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join:2002-11-24 | Yes! Dual format players, here I come! | |
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join:2001-06-27
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Carbon Based Lifeform
join:2002-09-03
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| Not so fast there:
"On January 7, 2007, LG Electronics announced the release of the BH-100 (Super-Multi Blue Player), the first player to market that was able to play movies from both high definition formats. It is not able to utilize the interactive menus and features (HDi) of the HD DVD format."
It's more of a complete Blu-Ray machine that can also play HD-DVD movies. Just wanted everyone to know before they run out and get this thing. | |
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join:2004-03-19
Here | Re: Yes! What online war? HD DVD isn't winning by any measure in any way. There are far fewer HD DVD players out and they sell reliably far fewer titles thank blu-ray. | |
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Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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| Re: Wal-Mart To The Rescue said by pnh102  :When are all those HD-DVD titles that Wal-Mart supposedly ordered going to be on the shelves? I was wondering that myself....if Wal*Mart endorses both formats, but only carries HD DVD at their stores, I think that'll be enough to push HD DVD to the lead (once players are around the $200 or below mark).
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Houston, TX | Re: Wal-Mart To The Rescue the Wal-mart's around where i live carry very few HD DVD's and mostly Blu-ray's (number wise not quantity) and even then there are more holes for the Blu-ray section oh well | |
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| Patiently waiting I'll wait. Let things settle down.
I was amazed how much better HD looked than standard DVD's. I watched Star Wars Phantom Menace on HBO in HD before I cancelled it, and the picture was AWESOME.
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United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
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| Fight! The hd-dvd players are a lot cheaper than blu-ray.
The hd-dvd's have regular dvd versions on them.
The hd-dvd is a standard, blu-ray is proprietary.
The blu-ray hold more data.
If I choose hd-dvd I can play them on my current dvd player and tv.
If I choose blu-ray, I have to buy a new player and tv.
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join:2004-07-28
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| Re: Fight! said by gaforces :The hd-dvd players are a lot cheaper than blu-ray. The hd-dvd's have regular dvd versions on them. The hd-dvd is a standard, blu-ray is proprietary. The blu-ray hold more data. If I choose hd-dvd I can play them on my current dvd player and tv. If I choose blu-ray, I have to buy a new player and tv. So wrong on so many levels. | |
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join:2006-09-08
Alexandria, VA
·Comcast
| said by gaforces :The hd-dvd players are a lot cheaper than blu-ray. The hd-dvd's have regular dvd versions on them.The hd-dvd is a standard, blu-ray is proprietary. The blu-ray hold more data. If I choose hd-dvd I can play them on my current dvd player and tv.
If I choose blu-ray, I have to buy a new player and tv. 1. No, not all HD-DVD's have the DVD version on them
2. No, not all HD-DVD's will be able to be played on a regular DVD player. Just the Combo discs and only the DVD side.
3. You can play Blu-rays on any TV but need a Blu-Ray player or PS3 or BD-ROM to play them. | |
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United We Stand, Divided We Fall
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| Re: Fight! said by KraziJoe :said by gaforces :The hd-dvd players are a lot cheaper than blu-ray. The hd-dvd's have regular dvd versions on them.The hd-dvd is a standard, blu-ray is proprietary. The blu-ray hold more data. If I choose hd-dvd I can play them on my current dvd player and tv.
If I choose blu-ray, I have to buy a new player and tv. 1. No, not all HD-DVD's have the DVD version on them 2. No, not all HD-DVD's will be able to be played on a regular DVD player. Just the Combo discs and only the DVD side. 3. You can play Blu-rays on any TV but need a Blu-Ray player or PS3 or BD-ROM to play them. I have to point out that you are adding onto what I posted with your ALL.
And, if I wanted the benefit of a better format, I would have to buy a new TV.
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Who of many good things have had your fill even to surfeit,
With what is moderate nourish your mighty desire; for neither will
We yield, nor shall you have all else as you wish.’
