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story category If Only FiOS Billing Was As Good As FiOS
Phantom charges and months-late bundle discounts...
(old news - 07:02PM Wednesday Aug 08 2007)
tags: prices · Fiber · business · exclusive · consumers · Verizon
FiOS is deservedly seeing good reviews from our users because of the speed and reliability of the connections. Verizon is deservedly seeing praise for being the only telco with the foresight to see that fiber is the future. However, if FiOS has a weak spot, our users say it's Verizon's FiOS billing department.

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Customers tell us they're being incorrectly billed for service they didn't order, aspects of installation not performed, and channels they never asked for. While these users like the service itself, they say resolving errors is difficult and navigating phone support is a nightmare.

The billing anomalies vary greatly from customer to customer. One user complains to us that TV Poland mysteriously showed up on his bill to the tune of $18 per month. After calling and getting confirmation that it had been removed, it re-appeared the following month.

Another user complains about a phantom $75 extra PC installation charge. One FiOS customer tells us he's been charged for a high-definition set-top box he doesn't actually have going on eight months now:
"The big one to me is that they don't seem to be able to reliably correct errors when they are found. I have been getting an HD STB charge since the beginning of the year, the only problem is that I don't have an HD STB. Every month I call. Every month they credit me the charge. Every month they assure me that it is now fixed. Of course the next month we start the dance all over again."
The most common complaint is that users aren't always seeing bundle discounts they signed up for reflected on their bills.

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One customers says they signed up for a one year promotion where he was supposed to pay $70 for 20Mbps/5Mbps FiOS broadband, bundled with Verizon's Platinum TV Package. Four months have passed and the company is still charging him the standard price for individual services.

According to Verizon's Jim Smith, the company's current billing system involves some "complex billing system interactions" that require activations to sync up before bundled discounts are applied. "What matters, though, is that the discount always runs for the full period promised, either 12 or 24 months, even if it does not start in month one of the service" he says.

In other words, those of you not yet seeing bundle discounts will see them in time, and for the full length of the contract you signed.
Software upgrades are being installed mid-August to remedy this and to assure that for new FiOS bundle customers, discounts are immediate
-Verizon's Jim Smith


What's Verizon doing about it? "Software upgrades are being installed mid-August to remedy this and to assure that for new FiOS bundle customers, discounts are immediate and actually cover the promised period from service activation forward with no delays," he tells us.

As for the other erroneous charges, Smith attributes these to "simple data entry errors made during the ordering process [which] should be remedied with a call for help." That's probably no help to the user who spent 2007 trying to avoid paying for a phantom set-top box.

As it stands, FiOS support comes from special fiber solutions centers, separate from the call centers and tech support that works on DSL. Given the product's just getting off the ground, we'll assume they're just working out the kinks. "Basic order correction and adjustments can generally be made by the regular call center reps, however," says Smith.

Hopefully early FiOS billing issues are a small, soon to be resolved cost of broadband on the bleeding edge, and not a persistent headache.

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pcdebb
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I'm good....

I can't say i've had billing issues with them. But in the very beginning when I was data only, it was difficult to pull up my account with no home phone service. They'd try to reference my non-verizon wireless cellphone and always have issues. Since all of my services (minus cellphone) is with them now i havent seen any problems....yet.
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padre44

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Ffios billing

After a couple of months and lots of phone calls I finally got Verizon to get my billing correct with all discounts and promotions. The last lady I talked to gave me a 2 month discount on my internet to make up for all the frustration. So, keep after them and they will get it right.

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Re: Ffios billing

My FIOS service has been 100% reliable and very speeedy. And I've never had a billing issue. The college boy they sent to sell it door to door did hit on me (I said, "no thanks."), but billing has been no problem.
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dvd536
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And if you call too much about billing errors they cancel you.
what to do what to do.
Gripe and lose your service or just overpay and be happy you got fios.
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Re: Ffios billing

We do not have any process in place that will cancel any customers account based on the amount of calls placed to correct billing errors. We arent Sprint PCS.

