 Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| ISPs that greedy? i mean holy crap, not only do they want google to pay them so their customers can even get to google at better then 24kbps speeds now this one is injecting ads.
can bet if comcast starts this ill be tinkering with my hosts file.
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 | TurtleFan
join:2003-05-03
Wyckoff, NJ
| Re: ISPs that greedy? So does this mean that if my site, which is currently add free, gets viewed by someone on a Verizon connection, an add will instantly pop up?
Good God commercialism has gone to far. These companies can not POSSIBLY be hurting that badly to consider injecting even more adds into a society that already ignores them.
Where do I go to bitch about it? | |
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FiL
Premium
join:2005-08-16
Silver Spring, MD
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June 25th, @11:38AM
| Re: ISPs that greedy? "These companies can not POSSIBLY be hurting that badly "
Thats my whole point right there... Layoffs, payoffs, greed schemes; from a multi-billion dollar industry. They tell you their hurting, yea, hurtin' for more n more cash. These companies make money then outsource the labor once stockholders are paid off. Employees get dick returns on investment because their not outside investors, Shit is all a game, but we blame the Mexicans for the lacking economy.
Eh, its the American Way...
I hope if ever comcast does this, avast!and zone-alarm nuke the shit outa the ads. | |
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ctceo
Premium
join:2001-04-26
South Bend, IN
clubs:
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| Re: ISPs that greedy? It's not 'bout hurting. It's about the possibility to make more greed, ahem, I mean Green. | |
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join:2001-10-02
Columbus, OH
 ·AT&T Midwest
| said by TurtleFan  :So does this mean that if my site, which is currently add free, gets viewed by someone on a Verizon connection, an add will instantly pop up? No, but it means someone on a Redmon (the ISP mentioned) will see an ad on the page (not a popup from the wording in the article - they actually modify the page source to, uh, add the ad). Verizon is using a DNS redirection service so if you mistype a URL that would otherwise be 404, you get a site-finder type page.
I suspect the people whose pages are being modified will be the end of this via lawsuits. That's how one of the spyware vendors got nailed (Gator maybe?) - they were popping up competitor's ads over the ads on a page. I think it was 1800Contacts that went after them. I also think an ISP that modifies the page before their suscriber recieves it should lose their common carrier status. | |
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join:2001-08-01
Youngsville, PA
 ·WestPAnet Inc. CA..
·Verizon Online DSL
 ·Vonage
| Re: ISPs that greedy? "Common carrier status"? WTF is that? As far as I know all ISPs in the US are not regulated in any way. They can do what they want, serve pages how they want, modify content, just do whatever they want to with no regulation.
While I agree that no customer base would stand for this, smaller ISPs may get away with it. Also, many people simply would not notice something like that, believe it or not, and would just dismiss them as simple ads.
One of the sad things about how the US regulated things. The big ISPs, like Verizon, were regulated a little while the mom and pops where not which let them pave the way for the ad type crap but let the big guys take over after the small guys did some of the "nasty stuff". | |
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Doctor Olds
I Need A Remedy For What's Ailing Me.
Premium,VIP
join:2001-04-19
1970 442 W30
clubs:
| Re: ISPs that greedy? said by keyboard5684 :"Common carrier status"? WTF is that? Actually it is coveted and keeps the IAP (Internet Access Providers) from being sued as accomplices/enablers of IP theft.
quote:
Section 202(a) of the Communications Act. Section 202(a) of the Communications Act provides:
It shall be unlawful for any common carrier to make any unjust or unreasonable discrimination in charges, practices, classifications, regulations, facilities, or services for or in connection with like communication service, directly or indirectly, by any means or device, or to make or give any undue or unreasonable preference or advantage to any particular person, class of persons, or locality, or to subject any particular person, class of persons, or locality to any undue or unreasonable prejudice or disadvantage.
