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(old news - 01:03PM Wednesday Jun 27 2007)
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Cable providers for years have struggled with their consistently poor showing in consumer satisfaction reports and, as a result, have been ramping up efforts (and spending) to improve customer support. They're hiring more support reps and doing away with traditionally annoying installation headaches like the all-day service appointment.

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The satellite industry yearly enjoys noting that they beat cable in customer satisfaction. However, applauding yourself for being the best only because you were average (and dropping) in a group of dismal performers is a dubious distinction.

Reports like The American Customer Satisfaction Index (ASCI) have yet to include services like FiOSTV in their rankings, so Verizon has gone ahead and commissioned their own report. Not too suprisingly, Verizon TV soundly beats cable providers, who in the last ACSI ranked lower than any other industry in America (even the IRS, which is saying something).

These results show that the work we put into our networks, our product offerings and our service packages is recognized by our customers.
-Verizon
From Verizon's report:
"Customers were asked, based on their experience with their current service provider, how likely they are to recommend their provider to friends and others. In a solid measure of satisfaction, nearly 40 percent of Verizon customers said they were very likely to recommend Verizon bundles to others. Comparable numbers were just over 31 percent for Cox, 28 percent for Time Warner, 25 percent for Cablevision, 24 percent for Charter and 23 percent for Comcast."
While FiOS is obviously a great service that's well reviewed among our users, beating cable in customer satisfaction is kind of like beating your pet in a dueling banjo match.

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ColorBASIC
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We suck less...

...is more accurate customer satisfaction claim for the DBS industry.

Trinijoy
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Brick, NJ

Yup

Before any of you make comments about CS reps, please work in a call center before blowing out your comments about the call centers. You can't criticize what you have not worked at or experienced.

ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
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June 27th, @02:16PM

Re: Yup

Sorry, I don't have to murder someone to criticize a murderer.

Experiencing CRAP SERVICE is enough experience to criticize the quality of service I receive from customer no-service persons.
ossito16

join:2004-07-31
Whiting, IN
·RCN CABLE

said by Trinijoy See Profile :

You can't criticize what you have not worked at or experienced.
What? So I can't criticize a child molester until I have been molested, give me a break. Maybe call center employees should expose some of the dirty tactics that these companies use against customers. I have never seen a whistle blower who was an ex-employee of a telco/cable corp.

Mactron
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said by Trinijoy See Profile :

You can't criticize what you have not worked at or experienced.
Sure we can ! WE are the customer last I checked.
I've experienced CS plenty !
Don't like working, experiencing CS ?.. Find another job.
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If only the Verizon CSRs worked this well.

jrobert69
How High?
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Ive spent enough hours on the phone with them to qualify being employed there.
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C0deZer0
Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
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Davenport, FL
·Verizon Online DSL

It's one thing to receive bad service from someone that is TRYING to help you. It's another matter entirely when they disrespect you in your time of need for assistance, or seek to belittle the urgency of your situation.

I generally make a point of avoiding calling customer service unless it's something I can't address or resolve myself. If I can seek help online or through other forms, those are generally the first paths to resolution I seek for any given product or service. It's when I've exhausted other forms of resolving an issue myself that I appreciate having a phone support that I can address. And it is during this time where I LEAST wish to have someone with a condescending, belittling attitude at the other end of the phone line.

I may have not worked the other end of the line when it comes to customer support/service, but I at least experienced service from various companies and industries to know what is 'par' for quality-of-service.

As a couple of examples:
•With nVidia graphics cards, I've YET to need to make a single call to support with either them or their card manufacturers. With ATi, I have had to spend nearly 1000 minutes on my mobile phone back and forth with their support within a spread of three months, and finally filing a complaint to the Better Business Bureau before finally reaching someone there who did want to help with the constant issues.
•With my first (own) Gateway computer, I've spent over one month in downtime each time I had to bring the computer in for a service call for something they didn't want to let me solve either by RMA'ing me the replacement part or couldn't solve over the phone. This has happened four times. And I can't even count the number of gigs and gigs of data lost to data lost in hard drive failures and all the other downtime from component failures to everything from the monitor, modem, sound...

