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Riverhead, NY | Re: Unlimited :) I use plenty of data on AT&T, and have never seen a "letter".
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| said by fcisler  :I use plenty of data on AT&T, and have never seen a "letter". Is using iTunes OPTIONAL to activate the phone? Geez...I guess that Apple/AT&T figured calling a number was too hard.... Yes it is optional. You can activate at the store the usual way, with the salesman doing it.
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| said by Jeffrey :So what are the limits on the unlimited data? Anyone find it yet in the small print? I have a feeling we're going to see one of those invisible verizon unlimited limits. May be I'm wrong, but come on--no such thing as unlimited.  Actually, AT&T could probably get away with billing the service as unlimited without actually cracking down on people. EDGE is so slow (80kbps, I don't know how they made up 200kpbs) that there is no way most users will reach any limit. Even if a user is on the data connection continuously, the worst they will do is download about 25MB to 26MB a month. This assumes 80kbps as the speed, 86400 seconds in a day, 30 days in a month, 8 bits in a byte and 1048576 bytes to a megabyte.
ed. Bad Math - blame lack of coffee.
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| Re: Unlimited :) said by pnh102 :said by Jeffrey :So what are the limits on the unlimited data? Anyone find it yet in the small print? I have a feeling we're going to see one of those invisible verizon unlimited limits. May be I'm wrong, but come on--no such thing as unlimited. Actually, AT&T could probably get away with billing the service as unlimited without actually cracking down on people. EDGE is so slow (80kbps, I don't know how they made up 200kpbs) that there is no way most users will reach any limit. Even if a user is on the data connection continuously, the worst they will do is download about 25MB to 26MB a month. This assumes 80kbps as the speed, 86400 seconds in a day, 30 days in a month, 8 bits in a byte and 1048576 bytes to a megabyte. What is that, the ONE YouTube video they are touting in their commercial?
"This is YouTube on your phone. It'll take a month to buffer before you can watch it, but it'll eventually come in."
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| Re: Unlimited :) said by MattE :What is that, the ONE YouTube video they are touting in their commercial? Perhaps they have it cached in the device
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| said by MattE :said by pnh102 :said by Jeffrey :So what are the limits on the unlimited data? Anyone find it yet in the small print? I have a feeling we're going to see one of those invisible verizon unlimited limits. May be I'm wrong, but come on--no such thing as unlimited. Actually, AT&T could probably get away with billing the service as unlimited without actually cracking down on people. EDGE is so slow (80kbps, I don't know how they made up 200kpbs) that there is no way most users will reach any limit. Even if a user is on the data connection continuously, the worst they will do is download about 25MB to 26MB a month. This assumes 80kbps as the speed, 86400 seconds in a day, 30 days in a month, 8 bits in a byte and 1048576 bytes to a megabyte. What is that, the ONE YouTube video they are touting in their commercial? "This is YouTube on your phone. It'll take a month to buffer before you can watch it, but it'll eventually come in." Wi-Fi
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| Re: Unlimited :) said by cpayne5 :25-26GB Yea you're right... I forgot to convert kb to b (and multiply by 1024).
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| Re: Unlimited :) said by ColorBASIC :They haven't yet. I haven't, nor have I heard of anyone getting an abuse letter from AT&T for excessive use. True true... and to be fair to AT&T, if they were doing this, we'd be hearing more about it here, as we have with Comcast and Verizon. It is entirely possible that AT&T won't care about unlimited data.
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| Re: Unlimited :) said by cvrefugee :Tell me again why Apple didn't go with a CDMA carrier (Sprint/Verizon) so they could have faster EVDO speeds? I can't remember. Because CDMA is only of use in North America, which renders it a non-starter for a lot of potential customers (myself included). | |
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| Re: Unlimited :) said by DMS1 :said by cvrefugee :Tell me again why Apple didn't go with a CDMA carrier (Sprint/Verizon) so they could have faster EVDO speeds? I can't remember. Because CDMA is only of use in North America, which renders it a non-starter for a lot of potential customers (myself included). I thought it was only being released in North America, my mistake. | |
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| Re: Unlimited :) said by cvrefugee :said by DMS1 :said by cvrefugee :Tell me again why Apple didn't go with a CDMA carrier (Sprint/Verizon) so they could have faster EVDO speeds? I can't remember. Because CDMA is only of use in North America, which renders it a non-starter for a lot of potential customers (myself included). I thought it was only being released in North America, my mistake. It's not where it's being released, but where it can be used. If you travel outside North America with a CDMA phone it becomes a useless paperweight, whereas GSM phones work world-wide. | |
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| Re: Unlimited :) said by DMS1 :It's not where it's being released, but where it can be used. If you travel outside North America with a CDMA phone it becomes a useless paperweight, whereas GSM phones work world-wide. I don't travel outside of North America, so what's the allure of purchasing a $600 phone that has shitty data speeds? | |
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Corona, CA | Re: Unlimited :) If you don't see the allure of it, don't buy it.
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| said by cvrefugee :said by DMS1 :It's not where it's being released, but where it can be used. If you travel outside North America with a CDMA phone it becomes a useless paperweight, whereas GSM phones work world-wide. I don't travel outside of North America, so what's the allure of purchasing a $600 phone that has shitty data speeds? having a cutesy device with an apple logo on it.
just slap an apple logo on something and people will flock to it paying double/triple what its really worth.
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| I think Apple went with EDGE because of battery life. There is a fair amount of HSDPA or UMTs in the US. My Hermes Tytn has 3g in plenty of spots in the US.
