2008 Will Be The Year of Powerline BroadbandJust kidding.... ( old news - 03:00PM Friday Sep 21 2007) tags: business · hardware · alternatives · BPLBroadband over powerlines has so far been a dud in the United States. A major reason for that has been the technology's interference potential. We've seen some degree of improvement on this front the last few years as some companies work closely with engineers to minimize the technology's wireless impact. Still, it's hard to see the technology ever being more than a niche solution. In the UK, the OPERA consortium has brought together some 26 company reps and academics from eleven countries to try to solve the inherent problems with BPL. With a budget of €29 million, the outfit started their research in 2004 and soon had a 45Mbps BPL system -- that didn't work very well. Those involved now insist they've got the kinks worked out: The new system is currently on test at three sites in Spain, Portugal and Austria. Its bandwidth of 200 Mbit/s can be shared by several hundred consumers, to create an economical broadband service, or fewer people when higher speeds are needed. The local equipment is easily installed by power company technicians: a repeater at the electrical substation, smaller repeaters in apartment and office blocks, and a small modem-like box for each customer. Of course, solving interference isn't the technology's only hurdle. Another major reason for BPL's limited deployment is that utilities aren't exactly thrilled with the ROI involved in going to battle as a new competitor against incumbent cable and phone companies. Still, you have to give credit to the industry for selling its technology wherever and whenever possible.
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S_engineer
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| Re: Potential ?? I Think I Hear The interference Already.... "utilities aren't exactly thrilled "....that's an understatement. I could only imagine the grief in trying to get a knowledgeable BPL CSR from ComEd.
Does that then mean that they would bundle prices with the amount of electricity used?
Or ask you to keep internet usage down on hot days?
Oh..the possibilities!
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ARGONAUT
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New Albany, IN | Re: Potential ?? I Think I Hear The Interference Already.... BPL is DOA.  | |
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| Let it die... Please let this piece of vaporware crap die...please...it makes HAMS cry. It also makes bricks of shortwave radios for any shortwave radio fans. BPL is not a solution for last mile. Suck it up and lay the fiber. Once its laid thats it...just maintenance. Or use wireless...real licensed wireless...like a WISP or WiMax(not clearwire). | |
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| Re: Let it die... Yeah, and not some half-assed "white space" interference generator, either. The only way white space can work is licensed frequencies by location. And then it's not really white space any more ...
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| Re: Let it die... said by yj4x4  :Awwww...makes them cry, that's too bad....so the Hams will have to buy filters, just like I had to because the local ham was walking all over my tv and phone. Most current Ham equipment is commercially produced, meets stringent FCC requirements, and operates perfectly legal with a licensed Ham at the controls.
I don't need no stinking filters, but I use a good LPF anyway.
Maybe you need to buy a better made TV and Phone next time??
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| said by yj4x4 :Awwww...makes them cry, that's too bad....so the Hams will have to buy filters, just like I had to because the local ham was walking all over my tv and phone. And your vehicle makes the Sierra Club cry.  | |
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| said by yj4x4 :Awwww...makes them cry, that's too bad....so the Hams will have to buy filters, just like I had to because the local ham was walking all over my tv and phone. If you read Part 15, it says that the device MUST accept any
interference. Have you contacted the ham? Told him what was
going on? Hams are quite proud of their stations and usually
strive to resolve interference complaints.
I've heard of people really being rude to a ham operator
and the ham operator still helped regardless.
I've also heard of people going to a ham's house where the
coax is still coiled up, and accusing the ham of TVI.
Try being a good neighbor, you may be surprised by the results.
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n2jtx
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| I Thought... 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 was the year of powerline broadband. I guess I'll have to go back into the BBR archives and look for the previous postings. I am pretty sure I wrote the same thing last year pertaining to 2007 and will again write the same thing for 2009.
They really need to drive a stake through the heart of this beast already and move on to WiFi, WiMax, EVDO, HSDPA, etc...
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prestonlewis
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Sacramento, CA | Anything! Anything to have a viable alternative to Comcast HSI. Here in my city, AT&T DSL has a very, very low penetration rate so we really have no competition at all. | |
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| Re: Anything! said by prestonlewis :Anything to have a viable alternative to Comcast HSI. Here in my city, AT&T DSL has a very, very low penetration rate so we really have no competition at all. This ain't it.