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| Re: Fight! said by gaforces :And, if I wanted the benefit of a better format, I would have to buy a new TV. So in your case, with both formats you would need a new TV to have the full benefit...correct? | |
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| Re: Fight! said by koolkid1563 :said by gaforces :And, if I wanted the benefit of a better format, I would have to buy a new TV. So in your case, with both formats you would need a new TV to have the full benefit...correct? Yes, around $1000 for the cheapest 1080p that I would consider. | |
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join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX | Re: Fight! Then you might as well wait. a $1000 television isn't going to give you true 1080p HD resolution... at least not in a screen size that would matter. Maybe after the laser diode HD televisions come to market that might change. | |
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Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
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Davenport, FL
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| Re: Fight! said by SRFireside :Then you might as well wait. a $1000 television isn't going to give you true 1080p HD resolution... at least not in a screen size that would matter. Maybe after the laser diode HD televisions come to market that might change. Yet a 60" would completely dominate one of the walls in my room.
So it's no problem for me to get a 1080p display in a notebook, or 1080p on a 24" monitor, so why does it have to be physically impossible to get a 1080p TV at anything smaller than double the screen sizes of either. It's not like I need a display large enough to where I can go up to it and point out every individual pixel. | |
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join:2005-10-12
Orange, CA | KraziJoe, you have not brought anything new to this forum. BAD FORM!
AND HD-DVD works with xbox. | |
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join:2004-03-19
Here | Re: Fight! 'AND HD-DVD works with xbox.'
If you spend the extra money and it can't even pull off full HD. | |
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join:2002-12-04
USA | Re: Fight! Yes it can. There was a firmware update that enable 1080P. Also, 360 Elite has HDMI.
On the flip side
The HD DVD / DVD combo disks cost too much. What a rip off!
Both media are overpriced. | |
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join:2004-03-19
Here | Re: Fight! It can't do HD audio. If it has to rely on lossy compression for audio then it's simply not HD. | |
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join:2005-11-06
Powell, WY
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| said by gaforces :If I choose hd-dvd I can play them on my current dvd player and tv. If I choose blu-ray, I have to buy a new player and tv. I have to slightly disagree with you.
Only some HD-DVDs have both formats on the disc...not all of them.
To play a HD-DVD you will need a HD-DVD player. When you watch the DVD (SD) side of a HD-DVD disc that has both formats, it is the exact same thing as watching the standard DVD.
You don't need a new TV to watch Blu-ray, just the player is all you need.
Yes, I have both formats, and to be quite honest, they are both equally as good at this point...then again, I only have 2 or three movies per format... | |
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join:2004-03-19
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| HD DVd is proprietary technology. Toshiba is the major stakeholder.
Blu-ray is tailored to the enthusiast and the developers have worked closely with them to deliver the absolute best video and audio. HD DVD paid off a major compressionist and paid off some studios to back it as "good enough".
As a format it stinks. | |
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join:2002-12-04
USA | Re: Fight! Both are proprietary technologies. I agree... As a format Blu-ray stinks...
Both formats have been developed by many companies. I don't know which one is better. From the consumer side, they're about the same. | |
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join:2000-02-01
Vallejo, CA
| said by bogey780 :HD DVd is proprietary technology. Toshiba is the major stakeholder. Blu-ray is tailored to the enthusiast and the developers have worked closely with them to deliver the absolute best video and audio. HD DVD paid off a major compressionist and paid off some studios to back it as "good enough". As a format it stinks. Ummm, HD DVD was developed by the SAME group that came out with DVD! HD DVD is a Finished format, Blu-Ray is still being worked on and won't be finalized until October if all goes well!!! Those new features added to Blu-Ray then will allow those players to do the things HD DVD already does NOW and has been able to do since day 1.
Blu-Ray has Double the Copy Protection, BD+ just isn't being used yet as once again, Blu-Ray is not finished. It's also Region coded just like DVDs. HD DVD on the other hand isn't. IN fact you can buy Supposedly Blu-Ray only Movies in HD DVD format from other countries and play them just fine in full HD quality which increases the library of movies even more.
You Blu-Ray people are SUCKERS! Hop on that Sony Band wagon. All those stand alone Blu-Ray players will have to be replaced if you want the new features to do things HD DVD already does, and the Movie "300" is a perfect example of this. The only so called advantage Blu-Ray has is that extra 20 gig's of space, and you know what? HD DVD movies look and sound just as good as Blu-Ray, in fact it's only recently Blu-Ray got to be as good quality wise because for a while there they were releasing movies on 25 gig disc's using Mpeg2 compression. Even now though, with same quality, the Many HD DVD Movie versions released on both formats, HD DVD has Extra content on them Blu-Ray lacks!!! Space doesn't seem to be a problem at all.
What do you get with Blu-Ray?