§ 741. Common carrier status of corporation; laws applicable to corporation; common carrier activity; conflict of laws
»www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/···00-.html
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The corporation shall be deemed to be a common carrier within the meaning of section 3(h) [1] of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended, and as such shall be fully subject to the provisions of title II [47 U.S.C. 201 et seq.] and title III [47 U.S.C. 301 et seq.] of that Act. The provision of satellite terminal station facilities by one communication common carrier to one or more other communications common carriers shall be deemed to be a common carrier activity fully subject to the Communications Act [47 U.S.C. 151 et seq.]. Whenever the application of the provisions of this chapter shall be inconsistent with the application of the provisions of the Communications Act, the provisions of this chapter shall govern.
More brain food:
Common Carrier at wiki
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_carrier
Telecommunications Act of 1996
»www.fcc.gov/telecom.html
Opinion: The ISP—The Uncommon Carrier
»www.cisco.com/web/about/ac123/ac···ier.html
Enjoy the awakening. 
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by TurtleFan :So does this mean that if my site, which is currently add free, gets viewed by someone on a Verizon connection, an add will instantly pop up? Good God commercialism has gone to far. These companies can not POSSIBLY be hurting that badly to consider injecting even more adds into a society that already ignores them. Where do I go to bitch about it? MONEY talks and bullshit walks. good luck getting anyone to listen.
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NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
Premium
join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX
| Sue them in court for putting ad's in your site without paying you. You have a right to what ad's you run. How would you feel if they were putting political ads on your site that was against your site's message.
Seriously someone needs to stand up to this and nix it in the butt now. This is revenue stealing and in some cases worse. | |
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cheesy bob
@qwest.net | the easy solution
thwart them by using firefox with ad block pro | |
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| Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | watch if you block it somehow you get a nastygram from the ISP because they will work it into the TOU that you cant block their ads.
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LeeWL
join:2002-11-10
Morrisville, NC
| First Step? So, I wonder if eventually this will cause problems for alternate DNS services like OpenDNS. They do pretty much the same thing, but since in most cases you are getting better DNS out of the deal (I know most Bellsouth users have reported big improvements) it is an even trade.
If the ISP is making money off the 404 page, will they ban users from going to alternate DNS services via the terms and conditions? | |
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karlj1
join:2004-01-25
Ottawa, ON | Ever Heard of Content Filters? I use Firefox with AdblockPlus (which is consistently updated). I also use RemoveItPermanently. I haven't seen web page advertising in several months. | |
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swhx7
Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Ever Heard of Content Filters? Ad-blocking may be a solution if all you care about is the advertising. For me, it would be unacceptable to have all my traffic going through this third-party service's proxy.
It's bad enough when an ISP monitors all the customer's traffic. But this is data-mining *plus* farming it out to another company for a cut of the profit.
They promise the ISP's subscribers respect for their privacy, while at the same time promising advertisers and ISPs that the advertising is highly "targeted" by a "behavioral" profile - that means a record of everything you do online.
And it's still even worse than all that. If you look at the pdf's from the scummy ad-inserter companies, you find that it's not only data-mining, it's also filtering out what are considered "bad" sites or files, by whatever standard.
I would rather go back to dialup than be subjected to this treatment. | |
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tschmidt
Premium,MVM
join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: Ever Heard of Content Filters? said by swhx7 :Ad-blocking may be a solution if all you care about is the advertising. For me, it would be unacceptable to have all my traffic going through this third-party service's proxy. Traditional ad-blocking will probably not be effective. Since everything goes through the ISP they could hide the real URL of the advertisement, perhaps make it look like everything was coming from the ISP. Or they could play whack-a-mole and vary the URL.
When you are the man-in-the-middle you have a tremendous amount of power to modify pages that are going to be hard to detect or defeat.
This is not a happy situation.
All I want from my ISP is to deliver the bits, no more no less.
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ablack6596
join:2005-01-28
Scarsdale, NY | The sites I visit depend on that advertising to stay up. I like to actually support sites that I like. | |
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swhx7
Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Ever Heard of Content Filters? said by ablack6596 :The sites I visit depend on that advertising to stay up. I like to actually support sites that I like.
Then you should be against this too. The ad-insertion services offer *removal* of ads that that the site owner has put in the pages and advertisers have paid for, while it replaces them with its own. | |
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ablack6596
join:2005-01-28
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| jfmezei
Premium
join:2007-01-03
Beaconsfield, QC
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| The population as a whole MUST not accept these tactics because their local software compensates for the sillyness of the ISP or DNS server.
