Fairpoint Keeps Making DSL Promises As three-state deal hangs in the balance... Tipped by swintec 
While Verizon spends $23 billion to upgrade profitable areas to FiOS, they're still trying to gain regulatory approval to offload unprofitable areas (known to you as Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont) to Fairpoint Communications. The sophisticated deal is a real windfall for Verizon, who stands to obliterate $1.7 billion in debt and gain $600 million in tax write-offs due to some fancy financial footwork. Fairpoint, meanwhile, has been trying to wow regulators by making a ton of promises about speed and deployment -- promises which neither the unions nor consumer advocates think Fairpoint will be able to keep. They recently unveiled their $13.6 million plan to upgrade New Hampshire with the "latest and greatest state-of-the-art DSL product," and this week announced they'd spend $16.1 million to upgrade Maine. The promise is in addition to the $12 million Verizon recently promised to invest in Maine in order to bring broadband penetration there to 70%. Fairpoint is promising DSL (and it is just a promise, not an obligation) to 85% of its customers within two years of the deal's closure, but consumer advocates aren't signing off unless it's put in writing.
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 intellerSociopaths always win. join:2003-12-08 Tulsa, OK 1 edit | sounds like Farpoint needs to get bought by Embarq... or maybe Windstream. They are too sucky on their own, they should merge with a larger, less sucky company. -- "WHEN THE LAUGH TRACK STARTS THEN THE FUN STARTS!" | |
|  |  Sammer join:2005-12-22 Canonsburg, PA | Re: sounds like Farpoint needs to get bought by Embarq... said by inteller:or maybe Windstream. They are too sucky on their own, they should merge with a larger, less sucky company. The reason Verizon isn't willing to sell to Embarq or Windstream in the first place is that $600 million in tax savings would go away. If Fairpoint survives for at least year after the sale then a larger company could buy them. | |
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 | | VERIZON Whats the prob, there shouldn't be any justification for holding off approval once they (Verizon) has met their contractual agreements! -- Burn a tire, but make sure you buy that carbon offset! | |
|  PhoenixDown-- Wants FIOSPremium join:2003-06-08 Fresh Meadows, NY kudos:1 | 3 way contract.... Fairpoint pays VZ to upgrade facilities and install DSL services and upon successful completion, these areas are transfered over to Fairpoint. -- {Insert Something Witty Here} | |
|  jester121Premium join:2003-08-09 Lake Zurich, IL | If only... I wonder if the U.S. could just sell those three states to Canada and be done with it?
Something tells me Verizon wouldn't mind a bit. | |
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 |  Sammer join:2005-12-22 Canonsburg, PA | New Hampshire wouldn't be happy as part of Canada and Mexico wants Southern California back. | |
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 | | Ever work for a southern-held corporation?
It's not worth it. Their policy is, No OT, No Benefits and work weekends.
Slavery is alive and well below the MD line. It just doesn't descriminate color...unless its greenback. | |
|  batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ | This is what you wanted. Ma Bell is dead and yet the people bitch. | |
|  |  | | Re: This is what you wanted. Ma Bell is dead? What deluded planet do you inhabit? | |
|  |  |  BOGBSPremium join:2004-05-11 Saco, ME Reviews:
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1 edit | Re: This is what you wanted. I'm surprised you haven't seen him say that one. It's just about everyday, I'd be worried if I didn't see that somewhere, or talk of the leeches, etc.
Back to the topic. The worst thing about this proposed transaction is FRP's track record with union employment. I'm sure when the contract expires they'll try to pull something. If not then, sometime later. Unions aren't all great... but they do offer some sort of standards for utility employees that have to brave the beautiful weather around New England, as well as those of which work inside. Of course unions have their downfalls, but I'm feeling that it's nothing in comparison to what non-unionized employment at Fairpoint is like. I could be wrong...
I know I'll probably get the standard "Unions suck, blah blah blah", but I really don't care. I believe that the Unions are necessary for utility workers, as they can easily get abused if no one is looking out for them. At the very least, the outside techs should be unionized/protected from being screwed by management.
Even saying that, their quality of service isn't that great for the small areas in Maine that they already cover. I'm pretty sure this "promise" will be a dead one, even if it is put in writing. | |
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| Re: This is what you wanted. said by BOGBS:I know I'll probably get the standard "Unions suck, blah blah blah", but I really don't care. I believe that the Unions are necessary for utility workers, as they can easily get abused if no one is looking out for them. At the very least, the outside techs should be unionized/protected from being screwed by management. at&t and Verizon are are 100% union in their core business. It hasn't hurt them. | |
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2 edits | Re: This is what you wanted. Oh yeah, I know that one, but I was speaking about after the acquisition/transaction. I meant that if Fairpoint tried to do some union busting, things wouldn't be so great. Sorry about the lack of clarification.