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| said by cvrefugee :said by DMS1 :It's not where it's being released, but where it can be used. If you travel outside North America with a CDMA phone it becomes a useless paperweight, whereas GSM phones work world-wide. I don't travel outside of North America, so what's the allure of purchasing a $600 phone that has shitty data speeds? Not only CDMA has higher speeds. If Apple wanted faster speeds, they could have stayed with cingular and just added 3G to their phones. Who knows, maybe like in some macs with Wireless-N, 3G is there ,and just needs to be enabled via software.
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| Re: Unlimited :) said by AdamB :said by DMS1 :said by cvrefugee :Tell me again why Apple didn't go with a CDMA carrier (Sprint/Verizon) so they could have faster EVDO speeds? I can't remember. Because CDMA is only of use in North America, which renders it a non-starter for a lot of potential customers (myself included). I guess a lot of Asia is in North America now  Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't all the Asian CDMA systems W-CDMA, which is different from the CDMA and CDMA2000 systems used in North America? | |
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| Japan and S. Korea have nationwide CDMA/CDMA2000 and Mainland China, Hong-Kong, Thailand and a few other countries have limited CDMA coverage, as well as Australia and New Zealand.
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| The contract includes a data pledge against large ftps and downloads. No explanation.
BTW if you are in a 3G area the data rates are 1Meg symmetric( Los Angeles) or even 2 Meg in the enhanced areas (Phoenix)
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| Couldn't care less People, I couldn't care less about the iPhone. I am a cell phone junkie, and I'm eager to see what the likes of Nokia, HTC, Motorola et al. will counter the iPhone with. OK, there's the HTC Touch, but it's quite underpowered.
Which brings me to the next point. With new phones coming out every 6 months or so, will Apple have a stream of new phones coming down the pipeline, or will the iPhone be a one-hit wonder? I'm betting the latter. Not to troll or anything, but I think the iPhone at this price point WITH a contract will be a major flop. That and the Apple TV thing (does it really do anything that other recorders do not???).
Last, but not least, I love my iPod, and I'm sick to my stomach about all iPod-related sites and forums being flooded with iPhone-related crap.
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5k is virtually unlimited though. And I am pretty sure that place includes mobile to mobile unlimited.
doesn't matter though, EDGE is shit for a phone that touts so many data intensive apps like youtube.
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Tallahassee, FL | Re: No Unlimited N/W? Sprint's EVDO Rev A network would have been a perfect match for this phone. Forget YouTube, they could stream 700kbps bitrate DIVX movies in realtime on that network.
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| said by inteller :they don't do unlimited on those packages. The next one up is unlimited N&W and MtM.
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Wonder if that is an oversight or if there is something about Vista Home Basic that would stop someone from running iTunes (and thus activating an iPhone) with it.
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...the latest version of iTunes available at www.itunes.com and a PC or Mac with a USB 2.0 port and one of the following operating systems: Mac OS® X v10.4.10 or later; Windows XP Home or Professional with Service Pack 2 or later; or Windows Vista Home Premium, Business, Enterprise or Ultimate Edition.
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| But really, who cares You guys are going on about bandwidth limits yada yada, IT'S A PHONE! A $500 phone that plays iTunes and maybe on a good day can stream some youtube video. Whopdedoo!
The math is just so simple and has nothing to do with Edge bandwidth which isn't much faster than a 56k modem half the time.
Upfront cost $500+$36activation= $536
Requires minimum 2 year contract at $60 a years
Annual cost after up front, $720
Taxes, 911 fee's, some other fees no doubt
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I'm somewhat leery of this kind of an investment in what might just amount to a slightly better than dial up service if it's not upgradeable/expandable.
Also, while this is certainly a stylish looking phone, I'm concerned about the way it's accessed, namely by getting ones oily fingers all over the black face constantly.
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| Ripoff plans? First of all... my suspicion about crippling wifi seems to be correct. 5,000 minutes for night and weekends on the cheapeast plan? Not unlimited!? Why be required to pay for evdo when wifi is virtually free plenty of places you will bring your phone. I wonder if they will cripple the evdo data with VOIP apps, probably. God help the poor AT&T share holder if a customer should use a 3rd party provider on the evdo bandwidth which they are FORCED TO TAKE as part of the iscam plan. It's all about the money.. clearly the Bare Assed minimum is that your committing to well over $2,000 contract (between the phone, service, taxes/fees, roaming?). Unless your very well off and $3 gasoline doesn't sting you so much.. your not the iphone customer apple & at&t needs for this phone to be a success. | |
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| iPhone video crashes firefox Every time I've tried to click the link for that video, it crashes, taking firefox down with it. I try to 'restore session' and then it crashes as soon as it's supposed to be getting video content. 
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| Re: iPhone video crashes firefox said by C0deZer0 :Every time I've tried to click the link for that video, it crashes, taking firefox down with it. I try to 'restore session' and then it crashes as soon as it's supposed to be getting video content. Sounds like an issue with your computer? Works with Firefox on mine right now. It does take a while to load though. | |
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| Re: um.... You won't need it if you don't expect to have more than five voice mails when you get off the plane and turn on your phone.
To me, it's the one attractive feature of the iPhone yet not attractive enough to make me switch to Cingular/AT&T.
I just wish that it would become popular enough so listening to your voice mail in the order you want (like reading SMS/MMS) instead of the order you received them would be a new standard for all cell phones. | |
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Bellingham, WA | *yawn* Who cares?
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