I could probably go on, but just from experience with various companies, it's not that hard to find who has the service/support people that are willing to help you and can help you effectively, as opposed to the people that just treat you like you're just someone to shoo away.
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CConverse

join:2006-01-31
Syracuse, NY

Re: Yup

Most of the issues people bring up though have little to do with the reps (with the exception of being treated rudely). Most of the time, from my experience in working in a call center, it has more to do with policies made by people so remote from the centers that represent them that the reps aren't even told their names in new hire. People who have no idea what customers really want when they call. Scripts written by people who never gave a thought to how it might sound, much less whether or not the customers will understand what's being said. Most of the "required verbiage" I'm required to read does more to confuse people than inform them. I often spend more time explaining the "required verbiage" than actually reading it. I often make changes on people's accounts only to find that my orders never went through. Phone number lists that are complex, vague, and usually at least half composed of outdated numbers due to the fact that departments get reassigned all the time, resulting in customers bouncing around like ping pong balls...

All I'm saying is often times when you receive poor cs, it's not the fault of the reps--we're usually doing the best we can with what we have to work with.

C0deZer0
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·Verizon Online DSL

Re: Yup

But I think we can both agree that when it gets to the point where it prompts someone to require the assistance of a group like the Better Business Bureau to get anything done, the chain of command, as it were, is clearly not working like whoever designed it, intended it.
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dvd536
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Phoenix, AZ

said by Trinijoy See Profile :

Before any of you make comments about CS reps, please work in a call center before blowing out your comments about the call centers. You can't criticize what you have not worked at or experienced.
Well its OUR experience. we dont get a negative attitude til we have to deal with rude reps, reps that hang up on you, yadda yadda i could go on all day with the bad times ive had having to call the support line.
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Time4aNAP
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Des Plaines, IL
·Speakeasy
·Comcast

said by Trinijoy See Profile :

Before any of you make comments about CS reps, please work in a call center before blowing out your comments about the call centers. You can't criticize what you have not worked at or experienced.
Does working a help desk count?

I'm not sure what prompted the outburst about call centers; it seems O/T to me. But since you brought it up...

* The majority opinion here appears to be that every call center is located in The Black Hole of Calcutta. That would make requiring everyone who wishes to comment on call centers first become an Indian native of some backward caste. Not very practical, that.

* If the call center operator is so clueless, what does that make you for spending two hours talking with them, or needing their help in the first place?

* Since we're all on the Internet here, how many have tried sending an e-mail, or using the messaging systems that I often find on customer web pages?

* When someone comments that "the blankedy-blank operator couldn't understand a word I said", which party does this reflect on?

/me beats a hasty retreat

Titus Pullo
I came, I saw, I slept

join:2004-06-26
·Embarq

I called Comcast the other day about their HDTV service. Somewhere along the way I asked her if she had a list of QAM-tuner available channels that I could dial in over my basic/expanded (non-digital) cable. I'd found one or two, but didn't want to go channel by channel in search of them due to all the f'n music channels and channels that the scan picked up but have no picture.

She replied that I'd need a box and that the HD channels start at 700. I tried to explain the whole bit about HD and the FCC and QAM equipped TVs, and that I was looking at Discovery HD on 95.1 (or close to that) right now. No go. Clueless. She even had me repeat the decimal value channel number and clearly thought I'd gone batshit crazy.

Now, you tell me. I'm talking to a phone rep for the nation's largest provider of cable TV services and they don't know the basics of HDTV that I learned in about 30 minutes?

I'd say just about ALL CSR call centers are useless unless you need to cancel or buy. Period.
ender7074

join:2006-11-21
Saint Louis, MO

Worthless Review

I recently reviewed myself and found out I'm awesome! Thats pretty much what the report says... I take any report that a service provider runs to compare themselves to anyone else with a big grain of salt.

