a Cell Phone for $11.00/mo + $.05 - .07 per minute for Local Toll & Long distance calls Within The US Canada, and a 6MB Down/768MB Up internet connection with consistent Ping times in the 20-75ms range; Then I'd be inclined to switch from that "pots line that no one in their right mind wants anymore...".
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join:2003-08-06
Tifton, GA
| Well All I have to add to this is there not giving away dsl, dsl reachs a lot more places than cable does in Georgia anyhow. cable pings are higher than dsl, and cable sucks wind from 4- 9 at night, How big of a footprint does comcast have?
Thats what I thought, you will not find comcast where my town is or any other town around here, The bottom line is cable companys are in trouble and thinking they can keep there base by offering all these higher speeds when At&t rolls out the video service and beleve me that service will far surpass anything cable has ever offered, and voip will never be reliable for business's for sure. | |
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| said by I love Comcast :
Consumers are NOT stupid..(for the most part)...
They understand how to ADD.
And the addition looks like THIS.
Twenty dollars for a pots line that no one in their right mind wants anymore...
So, am I stupid, or just crazy! Thanks for looking down on your neighbors. Fortunately, elitist snobs don't get to define what I like, or do.
10~15.00 for this slow as molasses DSL service...
It is faster than dial-up. It may be as fast as many people who can't afford to drive Mercedes and BMWs can afford.
Equals, what people can get for TWENTY times and more theses kinds of speeds now on services like Comcasts.
Comcast is expensive. My price point for HSI is $25. Comcast only drops under that for limited time promotional offers. You have to cancel, then re-sign up to keep those low Comcast prices.
We all know the TRUTH about how many people can't even get DSL, never mind the lowest tier which so many are forced to put up with because of the distance factors.
Huh? How many would that be? Of all the people I know with DSL service, only one was so far out that he couldn't even get 768kbps. Everyone else gets at least 1.5M, with their line stats showing that they can get 3M, or even 6M.
And, we all KNOW that when people can get 6MB DSL, it's really only 5.2 something factoring in overhead.
Assumes the provider won't over provision the speed. Qwest will, and some divisions of Verizon.
And, we all KNOW that when AT&T reaches that tier level, then people wind up paying the same as cable, except with many cable providers you STILL get 3 x's those speeds...
I'd have to pay $56.95 per month for Comcast 4M service, or $56.31 for Comcast 6M service (which would include throwing $13.41 at them for Basic TV; which I don't need because we have DirecTV).
and we all KNOW that AT&T's pathetic answer to all this is Uverse, which still has them trying to rely on those old copper lines buried all over the country.
Last time I looked, the Comcast drops were....Cu.
Uverses subscriber numbers so far are HORRIBLE. Is it any wonder why people now don't want their HDTV delivered to them over that rusting out copper?
The main reason I don't want U-Verse is the same as the main reason I don't want cable TV. Satellite is just fine, thank you.
What exactly do you see here that isn't "in decline"?
This company is a disaster now and unless they do something quick besides trying to buy more companies to cover up all this..they are headed to one very gigantic fall IMHO.
Opinions are like...
In case you haven't visited them yet, you'd better run over to the OOL forum..the Cox forum..the Comcast forum....and others.
And read all the complaints about low speed high latency, and bad routing, eh?
These cable companies are eating AT&T's lunch, sticking a knife into this company, and watching them bleed to death.
AT&T's phone business and DSL business might very well not be around in 5 years if this keeps up!
They'd better QUICKLY do something!
What are you smoking?
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Enumclaw, WA | They're better than Qwest, most people only have the option of 1.5Mbps.
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as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Re: Good bye AT&T said by jinjimbob :Qwest is major, I wish AT&T would buy them. I wish verizon would buy qwest so i'd have at least a chance of getting fios.
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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| Re: Good bye AT&T said by dvd536 :said by jinjimbob :Qwest is major, I wish AT&T would buy them. I wish verizon would buy qwest so i'd have at least a chance of getting fios. FiOS is bleeding Verizon dry. Still many towns are extorting swimming pools from TPC if they want to be grace with the honor of spending billions to wire the town and pay tax on every attachment.
It would be better to have the STICKY TUBE politicians take tax money out of your pocket to build a half arsed WiFi network.
It has only been about 5 months sines New Jersey passed a state wide franchise law. In that short time the pace of FiOS deployment has increased 10 fold in the state. Do the towns have to float a bond to pay for FiOS? Nooooooooooo, the towns get 6% of Verizon's revenue.