The population must send a strong message that it is totally unacceptable for an ISP to thinker with content of pages and or DNS redirection. | |
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microserf
@cgocable.net
| Copyright for all NebuAD says that this technology "opens new revenue streams to service providers by enabling them to monetize advertising served to their subscribers with no up-front cost and no impact to their existing networks."
I'll show them expenses.
Who cares about user annoyance when you've progressed to theft? If I publish a page and some click-streaming jackdaw of an ISP tries to usurp my ad revenue, I'll be a knockin' soon. | |
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Jason Levine
Premium
join:2001-07-13
Albany, NY
| Re: Copyright for all I've got to agree. If I'm providing my page ad-free what gives the ISP the right to put ads into my page? My page is a copyrighted work which I'm granting the user a license to view, print, etc. The ISP is merely the pipe between the user and my server. If I shipped a document via FedEx, should they be allowed to print ads all over it because it "opens new revenue streams"?
If I decide to put ads on my page, these additional ads are going to reduce the revenue of the ads that I put on. Will the ISP compensate me for "lost potential revenue" due to their ad injections?
And when these ads annoy users, guess who is going to get blamed? I'll give you a hint, it won't be the ISP. Content Providers are going to get angry e-mails from users who (pretty rightfully) assume that the content providers are the ones who put the ads there. I'll likely lose users who don't like the fact that I "put so many ads" on my pages, even though it's not my ads. (Then there will be the users who see the ads appearing on other pages also and will reason that I somehow infected them with spyware.)
"Enhancing the browsing experience of users through our innovative behavioral analysis solutions"? I don't think so. More like "copyright infringement, revenue stealing, and user dispersion in the hopes of making an extra buck or two." | |
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join:2001-10-02
Columbus, OH
·AT&T Midwest
| Re: Copyright for all said by Jason Levine :I've got to agree. If I'm providing my page ad-free what gives the ISP the right to put ads into my page? My page is a copyrighted work which I'm granting the user a license to view, print, etc. The ISP is merely the pipe between the user and my server. If I shipped a document via FedEx, should they be allowed to print ads all over it because it "opens new revenue streams"? 1. Put a note on your page saying it's ad free and if the end user is seeing ads, they need to check for a malware infestation or a shady ISP. Include an article on this new annoyance on your site and link it in your note.
2. FedEx may be able to get away with putting ads on the outside of the package, but not inside it. Thanks for giving them ideas.  | |
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Jason Levine
Premium
join:2001-07-13
Albany, NY
| Re: Copyright for all said by dentman42 :1. Put a note on your page saying it's ad free and if the end user is seeing ads, they need to check for a malware infestation or a shady ISP. Include an article on this new annoyance on your site and link it in your note. Except that a lot of users don't bother reading. I have an Intranet application I've developed and, for security reasons, the user has to confirm their login with their Date of Birth. Right next to the fields is a prompt to enter your DOB in MM/DD/YYYY format. I can't tell you how many times I get users saying "I entered the month but now the stupid thing won't let me enter anything else." After I tell them to enter it in MM/DD/YYYY format, and they try that, it "magically" works.
A "This page is Ad Free" note would either a) have to be big enough to be noticeable by all users but in doing so would annoy most of my users or b) be small enough to not annoy most of my users but would then be overlooked by the users most likely to complain about the ads that "I" added to my page.
Also, this doesn't address the situation of me actually putting ads on my page, but having their value reduced by the ISP's ads.
As a side note, I wonder if this could cause contract disputes. Say I run a very popular website and Company X wants to advertise on it. They pay me a hunk of money to be the sole advertiser on my website. Now someone at Company X goes home and happens to browse my website. They see the ads that the ISP puts on the page and proceed to call their company lawyers. The lawyers take me to task for breaking the terms of our contract ("sole advertiser").