Mactron
el Camino Real
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CM94sv

Re: Worthless Review

What a laugh. Verizon marketers at their best.

By the way, I rate as "Awesome" too.

gar187er
Premium Alcoholic

join:2006-06-24
Dover, DE

Re: Worthless Review

i was gonna mae the same type comment, calling me the most awesome person you will ever meet!!!! LOL....

anyone can call themselves great.....we shall see....

major marco
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Oh yeah, well I recently commissioned myself to review myself and found that I'm not only awesome, but studies concluded definitively that I am an omnipotent being and lord of all I survey. According to me, people love/worship the ground I walk on and female models everywhere want to have sex with me, that's how awesome I am. Just ask me.

en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
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Re: Worthless Review

AT&T is no better...

While installing the VRAD a block away, AT&T killed my service - twice in one week.

1. 'shorted' my line, DSL worked, no dialtone for POTS. Had to wait ~ 5 hours for a tech to show up, while they were already in my area Tech came over and cut me over to a different pair at the F2/Node

2. 3 days later, AT&T killed my line completely Friday night/Saturday morning, and CS stated I'd have an appointment for Monday 8 am to 6 pm or Tuesday 8 a.m. to 12 p.m. . AT&T claimed that the cutover update to their database was not in sync, and the contractors at the VRAD cut my line back over to the shorted line

Nightfall
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Grand Rapids, MI
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said by major marco See Profile :

Oh yeah, well I recently commissioned myself to review myself and found that I'm not only awesome, but studies concluded definitively that I am an omnipotent being and lord of all I survey. According to me, people love/worship the ground I walk on and female models everywhere want to have sex with me, that's how awesome I am. Just ask me.
Oh yea, I hear ya. I love it when the company that provides the service does the report. Also, you have to keep in mind the small footprint of Fios right now in comparison to the much larger footprints of the other providers. This survey is bogus IMO.
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Time4aNAP
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I've also noticed that the questions asked in the ACSI surveys tend to be leading ones. The scope is often so narrow that you might be forced to report a company as being bad even though they made good on an initial mistake outstandingly well and swiftly; or rate as good a company that had an uneventful install, but after the installer was gone you sat down to find that you hadn't been connected, and nobody has rectified the problem since.

CableTool
Poorly Representing MYSELF.
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On Par!!!

quote:
DSLR Said-
While FiOS is obviously a great service that's well reviewed among our users, beating cable in customer satisfaction is kind of like beating your pet in a banjo dueling match.
Of course cables comparison with Dishes HD channels by a third party survey group are laughable, but Verizon stating they have better customer service based on.. themselves is perfectly acceptable because they are "obviously a great service"

Dont hurt yourself patting your self on the back for less then half of your customers being willing to recommend your service.
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JoeGee

join:2002-01-28
El Paso, TX

Re: On Par!!!

I am going to find out which is better this Friday, have Direct TV installed and TWC taken out. Stay tuned...

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Re: On Par!!!

said by JoeGee See Profile :

I am going to find out which is better this Friday, have Direct TV installed and TWC taken out. Stay tuned...
I won't stay tuned...because what YOUR service is like in El Paso has no relation to mine in Buffalo.

Hob
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Nightfall
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Re: On Par!!!

said by hobgoblin See Profile :

said by JoeGee See Profile :

I am going to find out which is better this Friday, have Direct TV installed and TWC taken out. Stay tuned...
I won't stay tuned...because what YOUR service is like in El Paso has no relation to mine in Buffalo.

Hob
We have a winner.
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JoeGee

join:2002-01-28
El Paso, TX
yeah, where you are all you get is snow no mater what you try to do...
JoeGee

join:2002-01-28
El Paso, TX

got a call this morning, day of installation, that they just discovered that they do not have any DVR's in the warehouse and the installer told me that the truck would be in on Monday and installation would be on Tuesday and I agreed to that. Then 10 minutes later I get another call from the "local office" to confirm the installation for Wednesday because they have no idea when the DVR's will be in. My question is how can the just discover that they do not have the equipment needed for installation the day that it is scheduled? Maybe I will be sorry that I am getting Direct TV.