1. 20 extra gig's of disc space, which hasn't done anything
2. You get Double the Copy protection!!!
3. You get Region Coding.
4. Your using a unfinished format.
5. I believe part of that second layer of protection gives a lot of control of your Blu-Ray player to Sony. From Locking you out of a movie, to locking up your player. Yep, how nice.
6. Looking forward to buying a new player that's fully supported because your old one can't be upgraded, though I'd imagine the PS3 should be.
The Blu-Ray format sucks! Sure it's good for the Movie Studio's which is why SONY wants it, but BAD for the Consumers. Sony also wants the Royalties, something Sony's been paying for with DVDs and would with HD DVD. I want Blu-Ray to DIE alone with Sony's other worthless formats like Betamax, MD Disc's, UMD Disc's SACD, Memory Stick.
No one wants them but SONY. The Sooner Blu-Ray dies, the better. No need for expensive Duel format players, and 2 different HD versions.
Lets not drag this out like with SACD and DVD Audio which basically killed that High Quality Audio war and allowed MP3's and the IPOD to rule that area. If it doesn't end soon, both formats will end up failing, and then it'll be something else, probably down loadable HD content. Still a lot of problems with that. Need Broadband, not very portable, etc. | |
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United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA | Re: Fight! Im generally a fan of the hd-dvd but your post is mostly propaganda BS. | |
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join:2004-03-19
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| 'HD DVD is a Finished format'
No it's not. They still haven't finalized the spec for 51GB TL discs or 17GB SL discs.
'Those new features added to Blu-Ray then will allow those players to do the things HD DVD already does NOW and has been able to do since day 1.'
PiP. Big whoop.
'You Blu-Ray people are SUCKERS!'
Eh....if that's what you call people who buy a format that is ultra-reliable and has a guaranteed 1080p and lossless 5.1 in all players (HD DVD only guarantees 2 channel lossless)
'HD DVD movies look and sound just as good as Blu-Ray'
Then how come without all that space HD DVD barely fits their movies in 30GB and can manage at best 4.5 and usually ends up getting 3.5-4/5 reviews?
Face it, HD DVD is a legacy booster. It takes DVD and extends it out to the detriment of HD.
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Lets not drag this out like with SACD and DVD Audio which basically killed that High Quality Audio war and allowed MP3's and the IPOD to rule that area.'
Funny, it was almost over till HD DVD decided to buy out a major studio.
I'd rather HD DVD supporters come clean and admit their support of the format has everything to do with hating Sony and nothing to do with desiring a quality product. Because so far Blu-ray is by far the friendlier to the consumer. | |
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C0deZer0
Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
Premium
join:2001-10-03
Davenport, FL
·Verizon FIOS
| BluRay is made by Sony, who also made:
- UMD's
- ATRAC
- MiniDisc
- BetaMax
- the rootkitted music CD's
All of which have been epic, colossal failures.
BluRay also still has the region-locking where one can import an HD-DVD from any region and still play it.
Launch BluRay movies were all in MPEG2, and thus looked no better than DVD's in most cases. HD-DVD started with VC-1, which still compares very well to H.264, which finally now both sides use.
Also, as far as product quality goes, my experiences with Sony can be divided (very sharply) in two eras...
Before playstation - extremely solid, strong construction, great product quality
Post-PlayStation - I've yet to have a single product that has not had to be replaced at least once. Just in PlayStations, I've gone through three PS1's and am on my third PS2, totalling about $1000 wasted on busted console hardware. I've once bought a Sony TV that didn't even last a week before its CRT blew; replaced with a Toshiba that's gone for 4 years and since passed it on to my brother.
By Comparison, I've yet to have a single Toshiba product that's gone south on me, in all these years.