ATYinthehouse

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Corporate pyramid scheme

well verizon pulling the rebate trick

they refund few months later to inflate profits/stock price
with all the money they losing they have to get it somewhere

they keep lost flat or try to as soon they get new custumer they refund the old custurmer who has been waiting for them to fix his billing issues.

sort like Corporate pyramid scheme

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Ponzi scheme

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August 8th, @07:05PM

Oh Noes!!!

After reading this story all of the sudden the Facts of Life theme popped into my head and now I can't get it out! ARGH!

"You take the good, you take you the bad.
You take them both and there you have, The Facts of Life!"

Guess it could be worse, perfect billing of a horrible service?

TK Junk Mail
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Why billing is screwed up

Most likely the issue is that their billing systems have been outsourced(don't know about Verizon FOR SURE) to some 3rd party(probably overseas). And I have seen 1st hand how this usually works. Verizon system designers(process engineers) and project leaders spec out a system. The specs are written up and then turned over to some outsourcer who hasn't the fainest idea about the business they are writing code for. Language barriers; not enough system testers; poor training on the delivered system all conspire to deliver a system that is frequently obtuse and nearly unusable to the customer service reps.

When the customer service rep inputs some correction for billing, he thinks the job is done. But the system is often so screwed up, the end result is a bill that doesn't go away or reappears at odd moments.

Unfortunately, this is now a common occurrence for US businesses. Especially those who have outsourced their most critical systems to the lowest bid contractor. It is a penny wise, pound foolish way of doing business.
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TeatherWind

join:2001-08-21
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Re: Why billing is screwed up

TCH,
While on one hand I want to agree with you. I think that a lot of companies are starting to fight internally. All of the departments are working to show a profit, so while you say out-sourced, I think that you would be amazed at how many companies have internal departments that code systems, that just don't live up to the specs that are required.

Personally, I think that Verizon is also trying to be responsive to what we as consumers want in our billing and our products, and they have to many marketing people trying to push products out the door without getting buy in from supporting departments.(Billing, Tech Support, Provisioning and the like) I have seen that many times, marketing just simply doesn't understand what other groups within the company do, or they really could care less.

I know my marketing folks could care less if they can bill a product, they only want to know how they can get it out to the market, as quickly as possible.

Verizon only leads with Fiber, it seems that half the time they are playing catch up with Cable companies. Take the mentioned Bundles, for example.

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Re: Why billing is screwed up

said by TeatherWind See Profile :

Personally, I think that Verizon is also trying to be responsive to what we as consumers want in our billing and our products, and they have to many marketing people trying to push products out the door without getting buy in from supporting departments.(Billing, Tech Support, Provisioning and the like) I have seen that many times, marketing just simply doesn't understand what other groups within the company do, or they really could care less.

I know my marketing folks could care less if they can bill a product, they only want to know how they can get it out to the market, as quickly as possible.
That brings to mind 2 Dilbert cartoons I remember. The battles between marketing and engineering.




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My understanding is that because of the numerous different services that verizon offers and because of the nature of the company structure (i.e. Since verizon is made up of numerous small companies) their billing divisions are completely different. For example, on my monthly bill, I receive three different parts, one from the FIOS TV division, then one from the FIOS data division, and one from the phone part. Then you gotta figure too that the billing with DSL is a whole different matter, and if I had a different phone service then it would be a whole different department.

The good thing though is that they have set up the "special call centers" so at least it is a step in the right direction. But as the article mentions, if there is an unresolved issue, it does become a pain.