Da Geek Kid

join:2003-10-11
Mclean, VA

DirecTV's low numbers

DirecTV's low numbers are due to the fact that they are in the mist of changing the entire line up and going ALL MP4 HD channels... One of their fav customers (me) have been complaining about DirecTV's line ups...

Now that I have a TB of DirecTiVO I should not be complaining... Too bad Tivo + DirecTV = bad these days...
JSRoman
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Callahan, FL

Re: DirecTV's low numbers

Wrong! The reason for DTV going down is that their prices are starting to catch up to cable. Verizon CS ratings will most likely start going down hill also as soon as they get a 2-3 years of rate increases under their belt.
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Da Geek Kid

join:2003-10-11
Mclean, VA
Verizon's TV IS DirecTV... and DirecTV prices are STILL better than any cable if you bundle the entire package... I have all the channels and pay 110.. Cox here for the same service charges 185

N3OGH
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Re: DirecTV's low numbers

When he refers to Verizon's TV, I think he's referring to FiOS tv, and not Verizon's partnership with DirecTV
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swabby

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Princeton, WV
I'd be very interested in the comparison between your INTERNET SPEED/BANDWIDTH difference Verizon and Cox cable in your area. All the Cox cable users I know persoanlly are at 9mbps internet speed/bandwidth. How does Verizon stand up to that?

Da Geek Kid

join:2003-10-11
Mclean, VA
Verizon's TV is DirecTV
ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT

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June 27th, @05:28PM

Re: DirecTV's low numbers

Verizons TV is NOT DirecTV, They are reselling Dtv. FiosTV is another type altogether.

Da Geek Kid

join:2003-10-11
Mclean, VA

neither the bw nor the speed would make me loose my DSL to fall for two companies that provide 0 service...

I have had so much trouble with my DSL, and NOT ONCE I was worried as Covad/ELink called me every 10 min to tell me the status... I tell ya I knew they were on top of things and resolving my issue in a day, but constant calls made it so much easier...

pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD

Wrong Approach

Perhaps cable companies should just have J.D. Power or some other BS reviewer give them good reviews like they do with GM, Ford and Chrysler. That ought to send the right message.
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major marco
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Re: Wrong Approach

said by pnh102 See Profile :

Perhaps cable companies should just have J.D. Power or some other BS reviewer give them good reviews like they do with GM, Ford and Chrysler. That ought to send the right message.
Cox already uses that outfit. They're constantly running commercials bragging about their "superior" JD Power rating ad nauseum. I can tell you that as a subscriber, I don't find their services in Orange County on any level to be so superior.
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N3OGH
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·Verizon Online DSL

Re: Wrong Approach

Then again, "superior" is a relative term.

If I take a survey asking people what piece of cat shit smells the best, one could smell 25% better than the next.

But cat shit that smells 25% better than the rest of the cat shit, is still just cat shit
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·Embarq

Apples and Oranges

You can't compare two statistics unless they used identical metrics to measure their results. So Verizon would need to enact their study in an identical manner to the ones they are comparing their results from in order for it to mean anything in relation to the other studies.
rickonline

join:2005-11-15
North Bergen, NJ
·Verizon Online DSL

Blame the customer

For years both Cablevision and Verizon had this mentality. It is ALWAYS the customer's fault so why are you calling customer service? It is YOUR fault! I have noticed in the past year or so that Cablevision has backed off this insult and is actually accepting the responsibility for fixing things. However, Verizon has actually intensified this "blame the customer" mentality. God Forbid I have no dial tone. I have to call Verizon and BEG for a service call. And then I have to agree to a huge fee (over $100) if the technician actually finds that it is my fault. Verizon almost never accepts responsibility for fixing things. I like my DSL service with them and would of left a long time ago if not for the reliable DSL.
In the Cablevision vs. Verizon comparison I say that Cablevision is the winner in customer service.
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Healbot
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Vancouver, WA

huh

"They're ...... doing away with traditionally annoying installation headaches like the all day service appointment."'