And HD-DVD is the format approved by the DVD Forum; Sony's BluRay is not. intial BluRay players can't even recognize the dual-layer media that Sony is trying to sell everyone on about being "50GB's of storage!!11z0MGl33tz0rz!". And as evidenced by the "combo" discs, HD-DVD can also do much more than just two layers for its media, and players don't seem to have a problem with those multiple layers either. | |
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join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
| Re: Fight! said by C0deZer0 :BluRay is made by Sony, who also made: - UMD's - ATRAC - MiniDisc - BetaMax - the rootkitted music CD's All of which have been epic, colossal failures. You're forgetting that the Blu-Ray technology was developed as a joint venture between Sony and Phillips (the creators of LaserDisk and the CD). You cant dump all of your Blu-Ray grief onto just Sony. Also I haven't heard any resolution regarding patent royalties yet so Sony isn't really collecting on the technology at this time.
said by C0deZer0 :BluRay also still has the region-locking where one can import an HD-DVD from any region and still play it. DVD's have twice the region coding as blu-ray does. Sure none is best, but you are crapping on BR for having less regional restrictions than the DVD's we have been so used too all this time. Plus I heard region coding is not completely off the table for HD-DVD yet (although I heard that a long time ago... nothing new since then).
said by C0deZer0 :Launch BluRay movies were all in MPEG2, and thus looked no better than DVD's in most cases. HD-DVD started with VC-1, which still compares very well to H.264, which finally now both sides use. Blame that on the studios who released the movies that way. Not the technology. Blu-Ray was capable of using all of the same formats HD-DVD can from the get go. And yes, Sony is one of the culprits. At least they are trying to make up for it. For example The Fifth Element has been remastered for blu-ray and if you bought the older version they will do a free exchange for you. You sure ALL blu-ray launches were MPEG2?
said by C0deZer0 :Also, as far as product quality goes, my experiences with Sony can be divided (very sharply) in two eras... Sorry you have had problems with Sony products. On the other hand my first Playstation was my only one and worked perfectly. Still have my PS2 after six years with zero issues.
said by C0deZer0 :By Comparison, I've yet to have a single Toshiba product that's gone south on me, in all these years. The only Toshiba DVD player I had would freeze up on several DVDs that I owned. Never had that problem with any other DVD player. I suppose that just means some people are lucky not getting the lemons in the bunch.
said by C0deZer0 :And HD-DVD is the format approved by the DVD Forum; Sony's BluRay is not. According to the DVD Forum website they haven't made a decision either way regarding Sony and Philips Blu-Ray technology. The debate is regarding the whether or not the DVD Forum will adopt the proposed formats (0.6mm or 0.1mm) for blu-ray. FYI - Sony is one of the ten member companies of the DVD Forum.
said by C0deZer0 :intial BluRay players can't even recognize the dual-layer media that Sony is trying to sell everyone on about being "50GB's of storage!!11z0MGl33tz0rz!". You're harping on limitations of hardware now. The technology itself isn't the problem.
said by C0deZer0 :And as evidenced by the "combo" discs, HD-DVD can also do much more than just two layers for its media, Please cite this. I cannot find any backing to that claim.
said by C0deZer0 :and players don't seem to have a problem with those multiple layers either. Again... hardware. Look hard enough and I bet there are some early release HD-DVD players that couldn't do dual layer. If you look at the current Blu-Ray players they all seem to support dual layer.
BTW- The whole 1080p statement was about getting a true 1080p television for under $1000 at a screen size that matters for that format (say 40"+). That is what I think is unrealistic. Not that 1080p big screens don't exist. | |
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join:2004-03-19
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| If you love Toshiba quality then please don't buy an HD DVd player. It'll only ruin your fond memories.
So far Blu-ray has a solid quality control and almost every player works flawless (at least as flawless as most DVD players). Toshiba has people bricking consoles during firmware updates and boiling discs.
'intial BluRay players can't even recognize the dual-layer media that Sony is trying to sell everyone on about being "50GB's of storage!'
Ehhh....Completely wrong and typical of HD DVD supporters to lie about well established facts.
'and players don't seem to have a problem with those multiple layers either.'
Now you're being silly. HD DVD suppporters are ecstatic when they hear that the combo is reliable "most" of the times.
HD DVD is the yugo of high tech optical storage. Cheap and works...most of the time. | |
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
·Cruzio Internet
| HD-DVD is an open format.
from wiki
In May 1997, the DVD Consortium was replaced by the DVD Forum, which is open to all other companies.
Mission
The DVD Forum was created to facilitate the exchange of information and ideas about the DVD format, and to enable it to grow through technical improvement and innovation. The organization hopes to promote worldwide acceptance of DVD for entertainment, consumer electronics and information technology applications. Membership in the DVD Forum is open to any company or organization involved in DVD research, development, or manufacturing; software firms and other DVD users interested in developing the format are also encouraged to join. Forum members can support other formats in addition to DVD.
