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| Re: Really? The idiots in Office...who the hell cares what is said about him? Is it gonna hurt his re-election? LOL...
I knew FDR, and by God, he is no FDR...
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| said by sm2016a  :You talk about how bad Bush is and AT&T will censor you but they will let you use profanity as much as you want. Makes great sense..." Indeed it makes great sense. President Bush is the president of the United States. It is our president. Be a classy citizens, will you! I bet you to the last penny in my pocket that if AT&T will censor people say bad things about Democrats, there will be no mention. So much for fairness. | |
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| Re: Really? That doesn't mean that i voted for him nor approve of his actions. I don't think AT&T should censor anyone but it's not my choice if they do censor them. AT&T will do what they feel is right to do as in this case. There is no fairness anymore, there hasn't been for quite a long time. | |
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Belleville, IL | Re: whatever Not at all. All big company's cover things up and in time some of it gets out. It is not just AT&T covering things up. Look at the Verizon story about the fire in the house that they say never happened but the Fire Chief says it did. | |
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| Re: whatever it's called sarcasim for a reason.
I dont' go to concerts for political views either, but they are entitled to make their own statements, once I'm inside the venue, and they have my attention. It's up to me to decide for myself if I'm going to let someone else influence my decisions life. It's called thinking for yourself. | |
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Valencia, CA | Re: hmmm... Class action suit by those that watch 'blue room' or use AT&T / DSL service... I suspect it isn't far away from a suit by either the performers or the customers.
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| Quite frankly... I hope Kelly Curtis(PJ's manager/Pit Bull) is on the phone to the managers of the other bands and the EFF, coordinating some sort of legal recourse in answer to what seems to be a trend here. That is the only sort of thing that AT&T will understand, that will get through their thick skulls.
I will say that I find it highly unlikely that this was a decision made in the executive suites of AT&T. I suspect that this was something being done, in the service of a personal idealogy, by someone considerably farther down the food chain of production, who had access to the dump button, who took it upon him or herself to "do the patriotic thing" and in doing so, went way off the reservation and exposed AT&T to some real legal jeopardy.
AT&T should take this very seriously. The PR on this is abysmal and if it does go to legal guns, they should not underestimate the kung fu of music industry lawyers, for their chi is strong, they have The Iron Egg Discipline, and they fight just as dirty as you can imagine. Some young corporate lawyerin' buck will think he took a ride in a giant food processor, when they get done with him. | |
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| said by TScheisskopf :I hope Kelly Curtis(PJ's manager/Pit Bull) is on the phone to the managers of the other bands and the EFF, coordinating some sort of legal recourse in answer to what seems to be a trend here. That is the only sort of thing that AT&T will understand, that will get through their thick skulls. I will say that I find it highly unlikely that this was a decision made in the executive suites of AT&T. I suspect that this was something being done, in the service of a personal idealogy, by someone considerably farther down the food chain of production, who had access to the dump button, who took it upon him or herself to "do the patriotic thing" and in doing so, went way off the reservation and exposed AT&T to some real legal jeopardy. AT&T should take this very seriously. The PR on this is abysmal and if it does go to legal guns, they should not underestimate the kung fu of music industry lawyers, for their chi is strong, they have The Iron Egg Discipline, and they fight just as dirty as you can imagine. Some young corporate lawyerin' buck will think he took a ride in a giant food processor, when they get done with him. Legal recourse? You have to be freaking kidding me? The AT&T Blue Room is an AT&T owned and operated portal, they can put whatever they want on there and censor whatever they want. The EFF shouldn't get involved (and I donated to the EFF before). Now, if a band signed a contract with AT&T, and in that contract there was a stipulation that AT&T can not filter out the band's content, then the band can hire lawyers and recoup damages.
This isn't 1st Amendment censorship, and it's not even that big of a deal. AT&T is allowed to do what it wants when it comes to a portal site they own.
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| Re: Quite frankly... said by texans20 :This isn't 1st Amendment censorship, and it's not even that big of a deal. AT&T is allowed to do what it wants when it comes to a portal site they own. Exactly. While it may be bad PR, they own their part of the network and the facilities hosting the portal. If they choose to censor the content that is their right. It is also the right of all of the customers and clients to look for services elsewhere.
Free speech is about standing on a soapbox on a street corner (usually with a permit these days) and saying what you want. Anything else will generally require the use of someone elses means of transmission, be it a newspaper, television or radio transmitter, or the Internet. In those cases, you will be limited by the owner of those properties. Alternately you can publish your own newspaper or books on your dime and say what you want without interference.