Umm credit your source please. For any install Comcast and even ATT@Home 10 years ago didn't require an all day appointment.

major marco
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Re: huh

said by Healbot See Profile :

For any install Comcast and even ATT@Home 10 years ago didn't require an all day appointment.
My source is me and SBC as recently as 2000 did, in fact, require an all day appointment. That was back when they were rolling out DSL in San Diego. Twice they told me I had to give the tech 8 hours and twice the tech never showed for either appt. This went on for about a month because SBC kept giving me the runaround before I finally cancelled the order outright and told them to go piss up a rope.
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June 27th, @03:42PM

said by Healbot See Profile :

"They're ...... doing away with traditionally annoying installation headaches like the all day service appointment."'

Umm credit your source please. For any install Comcast and even ATT@Home 10 years ago didn't require an all day appointment.
SBC (now AT&T) still does w/ their rebranded Dish satellite service in Texas.

At least they offer to give you an advance notice phone call prior to the tech's actual arrival. (although depending on the tech's time-keeping / time-management abilities, that might be a pretty short-notice call)

Lil Jon
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Lawrenceville, GA

Re: huh

LMAO @ everyone jumping on trinijoy for his comment.

dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
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Phoenix, AZ

Novel idea

Heres one. how about FIXING what annoys people about your service then there would be no need for extra support staff!
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NEP1611

join:2002-03-27
Northford, CT

Cable CS

I think in general the cable industry gets a little bit of a bad rap as far as Customer Service is concerned. Since Comcast took over our franchise they have been aggressive in continuously rolling out new services and benefits that add real value to subscribers. We have also needed service in our home a number of times and have found servicemen to always be polite and thorough and work quick.

That said, one thing Comcast basically sucks at is e-mail and support regarding programming and services. Especially e-mail support - many times I have gotten one answer via e-mail that turned out to be incorrect for "(my) area". Virtually every time I write in with a programming related question, the question that is answered rarely is what I asked. As far as tech support, unless something is broken, I am my own tech support. (Standard Comcast tech support: when in doubt, cycle down a modem and/or disconnect the router.)

The one good thing they do is that, when they say they will come, they come. I've even asked them to give me a courtesy call when they're on the way so I can meet them home, which they did and he got there not 5 minutes after me. The one quasi-bad experience was when they did not have any DVR boxes which I ordered, but they did have a standard HD box, which was OK and still is. (They charged me 16 for the visit though, which I thought was bush.)

Overall I think Comcast does a good job with providing a reliable and relevant product that delivers good value. The most critical customer service need they get right pretty much every time. It is frustrating asking about services and tech support, but there are a lot of companies that do worse and hold times are very short. And I do think that some of the bashing they get in the media is pretty much unjustified.

Let's all keep in mind too that, if not for ESPN, costs for programming would probably stay flat or in line with CPI. The additional charges typically are due to additional services.

If nothing else, it beats the experiences I've had with Lenovo. Terrific product, but HORRIBLE service. But that's another discussion.

capecoddah

join:2005-03-18
Yarmouth Port, MA

Percentages

40% is still pretty bad...
Unless it is a batting average

tc1uscg

join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI

No dial tone?

WoW.. looks like you VZ bashers were out to lunch, had no dial tone or just didn't answer your call waiting when they called for your opinion..

RRMAN
Premium
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Cleveland, OH
·RoadRunner Cable

Apples to apples

People died eating at Chi Chis...I still went there.

It is what it is people. Stop being lazy and work on the problem yourself. 70% of the problems that CS centers gets is just plain lazy people calling in.
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