RIRWIN1983

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Re: Why billing is screwed up

There are no "special call centers" all it is a normal call center that has a few rows of reps who primarly answer calls for certan products and are trained as such. I worked for the DSL side and thats how it was at our center, there was 2 rows for mac support, and 2 rows for the msn software that came with dsl. we all were trained on the dsl stuff, those 2 sets of rows just got extra traning on either mac or msn.
King Duck

join:2005-04-10
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Re: Why billing is screwed up

Verizon has separate Fiber Solutions Centers (FSC) for Fios, when I was there we had 5 or 6, not sure how many now.
These are solely dedicated to Fios tech support.
Billing also now has separate centers, if we called the old centers we got transferred.

Whilst there have been gliches, Verizon are still trying very hard to get it all right.
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Re: Why billing is screwed up

yes, thats exactly what i was talking about. Thanks for expanding on my post

telvista slave

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They also outsource some fios support to telvista in irving, tx. In an attempt to hide the existence of the outsourcing from certain union areas, telvista ("park west fsc") is to transfer any callers not from Florida, Texas, Calif, Washington, Oregon, or South Carolina.

Telvista fsc reps don't have access to all the tools "real" reps do. They also do not support (and thus transfer) video. However, most are former dsl agents and are more technically inclined than your average verizon fsc rep, a good number of which are former billing/service reps.

Note that the relationship is not new. Telvista has provided dsl support for verizon from the beginning.

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Billing for a new service is always going to have some kinks to work out. I see no pressing reason to write it off as "HURR OFFSHORING" without any evidence that this is the case.
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Re: Why billing is screwed up

said by AmeritecTech See Profile :

Billing for a new service is always going to have some kinks to work out. I see no pressing reason to write it off as "HURR OFFSHORING" without any evidence that this is the case.
I'd agree, if Verizon billing problems were only FIOS related. But their billing problems across all their products is well known and has been for years.
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Re: Why billing is screwed up

"I'd agree, if Verizon billing problems were only FIOS related. But their billing problems across all their products is well known and has been for years."

Their support problems have been well known in the industry for years.

What makes anyone think they can get Fios support right
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Re: Why billing is screwed up

said by hobgoblin See Profile :

What makes anyone think they can get Fios support right
I don't just think Verizon got FiOS support right, I know they did.

The VZ Direct forum is top-notch, and everyone I've dealt with at FSC was extremely knowledgeable and thoroughly helpful. I never once got the impression that Verizon was trying to deny a problem existed, or was unwilling to resolve it.

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Re: Why billing is screwed up

"I don't just think Verizon got FiOS support right, I know they did.

The VZ Direct forum is top-notch, and everyone I've dealt with at FSC was extremely knowledgeable and thoroughly helpful. I never once got the impression that Verizon was trying to deny a problem existed, or was unwilling to resolve it."

Brilliant...its very easy to support a handful of customers (oh and cheap). The problem happens when the customer base grows and support can't keep up. Watch, it will happen.

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Re: Why billing is screwed up

Predictions of gloom and doom don't change the present. In the here-and-now, FiOS support deserves kudos.

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said by JTRockville See Profile :

Predictions of gloom and doom don't change the present. In the here-and-now, FiOS support deserves kudos.
Other than their Billing eh? Oh and their DSL and POTS Support In Maryland.

What was it my Mom used to say. You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear.

Hob

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Re: Why billing is screwed up

I wouldn't dump billing into the support bucket - I'd categorize billing as billing, so I'll stick by my claim that FiOS support is superb.

But of course, in my experience billing has been fine too. Has your experience been different than mine, hob?

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Re: Why billing is screwed up

said by JTRockville See Profile :

I wouldn't dump billing into the support bucket - I'd categorize billing as billing, so I'll stick by my claim that FiOS support is superb.

But of course, in my experience billing has been fine too. Has your experience been different than mine, hob?
My experience with Verizon is limited to DSL Support, using the Direct Forum and the Phone system. While the techs in the Direct Forum were pleasant they actually had no clue what the issue was and kept trying to set up a house visit for a router in State College PA. The Billing support was pathetic when I tried to get some sort of credit for the issue. It took three calls to get 20 bucks.