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1 edit | Alright, here we go again for the bastard savants of Ayn Rand:
I have dealt with a lot of music industry contracts in the day. There is no way any band, especially PJ, would sign away their rights to political speech in any venue, be it live performance or broadcast. Period. Rights not conferred in the contract are always covered by a statement that rights unspecified do not mean rights are conferred. Never, ever, would any artist sign away rights to express themselves in manners not deemed obscene by local standards or agreement between contractor and contractee.
Once again, I spent 27 years of my life in the music business, dealing with stuff like this. I used to carry an accounting case full of contracts and not because I needed the exercise.
Full stop: you guys are talking out of a very unseemly and inappropriate circularly-ordered, lower-anterior muscle group. You are either groping for legal justification for AT&T's censorship, in the service of a personal idealogy or you are simply shilling. | |
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The kick is good...its going, its going, its gone! 3 points for the win.
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Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
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| PR on this? Honestly, who cares enough to cancel their AT&T service as result of them censoring this? We all know everyone is doing it... you just go from one evil empire to the next.
Freedom of speech are only for thosr in distance to the rock they stand on. Everything else is subject to censorship. You know what - it should be too.
I don't care the bands opinion for or against politics - I don't pay to hear that - just sing you punks. In the same, I don't want to hear some other bands opinions onpolitics, religion, or the like either.
AT&T agreed to broadcast a concert not a political debate. | |
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Saint Louis, MO | Re: Quite frankly... I'm more likely to quit A T & T because of the fact that they are SO inconsistent in their phone/DSL billing, than I am over censorship of a few words. | |
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1 edit | Good I think they should be censored. They're not getting paid for their opinions. It's their job is to play music, so they should play and keep their big pie hole's shut! Last thing I want to hear are the moral views of a bunch of heroin, meth heads. I would get fired if I used my job to express my political views, why should Pearl Jam be able too? Screw Pearl Jam, their music sucks any way. | |
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Don't like it? Get off your ass go buy a ticket and attend the concert in person. | |
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Jamaica Plain, MA | Re: Good That's one option.
The other is complaining about it here, an industry site, to educate other users and to put pressure on AT&T to change their business practices. AT&T has every right to censor, but we have every right not to take it. | |
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| said by Trub :I think they should be censored. They're not getting paid for their opinions. It's their job is to play music, so they should play and keep their big pie hole's shut! Last thing I want to hear are the moral views of a bunch of heroin, meth heads. I would get fired if I used my job to express my political views, why should Pearl Jam be able too? Screw Pearl Jam, there music sucks any way. Hey, if you don't like their political opinions, don't listen to them. Some of us might want to hear them, and you're not the only kid on the block. | |
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| Considering most music has lyrics to it, it would be hard for them to keep their big pie hole shut. If you don't want to hear there views don't listen. Great way to characterize musician's as a bunch of heroin, meth heads. No one is forcing you to listen to their music. Who cares if you would get fired if you expressed your political views. The music industry is a tad bit different than the industry you are in. | |
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They're so much worse than those drunk-ass, sheep stuffing, dog shootin country singers.. | |
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| Using music to express political views is perfectly valid and has been done for quite some time. One that springs to mind is Fortunate Son by Creedence Clearwater Revival back in 1969. That song was a protest song against the war in Vietnam.
In fact, a quick check of Wikipedia shows that Protest Songs ( »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest_song ) go back to 1381's "The Cutty Wren" (which I'm sure everyone here is familiar with ) which protested against feudal oppression.
The "I can't do it in my job so they can't in their job" argument is completely without merit. It assumes that two completely different professions must have the same restrictions set on them. I can't show up in my job in anything other than dress clothes (suit and tie preferred). Therefore, by your line of reasoning, a worker in an assembly line plant should be wearing a suit and tie. After all, if I can't show up in a T-Shirt and jeans, why should he? | |
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| said by Trub :I think they should be censored. They're not getting paid for their opinions. It's their job is to play music, so they should play and keep their big pie hole's shut! Last thing I want to hear are the moral views of a bunch of heroin, meth heads. I would get fired if I used my job to express my political views, why should Pearl Jam be able too? Screw Pearl Jam, their music sucks any way. Could someone censor this please. I'm not interested in his opinions.
[/sarcasm Off]Dude. Please try and see the big picture and where this type of thing will go.
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| said by Trub :I think they should be censored. They're not getting paid for their opinions. It's their job is to play music, so they should play and keep their big pie hole's shut! Last thing I want to hear are the moral views of a bunch of heroin, meth heads. I would get fired if I used my job to express my political views, why should Pearl Jam be able too? Screw Pearl Jam, their music sucks any way. You, and a few others here, must really like that warm sand your head is buried in!