Depending on the contract, Company X might a) pull their advertising (depriving me of future income), b) demand a refund (depriving me of already-earned income), or even c) take me to court (costing me time and money). Even in the best case scenario of me recognizing what has happened and explaining it before it gets out of hand, the ISP's ads could cost Company X and me time and energy to sorting the whole matter out. | |
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swhx7
Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
·RoadRunner Cable
| said by microserf :
I'll show them expenses.
Who cares about user annoyance when you've progressed to theft? If I publish a page and some click-streaming jackdaw of an ISP tries to usurp my ad revenue, I'll be a knockin' soon.
This was what I thought too, at first glance, but unfortunately I don't think you would have a case.
Consider the worst case. You publish a page and advertisers are paying you to place their ads; the spam-box outfit removes your ads and replaces them with its own. You find at least one person who is a visitor to your site and a subscriber of the ISP that has hired the spam box, who will testify that he wanted your page unmolested, with ads that you intended. And you sue for at least (a) interference with contract and (b) copyright infringement, because they altered your page withough permission. Maybe you get your advertisers as co-plaintiffs.
Looks good right? But wait, the web user has a right to do what he wants with the page once he receives it, right? For example using Proxomitron to filter unwanted content. And the users can hire the ISP to filter things on their behalf. So the defendant ISP makes the subscribers "agree" to "terms of use" which say that the subscriber requests the ISP to do this. The subscriber doesn't *really* want this but has to "agree" to it in order to use the ISP. | |
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs: | Firefox + Adblock + w/EasyList Solves that problem real easily. Or a simple call to disconnect service. | |
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Rob
In Deo speramus
Premium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
·Comcast
·AT&T Southeast
| Re: You can opt out of this said by TK Junk Mail :You can block their crap 2 ways: Use the adblock capability of Firefox add-ons or solutions from other providers. Just kill everything from faireagle.com. Use Fair Eagle's opt-out cookie which is available here: » www.faireagle.com/faireagle/opt_out.htmlThough, if I was a customer of Redmoon, I'd complain and if the policy wasn't changed, I'd look for a different ISP. I love how all these 'features' provided by the ISPs require you to "opt out" instead of "opt in".
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yock
The Internet Is For Porn
Premium
join:2000-11-21
Fairfield, OH
| Re: You can opt out of this Who'd be stupid enough to opt-in? They know exactly what they're doing, and are banking on the laziness of their customer base as a revenue stream.
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Rob
In Deo speramus
Premium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
·Comcast
·AT&T Southeast
| Re: You can opt out of this said by yock :Who'd be stupid enough to opt-in? They know exactly what they're doing, and are banking on the laziness of their customer base as a revenue stream. I know a few people who like the DNS redirection 'feature' when a domain they type in doesn't exist.
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Elf Wizard
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | they are also banking on the fact most ISP customers dont even know what a cookie is. so how would they know how to setup a blocking cookie.
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hpguru
Curb Your Dogma
Premium
join:2002-04-12
| And be tracked as one who opted out? How stupid! Better if site owners sue them out of business for copyright infringement.
Sheesh what's next? ISPs injecting spyware into requested webpages?
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deadi
Premium
join:2001-08-26
Perry, OH | The opt out is not fair to the average consumer. Most have no clue what a cookie is.
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| | ossito16
join:2004-07-31
Whiting, IN
·RCN CABLE
| Re: You can opt out of this said by deadi :The opt out is not fair to the average consumer. Most have no clue what a cookie is. I agree with you. This is why we i.e techies and dslreport users need to teach the public. I am looking into getting a grant to fund a free class to teach people in the community about internet and the whole process of information gathering. I urge others in these forums to do the same. | |
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| otis_sh
join:2007-05-04
Ann Arbor, MI
| It's not really an opt-out. If I have to have a cookie enabled that's not really opt-out.
Opt-out means you don't do it to me. Requiring me to use cookies when my browser specifically allows me to "never accept any cookies from anyone" breaks the functionality of my browser.
There is no way to opt out without breaking the functionality of my browser. Although I think the permanent solution lies in the court system, a useful stop-gap measure until these machines get outlawed would be a browser extension that filters the incoming html and removes the inserted code. | |
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deadi
Premium
join:2001-08-26
Perry, OH
| Re: You can opt out of this Yep, This is in conflict with the new requirement to keep cookies for your bank if you use online banking. There really is no way to manage cookies easily, especially when they are named strange and unrecognizable.