Now what has this done for the great unwashed of New Jersey? IT HAS MADE US NUMBER ONE, 1, UNO, THE BIG CHEESE.
New Jersey now stands with the great nations of the world. Those guys in Stansomething and the proud people of Upper Uberland. Check back in another 6 months. | |
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Covington, LA | So you really believe that cable companies are going to burn down their entire structure of DOCSIS 1.1 and build DOCSIS 3.0 compliant plant in 2 years? | |
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join:2005-10-28
Kerrville, TX
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| Re: Good bye AT&T Burn down? Deploying DOCSIS 3.0 is not like the total rebuild of FiOS or the costly Frankenstein monster of U-Verse. Its mostly a software replacement and some router upgrades... and it's still backwards compatible with all the current 1.0/1.1/2.0 modems out there.
Just get a new modem when you sign up for that new 100 Mbps Uber-Internet tier.  | |
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join:2004-03-19
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| Re: Good bye AT&T And how many node splits are you going to need to do? I don't think 1500 customers will really be able to get 30Mb/s off of a single node no matter the software.
I admit, I'm not intimately knowlegable about HFC plant but from what I've seen, if you had to rank ease of upgrade it's U-Verse then DOCSIS 3.0 then FiOS. And this is the first I've ever heard about 1.1 modems being able to do 3.0 speeds. | |
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I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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| said by ronpin :said by NewMariner :How are they in decline? They are the leading broadband provider in the US. "leading"??? -- in what way? -- subscriptions?. They also have the lowest maximum speeds of any other major terrestrial broadband provider (i.e. cable). Technology-wise they're in decline. DOCSIS 3 will finish'm off Aliens from the planet Dork will finish you off first. | |
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Austin, TX | LOL!!! Wow, you guys are really reaching in your attempts to show that AT&T is in "decline". Don't pull a muscle trying to validate that nonsense. | |
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ansar
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join:2004-12-10
Utica, MS
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| Price reduction and speed increase to DSL Lite? Sounds like a perfect plan for my Father-in-law. He currently has DSL lite for $25 a month. It would be nice if he got a speed increase and a price reduction at the same time. 
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Margate City, NJ
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| Re: Price reduction and speed increase to DSL Lite? said by ansar :Sounds like a perfect plan for my Father-in-law. He currently has DSL lite for $25 a month. It would be nice if he got a speed increase and a price reduction at the same time. I will believe it when I see it though. Existing customers don't get the deal. But he will go from 256/128 to 768/128. The $10 deal is only for NEW customers.
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Utica, MS | Re: Price reduction and speed increase to DSL Lite? Ahh, still nice for my father-in-law.
I remember a friend of mine told me to go home and reboot my timewarner cable modem and I would go from 4M to 6M service. Sure enough, I did and I got the speed increase. | |
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join:2004-09-15
Birmingham, AL | It's not naked? I thought the condition was naked DSL for $10.00. Can anyone confirm this? | |
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join:2002-04-16
Miami, FL | Re: It's not naked? That was a separate condition that has to be rolled out before the end of the year. I also believe it is for around $20. | |
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Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH | Re: It's not naked? I don't look for it to be much less than $25 you have to add in the fees for it. Dry-Line DSL now by AT&T is actually more than ordering the phone line. NO savings at all. | |
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join:2000-01-11
Atlanta, GA
| Typical... I knew when I clicked on this that the whiners here would turn this into something negative.
Hmmmm, $10 DSL? Free speed upgrades (triple the speed!) for existing customers on the "Lite" tier? The horror, the horror!
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join:2003-07-20
Greer, SC | Gee now if I could just get the advertised speed All they will offer me is the 1.5 speed which has averaged 600-900 for over 2 years. | |
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join:2003-01-14
Earth
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| Re: Gee now if I could just get the advertised speed said by rid0617 :All they will offer me is the 1.5 speed which has averaged 600-900 for over 2 years. Maybe you should call in a ticket or visit the Direct forum here: »/forum/sbcdirect to try to fix the issue.
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join:2003-07-20
Greer, SC | Re: Gee now if I could just get the advertised speed Oh I've done all that. Bell South techs come out here and said the problem is distance. Told me 2 years ago they would be upgrading but now they say they have no idea. Not totally complaining. At least it's a rock solid 600-900 | |
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