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With what is moderate nourish your mighty desire; for neither will
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join:2004-03-19
Here
| Re: Fight! If you can't spell the name then how can you be so sure you know what you're talking about.
The forum is open. The format is most certainly not. Toshiba is the primary patent holdert on the technology. Microsoft is the primary patent holder of HDi and VC-1.
HD DVD supporters for some reason tend to get all their basic facts wrong. | |
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nathill
join:2004-05-03
Bloomington, IN
| Get this figured out, already I have five HDTVs in my house and a bunch of audio equipment. I am not afraid to spend money on HDTV.
I (and surely many, many other folks) simply are not going to buy into either competing format until one "wins."
Until these competing interests can figure that out, nobody wins. | |
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| MichaelWacey
OwlSaver
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join:2005-01-30
Berwyn, PA | Re: Get this figured out, already I agree. As long as there are two formats I will stick with DVD. Wake me when the war is over. | |
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macaholic
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Jackson Heights, NY
| I stay away from anything SONY does media .... In the end they have proprietary music, dvd, root kits, drm...
SONY sucks... and meanwhile HD players are way cheaper... gee, I wonder why???
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Sociopaths always win.
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
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| Ha Ha!
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Yes, it can play "normal" DVDs.
Yes, it has HDMI.
Yes, it has a 1080p capable screen(actually it's beyond 1080 - it's 1920x1200!).
Yes, I can burn whatever I wish to a Blu-ray blank - single layer(@25GB) *AND* dual layer(@50GB).
Yes, Blu-ray Discs(most of them) have Uncompressed Audio.
No worries here, and I do have the best HD playback format! 
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
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| both will fail... The more these entities pump money into two formats which are insanely priced above many consumer's radar, the harder both will fail...
I predict that there will NOT be a DUAL FORMAT hi-def standard such as HD-DVD/BlueRay Super-Super-Multi drives that will get mass production. Both formats are too weak...
How reasonable is it to backup a 1tb hard drive with 50gb discs? Insane...
Both should fail a miserable death and come out with version 2.0 starting at 100gb! So, back to the drawing board guys!
And to all of you early adopters who bought equipment!
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Saint Peters, MO
| Re: both will fail... said by tmc8080 :Both should fail a miserable death and come out with version 2.0 starting at 100gb! So, back to the drawing board guys! Wasn't Sony working on a 100GB (or more) BlueRay disk that will work in existing BlueRay players? | |
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sman83
join:2004-11-09
Urbana, IL | Sony already working with porn industry.. Sony has begun already releasing some technical info to the porn industry about blu-ray about a month or two ago..there not going down without a fight.. | |
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RonJeremy
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The internet killed the porn 'industry' so it will not be a factor in this format war. | |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
| Re: Sony already working with porn industry.. Actually the porn industry saved the Internet. The single most successful industry online is porn. Considering the billions that are being made I would hardly say porn as a business got killed.
Still it is true that the porn industry will definitely NOT decide which hi-def DVD format will win. | |
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If they took money does that make them prostitutes?
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Quetzalcoatl6
join:2005-07-20
Adelanto, CA
| t For those of you that are doing the VHS-Beta wars. This is much different. With beta Sony held all the rights and would not let anyone else make a player, that is why it failed. VHS was licenced to everyone so they were able to flood the market with them at cheaper prices. With Blu-ray there are many people making the players. So Sony has already fixed this problem.
Some of the HD DVD players have come out at low prices but they are not 1080P. If you compare somewhat equal machines from Blu-ray and HD DVD they are around the same price. Blu-ray samsung bd-1200 $599 and the HD DVD toshiba HD-AX2 now at $499 this is a $300 price drop making room for the new players. With both of these at BB you get 7 free movies right now 2 on the spot and 5 mir.
Right now it is way to early to tell who will win. I have one player from each but I want Blu-ray to win. Sony has done some stupid stuff but so has Microsoft and I want to keep my 2 main forms of entertainment in different camps. | |
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join:2001-08-27
Green Cove Springs, FL
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| 360 HD DVD player. I am very happy with my HD DVD player for my 360.
It only cost 150$ and if for whatever reason Blueray wins then Microsoft has the ability to just make an add on like the one they have now.
I am just happy that ill get to watch Transformers on my 50 inch plasma when it comes out. 
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Kansas City, MO
| HD DVD vs Blu-Ray I have players for both formats. I am curious why in all of these articles on the two formats why no one mentions all the problems with HD DVD dvd's.