The public needs to be educated but the majority basically do not care or have the time to learn. I applaud anyone that takes the time to teach and or learn about such things.
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jamez818
please hold during the silence
join:2000-09-18
Sunland, CA
·EarthLink
| TW ad on AT&T Yahoo e-mail I not sure if this is related but when I was checking my AT&T Yahoo e-mail at the very top I saw an ad to sign up for TW. Kind of weird but I guess TW has to show ads on cable TV for AT&T so this is payback then.
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pokesph
It Is Almost Fast
join:2001-06-25
Sacramento, CA
clubs:
·Comcast
| Forced Ads I only have one comment at this time:
WTF?
on second thought.. I'd likely dump these people as a service provider.. I sure as h3!! don't want these "FEATURES" that, in THEIR OPINION, "are dedicated to enhancing the browsing experience of users through our innovative behavioral analysis solutions." Yeah, right... since when is ads a browsing enhancement.. no thank you, i'd like to be able to have just the connection please, no cream, no frosting.. nothing added.. fat-free.. you get the idea..
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jjoshua
Premium
join:2001-06-01
Scotch Plains, NJ
·Comcast
| Solution is to use HTTPS Sites that use HTTPS would be immune to this sort of crap.
I suggest that this site support HTTPS access. Many *object*.
»https access
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deadi
Premium
join:2001-08-26
Perry, OH
| Switcharooo I can see going to a web site to do some shopping and getting t redirected to the competitor. They really need to consider what is fair to the consumer and the advertisers.
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viperpa33s
Why Me?
Premium
join:2002-12-20
Bradenton, FL
·Bright House
| Fancy terms " The Fair Eagle webpage insists the technology "is dedicated to enhancing the browsing experience of users through our innovative behavioral analysis solutions." How come when companies like this want to annoy you they use fancy terms like, enhancing the browsing experience of users? Like I am really going to lose sleep cause I am afraid I will miss out on there advertisements. It would only make me want to use the internet less. Of course they don't make it easy for you to opt out.
This company is like having a bad neighbor. | |
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otis_sh
join:2007-05-04
Ann Arbor, MI
| fight back It works by inserting code into existing webpages.
We need to make an extension, or a filter, so as our browser is rendering the page, it removes that code. That ought not be rather difficult.
This would make the device useless.
What these ISPs are doing is criminal behavior and it is completely unacceptable. If this becomes mainstream then the functionality to remove the code it inserts will simply become part of all internet browsers.
It shouldn't be that difficult or resource-consuming to identify the code and remove it on the browser's end. If they change the code the machine injects, the browser will simply change the code it removes.
If it works by insterting code, then our browsers will simply have to work by identifying and removing that code. | |
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| TurtleFan
join:2003-05-03
Wyckoff, NJ
| Re: fight back This is what happens when big business gets too big. There should be some kind of law that limits the powers of business that get to be this size so they don't screw over the average consumer. Sadly, this won't happen so long as most politicians are rich business men.
So, does anyone have any addresses we can write too to complain? I was going to post it on my myspace page, and web blog, but figured it would be good to have that info first  . | |
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
·ViaTalk
| Re: fight back Yeah, monoliths like Redmoon and Fair Eagle sure have become household names... 
This has nothing to do with the size of the company, and everything to do with calculated risk -- they figure that the revenue they earn will offset the small percentage of users that get pissed off. | |
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canreo
join:2005-12-11
The Colony, TX
| Strike Back As web developers, we should write code that not only detects and disables Fair Eagles' ads if they are launched on one of our sites, but also throws up a warning in it's place that says:
"WARNING: Your ISP is attempting to place advertisements without your direct consent. Click here to complain to your ISP. Click here to view a list of ISPs in your area that do not promote this practice." | |
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| Necronomikro
join:2005-09-01
| Re: Strike Back Unfortunately, this would be a man in the middle attack. Writing a site that would let you know would be practically impossible. It is possible, however, that you could come up with a javascript script that would display something to the customer if it's being blocked. it would not, however, talk back to you... (without the browser sending data back, which is unsafe and thus would be turned off by default). This may not be impossible, but, it's pretty close to it. | |
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swhx7
Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Strike Back There's no way you could strip out the spam-box content, because it gets added at the last step before the browser gets the page. However, it would be possible to fight back with Javascript as canreo suggests.