As a support profesional if I was rolling out support for a brand new service it is very easy to look good in the early stages. The Initial take up of the service is normally highly skilled users that in most cases are not a supprt burden. Once marketing starts targetting the next level of the customer base is when the the issues start.

Of Course Billing is SUPPORT.

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said by hobgoblin See Profile :

said by JTRockville See Profile :

Predictions of gloom and doom don't change the present. In the here-and-now, FiOS support deserves kudos.
Other than their Billing eh? Oh and their DSL and POTS Support In Maryland.

What was it my Mom used to say. You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear.

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Re: Why billing is screwed up

So true. And first-hand experience trumps all of 'em.

FiOS support rocks.

Ronnie1055
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Subject got my attention... and laugh..

I will completely agree with that statement... I have had (2) FIOS TV upgrades (Standard STB to HD STB) screwed up because I have two accounts with Verizon... and they cannot seem to get them combined. On both orders I had an appointment date and then they didn't show up... called in and they showed I had requested service... but no record of the order. Just found out this past week why... so yeah.. if their billing was as good as the service... we would all, with FIOS, be smooth sailing.
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normal

Sounds just like Verizon Wireless.
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Fios Bill

lol, as I am reading this article I just opened by Fios bill and low and behold a 689.99 Charge for 2 set top boxes and router. They say they were never returned to verizon. I guess that is true but why would I return
them if I have to use them for my current Fios Service?

I am a fan of the Fios service but the billing sucks.........
tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY

vz better fix these billing errors

Verizon better fix these mysterious billing errors which are showing up on more and more customer's bills before they become FORMER verizon customers. For a company who is supposedly on the 'bleeding edge' of technology, they can't get their billing whammy under lock and key. I originally thought this was a limited problem, but it seems to have annoyed more that a few customers who find it a significant enough of a problem to bring it to a BBR thread. Well, it's about time! Now maybe something will get done about it!

jhawk44

join:2006-10-19
Boston, VA

Stuff like this normal fare for VZ

I've seen it with landline phone, ISDN, dialup etc etc etc...

they charge for stuff that nots there/been disconnected or overcharge.

Yaco
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Yep , Mine bad too

Hi,
I just got a new Bill.. No Discounts, erroneous extras, plus a new install added on. However to be fair Sprint Wireless is bending me over to from a upgrade from Nextel. I got a New Line and four new phones for free. It only cost me $271 I'm working on them too.
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Re: Yep , Mine bad too

You should switch to optimum! They will save you more money and give you ten times more for your buck. If I were you I would not deal with Verizon outrageous bills.
flashcore

join:2007-01-23
Lutherville Timonium, MD

My experence

Ive had FiOS TV/Internet/Phone for about 5 months now. In that time I have had to call to have my bill corrected or have some service issue attempted to be fixed at least once a month.

Two weeks after I have FiOS TV installed I start loosing all of the local TV stations 2-49 on every STB, the channels worked fine without using a STB and their HD equivalents worked fine as well. This problem occurred every night beginning right around or in the middle of prime-time and lasted until sometime early the next morning. This went on for 2 months and their FSC could not do a dam thing to fix it except for send tech after tech out when the problem was not occurring. The only reason it finally got fixed was due to a call I placed to the local area manager, I had his number from back when I was having DSL issues. He had the problem diagnosed in about a day (It was a bad PON card) it took about a week after that to have it replaced because they had to order the part to fix it but at least he got it resolved which is more then I can say for the FSC.

The first bill I received was 2 months after I subscribed to FiOS it looked fine well except they promised me credit for 2 months of free TV service for the hassle of not having any of the local TV channels.

The 3rd month came along and there was proper credits applied to that bill except for not having the proper discounts applied to it, then there was the fact that one DVR lost its activation due to there billing problems, FSC sent a tech out and it only took him 5 minutes to call a Network Tech and have it re-activated.