I have never had a problem playing a Blu-Ray out of the box, but have had all kinds of problems playing HD DVD's. Look at all movies from Miramax, look at Children of Men, the list goes on and on. simply search for hd dvd unable to play or freezing on Google and you find hundreds of people having problems.
I have a 1080p TV and both play in equal video and sound quality, but when I purchase an HD DVD it is a crap shoot whether it will play or not right out of the box or have to wait for some patch to fix it. Why do you think HD DVDs have to release both formats on one disc... it's because they know there are a high percentage of titles that won't play and they can say, oh just play the dvd side and wait for a patch so they can continue to deliver poor quality product to consumers.
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| bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | Re: HD DVD vs Blu-Ray Thanks for the honesty.
People who are fanatically HD DVD owners always belittle talk about problems with their discs but it's simply true. The quality control stinks. | |
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ReVeLaTeD
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join:2001-11-10
San Diego, CA
| Lots of people here don't get it. I own both player types. I have no Blu-rays. I have a stock of HD-DVD.
The problem with HD-DVD, the main one, has been resolved...they're doing away with multi-format discs. All of the DVD/HD combo discs are being redistributed as HD only discs. That combo pressing is what is causing problems for some players. See the Ultimate Matrix Collection: Matrix Reloaded for an example of this.
Blu-ray has the majority of studios, but I don't see the mass influx of great movies coming out that I would expect. There are a select number of must-haves, but generally speaking, the numbers of movies are comparable to HD. The other thing that people need to consider is that the only reason that Blu-ray has more players out in the homes is because of PS3 forcing you to have it. Some people who are frustrated with the lack of games for PS3 are turning to Blu-ray to justify their purchases; as a result, they are sold on high def movies and Blu-ray is automatically their choice. It's really no different than the war between Apple OS and Windows; once they started installing Windows on new PCs out the gate, the popularity of Windows increased, because the majority of people weren't exposed to anything else (called the "know no better" syndrome). It's the same here.
I prefer HD-DVD myself. The interactive internet content stuff doesn't mean anything to me, but some of the other features do. Additionally, being able to use my 360 to drive the movies means I can support VGA - which effectively means I'll get the best possible resolution no matter what TV or monitor I'm plugged into.
I know some prefer Blu-ray and that's fine. I don't fault them for their choice. I'm just not feeling that format right now. Paramount moving to HD is a positive step methinks. Now all we need is New Line to make up its mind, and we'll be all set as far as the mainstream movies go. | |
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DeathK
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join:2002-06-16
Cincinnati, OH
| Bad Reporting This "news" report is not entirely accurate. First off, the rampant claims of $150 million in incentives can't be substantiated with any kind of proof, because there is none. Secondly, Paramount's HD DVD exclusivity is indefinite according to Paramount's own CTO. Read the interview I linked to below to get all of the FACTS straight from the horse's mouth.
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| bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | Re: After reading through all of this thread ... Well that's why I went with blu-ray. The format is designed for the next generation from the ground up and is tailored to consumers who want the best quality. | |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| I'll give you another reason... Another reason why the so-called hi-definition video format war hasn't had a winner, is because of the internet..
As the evolution of having cd audio transformed from a physical media to a virutal one (ipod was a more of a scifi term than an apple product of the year 10 years ago), video data of all format/codec and quality specifications goes "ONLINE" or virutal as well...
which, is to say.. a "secure disc format" become less and less important to the consumer, and more and more important for copyright holders, which in turn... just like an Iraqi hopeless cause keep pumping money into hedging its bets priming the consumer to buy in mass quantities.. the same magic may not happen again. a format winner MAY coalesce around a format which benefits consumers AND can output to your devices the way YOU the buyer wants, not they way THEY, the copyright holders want. Why do both gaming consoles have hard drives? Sony and Microsoft both know that the disc formats may become obsolete in their workable lifetime so they've hedged that hard drives may take over.. which is a major defeat for content holders.
Compare disc format purchases with HARD DRIVE device purchases.. what, 70 MILLION ipods... and that's just ONE maker of hard drive media players. As I've said before, hard drives are making the HD-DVD/BLUE-RAY format obsolete. Time and the march of tecnology/internet are the enemies.. sooner or later flash memory chips will defeat hard drives. | |
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The Battle Between HD DVD and Blu-Ray
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