Put a script in your page to parse thru the page and detect any elements or strings that are characteristic of the spam-box hijack stuff. A user who doesn't have Javascript turned on won't see the spam-box stuff anyway, and if they do have JS on, your script can alert them, and provide a link to report it to you. It could even report without user interaction, via XmlHttpRequest, though that would be sneaky.
If this became common, the result would probably be an "arms race" as the spam-box companies would either strip the page author's countermeasures, or make their own code harder to spot. | |
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| otis_sh
join:2007-05-04
Ann Arbor, MI | Encrypting the entire website sounds like it might be a good idea. Just have the whole website be https. Might cost a little more for the certificate, but this would be one way around it. | |
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swhx7
Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Strike Back said by otis_sh :Encrypting the entire website sounds like it might be a good idea. Just have the whole website be https. Might cost a little more for the certificate, but this would be one way around it.
Actually, if you're in control of a transparent proxy that all the users' traffic goes through, you're in a perfect position to execute a man-in-the-middle attack. This would give them full access to encrypted data.
They'll probably promise not to do this, and I hope they would be sued into bankruptcy or prosecuted if they do. I'm just pointing out that technically, customers of these compromised ISPs have no security against it.
I keep discovering new aspects of how evil this whole scheme is. Anyone who's been sold out to one of these services, if you object, tell your ISP and if they don't back it off, go to another ISP and tell yours why you're leaving, and warn others. We should all write to our legislators and ask for laws against this sort of thing. | |
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join:2006-10-28
Cypress, TX | whole new spin on net neutrality
that's why it's good to use stuff like:
openNIC
SSL
TOR
Firefox and Adblock Plus
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cbs228
Geeks Of The World, Unite
join:2000-09-04
Saint Louis, MO
|  Copyright Infringement
Altering another author's work and distributing it is known as making a derivative work and is illegal under U.S. copyright law. These derivative works are not protected under fair use since the entire work is used for commercial benefit at the expense of the author.
Any ISP that participates in this program should expect lawsuits landing on their desks right about now.
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ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
Premium
join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA | Re: Copyright Infringement Amen! | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ | Isn't this what the gator spyware did? | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | Re: Copyright Infringement Yes | |
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cork1958
Cork
join:2000-02-26
Fruitport, MI | what are ads? Haven't seen many ads anywhere in ages!
This would REALLY suck for ISP's to do this though. | |
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ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
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join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
 ·Covad Wireless
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June 25th, @11:31AM
| That's insane If Verizon and TWC do this I'll simply cancel and not use internet service at home.
Meanwhile ICANN needs to step in and stop companies that do this sorta stuff (break DNS, modify web pages in transit).
At the same time content providers should immediately file suit against the ISP for modifying (inserting the ads) and republishing (passing on this new page with the ads) their copyrighted work.
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kyler13
Is your fiber grounded?
join:2006-12-12
Arnold, MD
·ViaTalk
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Collapse of the internet? I didn't see anyone touch on this, and maybe I'm mis-interpreting this new "feature", but are they implying they would superimpose their own ads over top of the ads on a website? Think about all the big ISPs out there and if they all did that. It would render advetising directly on a site useless and would cut off revenue streams for sites that depend on it for support. Then everything would trend towards subscriptions. No thanks. This would be a case of big business squashing small business and I don't see it happening. | |
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Pashune
Your average, anemic person.
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join:2006-04-14
Gautier, MS | Treewalk.. Gives me another reason to love my Treewalk DNS + the fact it has built in ad-blocking (if you configure it to do so)
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| jp10558
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Willseyville, NY | Re: Treewalk.. How does Outpost's DNS plugin compare to Treewalk for DNS service?
How often do the host ad blocking break sites? | |
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ISPs Injecting Ads Into Pages
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