At least I think you were trying to say the core (outside/inside, et al) are 100% I'm just misunderstanding again, never mind me, it's been a long week of work.. | |
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|  |  icedcornIcedCornPremium join:2007-07-08 Rochester, NH Reviews:
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| Heh Live free or die, baby.
Thank god I ditched Verizon for cable VoIP . I never thought I would say that. But their 3.0 DSL which sometimes gave me 1.8, I think I'll pass....
Maybe Verizon would also like to sell all our residential lines to SunRocket as well... | |
|  |  | | Re: Heh said by icedcorn:Live free or die, baby. Thank god I ditched Verizon for cable VoIP  . I never thought I would say that. But their 3.0 DSL which sometimes gave me 1.8, I think I'll pass.... Maybe Verizon would also like to sell all our residential lines to SunRocket as well... Eh, they do me okay.
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|  |  |  icedcornIcedCornPremium join:2007-07-08 Rochester, NH | Re: Heh Yes, but you're in New York. Not Northern New England.
If we had FIOS, DSL that went up to 3.0 (it's 1.5 down max here)...etc, I'd have a different tune! | |
|  |  |  |  | | Re: Heh said by icedcorn:Yes, but you're in New York. Not Northern New England. If we had FIOS, DSL that went up to 3.0 (it's 1.5 down max here)...etc, I'd have a different tune! I'm actually in NE, but I understand your gripe. They need to penetrate rural areas better. It's all about cost though. | |
|  |  |  |  |  icedcornIcedCornPremium join:2007-07-08 Rochester, NH | Re: Heh Not sure where I got the NY -- sorry! | |
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 | | Fairpoint Seems to be commited in Vermont to gain aproval I was sent a email recently from the Windham County Broadband project in Vermont and Fair Point has stated they are commented to rolling service out in the Area.
Hello, Seekers of Broadband,
It has been a long time since you received an email about the search for high speed internet, and at last there is good news to report of a possible provider for all of us!
In May of this year, the Windham Broadband Project conducted a survey to see how many Windham homeowners would sign up for DSL from Verizon if it were available to them. We were hopeful that this would be possible since Verizon has installed fiber optic cable up Windham Hill Road. More than 50% of those receiving the survey said they were likely or very likely to sign up for DSL. The Windham select board sent a letter to Verizon with this information, urging them to deliver DSL here this year. Verizon responded two months later, basically saying they would probably deliver DSL to some homes in the area at some point in the future.
In late July, the Windham select board sent a similar letter to FairPoint Communications, the company that is trying to buy Verizons land lines in northern New England. Prior to that, FairPoint had announced a list of Vermont towns it would provide broadband to if the purchase were approved. Our area wasnt on the list. The select board asked FairPoint to reconsider its list and add those in the Windham area without broadband.
FairPoints answer arrived within two weeks with a personal phone call to say that we had been added. That was followed by a press release, announcing that Windham, Vermont and surrounding areas would be included in the Companys announced $13.8 million expansion of broadband service in Vermont upon completion of the Companys acquisition of Vermont land line business from Verizon Communications. The release also said that access in the Windham area is expected to be available during late 2008 or early 2009.
FairPoint refers to its service as broadband and not DSL, explaining it is different (faster and more stable) and will include an option for cable TV. I contacted friends of mine in Maine who have FairPoint as their broadband provider, and they reported that FairPoints service is good. They were pleased with the installation of the service, with the quick and easy internet access it provides, and with the help line that has been there when needed.
Best of all, FairPoint has indicated that it will offer its services to all in our area who want it, which has been a goal of the Windham Broadband Project from the beginning. FairPoint also indicated that their plans include those in West Townshend near Windham Hill Road and those in the Jamaica area. (Please note, however, that FairPoint has not committed in writing to provide broadband service for "everyone in our area. They have said in writing that they will provide broadband for more than 90% of their Vermont customers.)
FairPoint's service is contingent on approval of the Vermont Public Service Board, as well as similar boards in New Hampshire and Maine. You can help by contacting the Vermont PSB and expressing your interest in broadband from FairPoint. You can email psb.clerk@state.vt.us or write Public Service Board, 112 State Street, Drawer 20, Montpelier, VT 05620.
Questions have been raised about FairPoints financial ability to take on this three-state area. However, FairPoint maintains that it has the funds for the purchase of the land lines and that income generated from its new service areas will be invested in its expansion of broadband. The company focuses on delivery of services in rural areas and is well experienced in that regard. It is also committed to retaining all of Verizons current workers.