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| plattypus1
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| Goodbye and good riddens! I've heard rumors of testing in this area, but they've largely evaporated. That's the way it should be. BPL pollution can leave if it likes, and it won't be missed.
To any hams who have to deal with this stuff, I still say, 1.5KW amps and long ragchews. Point the beam at your nearest BPL repeater and call CQ for a while. 73 DE AE6YD. | |
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| Re: Goodbye and good riddens! said by plattypus1 :I've heard rumors of testing in this area, but they've largely evaporated. That's the way it should be. BPL pollution can leave if it likes, and it won't be missed. To any hams who have to deal with this stuff, I still say, 1.5KW amps and long ragchews. Point the beam at your nearest BPL repeater and call CQ for a while. 73 DE AE6YD. Unfortunately, I run in emergency mode - portable antenna, a 53 AH battery, and a FT897D. BPL would kill my operation and my puny signal would not affect it one bit.
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lsj
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| mantion
join:2006-07-03
Suwanee, GA
| We need to take back what is our An ultra small group of hobbyist have take a valuable resource, and now they won't give it back. These frequencies are increasingly more important. Yet we let a few people have them and fight with countless lawsuits and misinformation champaign. This is like a few individuals that want the right o have a pick-nick in the middle of a free way. I am sorry if you will have to find a new hobby and try something new. Keep the ham radios for emergencies if you want and keep using them as far as they don't interfere with my right to have BPL.
It is time we stood up and held a rally to take back what belongs to the people not some meaningless fringe group. I am sick of having to choose between phone and cable companies with complex over priced plans and terrible customer support. I want my BPL and I wanted it a decade ago. This is crazy I figured the Bush administration would put an end to Ham Radio. This is such a joke.. These ham radio users are stealing from every American who are kept from a simpler, better and cheaper alternative to DSL and Cable.
Enough is enough, lets have a march on Washington already and end ham radio for good. I long for the day when our laptops and computers only need to be plugged in to be on the net. Our homes would be instantly networked. Our private information wouldn't have to pass through the air. all our appliances could be connected, we could easily automate our entire house. It would be a huge improvement in quality of living and decreased costs of operation. Why run new fiber or cable or set up complex wi-max grids, when anyone with electricity can be on the web. I think ham radio users should have to get a license, and to do so they need to turn in their drivers license. Then they would have to walk everywhere or ride a bike. Why should they be allowed to use a technological advancement like an automobile but stand in the way of BPL.
Nuff said, let's take back what belongs to us not a bunch of selfish, spoiled brats with no concern for anyone but themselves.
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| | kens
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| Re: We need to take back what is our How do you "take back" what was never yours in the first place? Sadly, your rant is typical of the Internet and it's never-ending factoids. Do a little research before you speak.
Your statement that "ham radio users should have to be licensed" is like saying bread should be made of flour. Hams are tested and licensed by the FCC., and have been since the dawn of radio communications. In fact, the purpose of this licensing and allocation of the spectrum was intended to foster growth and understanding in the area of wireless communications.
Your statement "Keep the ham radios for emergencies if you want and keep using them as far as they don't interfere with my right to have BPL." is mind boggling.
For starters, you don't have a "Right" to have BPL. Rights are generally granted, given or bestowed. And once given can NEVER be taken away. So who granted you this stated "Right"? With such a "Right", you should be able to successfully plead your case to the Supreme Court and win.
It's prudent of you to allow us to retain our radio stations to serve you and society in the event of an emergency. As we are able to communicate world-wide in the event of a total power outage, provided our generators stay online. Unfortunately, any active BPL power lines might render HF emergency radio communications useless.
Hams are granted a very very small allocation of the HF spectrum. The vast majority of the spectrum is utilized by for Military, NATO, Global and Maritime communications. You see, HF characteristics are such that the frequencies within that spectrum lend themselves well to Global Communications. It's Radio Theory and I don't expect you to understand. So let me just say that the HF Spectrum is vital to World Communications. It's not just about a bunch of Hams.
Having been involved in military communications, I know that HF is the only survivable means of global and national emergency communications. Satellite Communications are vulnerable in a time of war between superpowers. Frequencies in and above VHF don't have the global reach of those in the HF Spectrum. Hence, any device that would imped the use of HF as a Global Telecommunication means is foolhardy.
The prospects of BPL were promising. However, like many modern day drugs and the past wide use of Mercury., the side-effects of BPL have rendered it impractical.
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