In case you did not know, they were SINGING some LYRICS during a SONG.
As for thinking that people should be censored, why? Are you afraid of somebody actually speaking their mind for all of a couple phrases during some music?
If "Synthetic music" for a brave new world is all you desire, so be it.
And if you really think PJ does those sorts of drugs, you are a sad sap indeed. Please, your disdain for music is sick enough, you don't need to slander one of the hardest working bands of our time because you think they're drugged out. Your posts make me wonder what you're on if you can't even use proper grammar... | |
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| Eats it and Wants it. If AT&T is going to profit off of PJ, then they have allied themselves with PJ. What PJ says during the event is now part of AT&T.
Sorry corps. When you choose to make your money off of something disreputable or dishonorable, YOU are now disreputable and dishonorable.
By censoring PJ, AT&T is indulging in hypocrisy at every level.
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Quit whining. I wish Uverse would censor rap music and country music from entering my tv stream. Along with annoying commercials, heck censor P2P altogether. | |
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It's All About The Ping
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| About Time It's about time a Bush basher gets silenced.
But I am so sick of bands that spew politics, STFU and play no one gives a rats ass what you think and when they do it at a concert well that is just BS, no one comes to listen to preaching from any side of the fence we pay to hear you play.
Well I put my money where my mouth is I have stopped buying anything from these bands that can't stick to playing music.
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Willow Spring, NC | Re: Politics and snitches make strange bedfellows....... Pearl Jam and AT&T...
They still around?
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| disgusting... the faux morality in this thread stinks... some of you people make arguments about what at&t did or didn't do on the level of a 5 year old... you look for these weird moral inconsistencies where none should exist... after reading several articles on this thing, it's a big to-do about nothing... even if at&t actively sought to suppress anyone speech or opinions, they can whether you like it or not... americans may be entitled to their opinions, but they aren't entitled to force them on anyone and if they are using a venue to promote those opinions and speech and that venue decides for any reason to assure that it doesn't make it to those they want to hear it, then oh well, that's life and it's too bad... go out on your own and promote what you are saying without using at&t or anyone else to monitor what you say...
so even the way broadband.com reports this article is specious to say the least... some of you should really understand how things work before having an internet tantrum about what is and what isn't... | |
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| Re: disgusting... I agree with Amodeus1 and further more I agree with ATT. I wish they where at every concert I went too. Nothing irritates more then some burnt out hippy on stage bashing something they no nothing about!
I love music as much as the next guy. However, I look at bands as my prostitute. During or after my play time I want NO TALKING! I pay them to SHUT UP and play! After the show is done I am happy and they get their crack money! I do not pay them to give some speech! So PLEEEAASSSSEEE AT&T the more censor these bands on their wild tangents the better! | |
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| Keep on rockin in the free world! I remember when they did that gig and started singing keep on rockin in the free world! I am glad that they have not changed. I guess mike moore said it best in sicko: In france, the government is afraid of the people, cus they protest on everything that is wrong. in the US, the people are afraid of the government, cus what corporate dictatorship country would like someone speaking out? | |
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| Re: Keep on rockin in the free world! Actually Canada would most likely ship YOU back to France.  and the French would just leave you at the airport.
Now would you be so kind as to remove your cranium from the your sphincter?
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| Re: It's Called: Partnership said by HeHeHe :
Don't know why people are so upset about this issue. After all, the Bush administration has gone out there way to help AT&T. AT&T is just returning the favor. Gotta protect those who let a monopoly get away with anything they want.
Sadly this is our truth these days.
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| what a joke was Pearl Jam paid to do the show???? YES!!!!! AT&T can do what they want with their broadcast, if you don't like it use someone else. There is nothing worse than entertainers making political statements when they are at a paid show.....I enjoy their music but could give a $%^$ what they think of Bush or any other politician for that matter. | |
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| Re: what a joke Yes AT&T can do what they want with their website but how come later At&t said it was a "mistake ". When AT&T starts censoring content they are tampering with the performance and Pearl Jams freedom of speech. I would strongly disagree with your statement that entertainers making political statements is bad. Through out history music has been used to inspire political movements and revolutions. Just look at performances by Jimi Hendrix or Bob Dylan in the 60s. They had a deep social impact on the American public. Wither it be the civil rights movement or the anti Vietnam war movement. I would hope a majority of Americans would side with Pearl Jam.
It is a good thing blue room didn' exist during the 60s.
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