This is our best possibility for broadband. The Windham Broadband Project began the quest for broadband some 30 months ago. We have tried for two grants from the state and have not received them due to our small and sparse population. Weve met with wireless vendors but not found one who can provide service for more than a small percentage of those who want it. Some folks have ventured on their own to get a satellite connection. Yet FairPoint says verbally it will offer good service for all of us.
Please help by sending an email or letter to the Public Service Board urging approval of FairPoints purchase of Verizons land lines so that you can receive broadband service. You can do it now by using this link: psb.clerk@state.vt.us
Thank you,
Mary McCoy Windham Broadband Project | |
|  |  | | Re: Fairpoint Seems to be commited in Vermont to gain aproval You need to wake up Mary.....look at Fairpoints previous record of broken promises. I am sure rural Vermont needs broadband, but getting it through Fairpoint will be a major mistake. You need to go to the Fairpoint site and look at there pricing for there DSL...$34.95 for 384K...how about $79.95 for 1.5 Mbps service...sounds real cheap huh. You might wanna stick it out with Verizon and maybe have a chance to get $14.99 for 768K. If you wait for underfunded Fairpoint to come through on there promise you might be waiting awhile.
www.verizonvsfairpoint.com for the real truth! | |
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| Rural my behind: I still don't get why Verizon cannot keep southern New Hampshire and sell off northern New Hampshire. Most of southern New Hampshire has FIOS or can be upgraded quickly. Plus I live in southern New Hampshire and I'm going to tell you that if Verizon cannot make a profit in this area they are the worst run company I've ever seen in my life. Almost all of the states residents live in southern New Hampshire and this area is "not" even close to rural.
I'm not in support of this deal with Fairport because I believe without a doubt that Verizon isn't telling the truth about why they are getting out of this area along with Fairpoint not being big enough to keep even 10% of the promises they have said thus far. This deal would be a huge step back for southern New Hampshire from my point of view because again we aren't fricking rural. That is like saying because some parts of Florida are rural that makes Clearwater rural and it just doesn't work that way.
If I had my choice I would rather see Verizon be required to provide upfront money to allow Fairport upgrade "just" southern New Hampshire to fiber. Quite a bit of the area has been fully or at least partly wired. I also believe that state of New Hampshire should have control of that money to make sure that Fairpoint spends that money on line upgrades to fiber and nothing else. If Fairpoint after one year "fails" to meet the requirements with regards to service and upgrades the state itself would take 100% control of the area. Once this happens that state can seek out other bigger companies who would gain a fairly cheap entry into a fiber market and trust me that won't be hard. Heck I could see a company like DirecTV considering this because it could afford them a triple play bundle with a very low cost investment compared to say a Clearwire expansion into southern New Hampshire.
The State of New Hampshire should be acting in the best interests of its residents and right now I cannot believe they would think Fairpoint would be in the best interests of the states residents at least without any fall backs for poor service like I said above. At least with a fall back to state control we are protected but hey if Fairpoint provides very good service and upgrades the lines to fiber as required I'll be very happy with that. But the minute they start falling off they must improve or lose control to the state. Hey if no company can make a profit as Verizon so well says (Verizon is one of the big boys too) "and" we are so rural as both Verizon and Fairpoint have said than I think this falls exactly in line with what a state is for. States offer internet service etc for cities that are rural and hard to profit so its not uncommon at all. | |
|  |  Sammer join:2005-12-22 Canonsburg, PA | Re: Rural my behind: said by LonghornXP:I still don't get why Verizon cannot keep southern New Hampshire and sell off northern New Hampshire. There are two reasons. The first is that Verizon has tried to sell off rural areas in other states and found that state utility commissions are almost always against such obvious "cherry picking" within a state. The second is that the value of the remaining network in the three states would be much less without the most profitable part, southern New Hampshire. | |
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Sale or not, Verizon isn't going to be installing FIOS in the rest of NH for MANY years. Verizon stopping installing FIOS in southern NH long ago and will not start back up if the sale falls through.
"Most" of southern NH does NOT have FIOS. Many towns that are claimed to have FIOS seem to only have small areas where FIOS is available. Even without this Fairpoint talk, non-rural Manchester wouldn't be on the Verizon schedule for FIOS deployment.
I live in Manchester and don't qualify for DSL. There is no FIOS. Without Comcast (who I am not happy writing a check to), I'd be screwed.
Is Fairpoint is a great solution? Probably not. Is Verizon going to solve the access issues in NH if they stay? Definately not!
What really needs to occur is that the cable plant monopoly owners need to be forced to get out of competing with their wholesale customers and become strictly facilities providers. | |
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