The 4th month rolled along and after upgrading one of my 2 DVRs to a multi-room DVR during the 3rd month I ended up with a $19.99 extra outlet charge and ended up still paying for the DVR that I upgraded to the multi-room DVR, and agian the second non-multi-room DVR had once agian lost its activation due to there billing problems, this was the first month I talked to a decent FSC support person, after I told him what happened with the box in the past and what was done to resolve it he told me he would call the network techs and have them fix it and resolve the issue for good and call me back, this was I think the only time a FSC person returned my call and a problem was actually resolved properly.

Finally this months bill came and it is correct for now and the DVR that was loosing its activation is still working, I wont be holding my breath on next months bill i am sure they will find some way to mess it up when they roll out the new guide.

I still do not know if the hell I have been put through with Verizon's billing and for the most part worthless FSC personnel was worth it but at least I was finally able to tell Comcast where they could stick there crappy service. I guess this is the price you pay for new technology and being the first person in the area to have the service.

waldoooo

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sounds like FIOS billing is no different than their Wireless

why should their FIOS department be any different than their Wireless billing. Their wireless performs great but we have had some extra charges removed a couple times in the last year.

n2jtx

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How about the reverse?

Is anybody getting charged less than they were supposed to? No, I didn't think so. Just like errors with the scanners at the supermarket are usually in the stores favor, not the customer.
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Re: How about the reverse?

It's a tad difficult to verify as I have never met anyone prepared to admit to being undercharged...


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I've been having problems for 8 months...

I went to the VA attorney general and the BBB, and finally, when I went to the Consumerist, Verizon finally got it's feet moving and is now calling me back multiple times and restoring my services.

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moonpuppy

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Who is Verizon hiring?

Ex-cable employees?

Fact is Verizon is in the newcomer and they need to be better than the incumbents.

IusedtoworkforVZ

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Billing sucks

I used to work for Verizon, and I can say that their billing system does suck. I myself have(well had) the Fios service for about the last 6months. Never once did I get a bill for my internet in those 6months, and everytime I would check it online it showed that it had been payed. I even went as far as to call them and ask about this, they said that it was being paid for every month. So a few days ago they just cut me off for no reason at all.

And wont send me a bill to show how much I owe, they disabled my acct so I cant even check online to see what I owe.

Dont get me wrong I loved the service but their cust service/encore dept needs some work.
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Re: Billing sucks

quote:
used to work for Verizon, and I can say that their billing system does suck. I myself have(well had) the Fios service for about the last 6months. Never once did I get a bill for my internet in those 6months, and everytime I would check it online it showed that it had been payed. I even went as far as to call them and ask about this, they said that it was being paid for every month. So a few days ago they just cut me off for no reason at all.
Did the service get cut off around the same time you stopped working for VZ?
Rob20895

join:2005-05-02
Kensington, MD

It's me!

Ok, I am the one that has the phantom STB. I had TV service installed late in Dec 2006, and have been calling for credits for that box every month ever since. As it turns out I made my monthly call this morning to get the credit for the current bill. As usual I received all the assurances that the problem would be taken care of before the next billing cycle. So does anyone actually think they got it right this month? Personally I think there is a greater chance that Ivan Seidenberg will stop by with a six pack and some take out to watch a game on my FIOS TV service. By the way the actual FIOS service is outstanding. The difference between quality of the service and the quality of first level customer support could not be greater.

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I don't care...

Just bring me the service!

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said by Rob A See Profile :

Just bring me the service!
Yea, I'll take some Fios with a large side of Billing Errors.

Why would anyone want to sign themselves up for this kind of Telco-Torture service willingly???
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Re: I don't care...

Because, for $55.11 per month, I get even more than what I was paying Comcast $90/month for... that's why.

tc1uscg

join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI

Oh gee, a telco that has billing issues

Well, looks like VZ is just like the rest of the telco's. Charging you for stuff you didn't order, overcharging for things you do order or just charging you for whatever hoping you won't notice.. Nothing new here.. time to go to bed.
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