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| Re: To go please ... This is why America is not the place to be if you need bandwidth to push around. But, then again, I am sure much of the desired content is in English. It's a catch 22. I bet the government monitors their traffic more heavily than the USA does our own.
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| Re: To go please ... Actually the gov. doesn't really interfere too much as you might be led think. Hong Kong is an SAR (Special Administrative Region) of China as still has almost of the same freedoms it had under British colonial rule.
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| Hilarious ignorance from a country where major telcos, ISPs, and web sites almost routinely hand over information to your government to "fight terrorist"!
While many Hong Kong people are probably also accessing English content, the writer has clearly not seen the blogging activity in a typical internet cafe in China lately. Unfortunately, many Hong Kong Chinese cannot read simplified Chinese and anyway prefer more serious news and information sources from Hong Kong, Singapore, UK, and the US anyways. | |
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The bear formerly known as aaron8301
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Shoot to kill
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| Re: I want to live in Hong Kong Re: I want to live in Hong Kong
100 Mbps service is on its way here to Toledo much sooner than many folks are aware of...
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Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
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Davenport, FL
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| said by nasadude  :don't worry, we'll probably (maybe) have those speeds in 10 or 15 years. Now you're just being too kind (or apologetical) to the nature of these ISP companies.
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| said by LaZ3R :End of story... 100MBPS SYMMETRICAL? That's an orgasmic speed for us North American's . We're lucky if 10Mbps is even in the area, and often it much more than $48.50/mo (6Mbps in my area is $49/mo). Plus it's pretty much impossible to get an upstream higher than 786Kbps in North America.
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Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
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| 100mps symettrical to what? The ISP? Talking about speeds like this are stupid, because no one on this has 100mbps to the Internet. So it goes 100mbps up to the ISP, who then squeaks out maybe 30Mbps to the Internet. Big whoopie. The only people this will help are the local DVD pirates in hong kong.
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Although speeds like this will probabily only help for multiple conncurrent downloads. | |
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Intocable
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1 edit | another good thread to bash the U.S.A why dont we in america get this speeds?. how come the hong kongers, koreans and the swedes get it. is it THE AMERICAN GREED? | |
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Here | Re: another good thread to bash the U.S.A You don't have those speeds because you don't want to pay what it would cost to get them HERE.
Next BBR can post the price of oil in Saudi Arabia and how it's awful that we can't get nickel/gallon gas here. | |
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| Re: another good thread to bash the U.S.A Get the hell out, Oil is more available over there because it is underneath their soil. Bandwidth is limited by hardware technology, which America has the same technology available for the same price. ISP's don't want the internet to be that accessible and easily shared. | |
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Here
| Re: another good thread to bash the U.S.A We don't have fiber strung literally between every block as they do. Our population density and civil design is vastly different. That's why it costs more here.
Go one and buy a couple Cisco routers and set up your ISP. You'll find out exactly how much it costs and the idea that it's a conspiracy to keep people off the net is as absurd as it sounds. | |
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Carbon Based Lifeform
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Are We There Yet?
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| Look where we are talking about. Relatively small countries and only in the cities in these countries. When you don't have to wire half the freakin world it's easy to do. Also most of these people live in MDU anyway so that makes it 100's of times easier to deploy than here in the US where most are Single Family units.
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join:2007-08-13
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| Re: another good thread to bash the U.S.A said by VegasMan :Look where we are talking about. Relatively small countries and only in the cities in these countries. When you don't have to wire half the freakin world it's easy to do. Also most of these people live in MDU anyway so that makes it 100's of times easier to deploy than here in the US where most are Single Family units. Agree! Not to mention the cost of labor in these Asian locations. They are able to build these networks using labor that is probably pennies on the dollar. Anyone who knows anything about construction knows that the labor costs far exceed the cost of materials. | |
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join:2002-03-26
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| Re: another good thread to bash the U.S.A said by tglea :Anyone who knows anything about construction knows that the labor costs far exceed the cost of materials. And anyone who knows anything about maintaining large networks knows the cost of acquisition is trivial compared to the TCO over time.
Bottom line is, we're not offered 100 Mbps because providers know "they don't have to".
We kick and scream about speeds, point our fingers at how the rest of the world is eating our broadband shorts, then we shut up and pay the $49 for sub-10M service each month.
If there was a large-scale movement in America where internet users went "on strike", cancelling their DSL and cable-internet services by the millions and going back to dialup until we were offered 50 Mbps symmetrical for $49/mo., I would absolutely participate.
But I know that will never happen. We've become a society that will bitterly complain about being fed sewage, yet happily swallow it rather than fighting it.
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join:2006-01-10
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| said by tglea :Agree! Not to mention the cost of labor in these Asian locations. They are able to build these networks using labor that is probably pennies on the dollar. Anyone who knows anything about construction knows that the labor costs far exceed the cost of materials. Even though in Hong Kong, wages are actually often HIGHER than their equivalents in America...?? | |
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| said by VegasMan :Look where we are talking about. Relatively small countries and only in the cities in these countries. When you don't have to wire half the freakin world it's easy to do. Also most of these people live in MDU anyway so that makes it 100's of times easier to deploy than here in the US where most are Single Family units. That is no excuse why this kinda speed is NOT available in the biggest 50 cities in America. We keep falling farther and farther behind
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as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
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| said by LiberalKing :why dont we in america get this speeds?. how come the hong kongers, koreans and the swedes get it. is it THE AMERICAN GREED? BINGO!
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join:2004-04-05
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| said by LiberalKing :why dont we in america get this speeds?. how come the hong kongers, koreans and the swedes get it. is it THE AMERICAN GREED? YES | |
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@cushing.org
| I can't believe what you've just said. The only reason that Hong Kong has these speeds is because of that "evil" greed. People in search of a profit have to compete. In the USA a lot of government sanctioned monopolies exist which limit competition (competition of a race for money IE GREED). Hong Kong is one of the most economically free places in the world. Its not American companies greed that keeps our speed low, its government protectionism.
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53059959
Temp banned from BBR more then anyone
join:2002-10-02
PwnZone | Re: Nice no...? from the usa its a good 300ms away, thats just due to the raw speed of light limitation.
100mbps is great but all your content will be in chinese. if you try to download something from the usa it will crawl at 6mbps. | |
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| Re: Nice said by 53059959 :no...? from the usa its a good 300ms away, thats just due to the raw speed of light limitation. 100mbps is great but all your content will be in chinese. if you try to download something from the usa it will crawl at 6mbps. Equatorial Circumference of Earth: 40,075.02 km
Maximum possible distance to travel between two points on Earth (using most direct path): 40,075.02 km / 2 = 20,037.52 km.
Velocity of light in a vacuum: 3.00 * 10^8 m/s
Time for light to travel half way around the world:
Disatnce / Velocity = (2.00 * 10^4) / (3.00 * 10^8) = (6.667 * 10 ^ -5) = 0.067 ms
Therefore USA to Hong Kong, if points were positioned exactly half-way around the globe, the maximum time it would take (through "raw speed of light limitation") would be 0.067 ms...*not* 300ms.
Yes, there would be a greater lag than 0.067ms; however this is not due to the speed of light. Much of the lag would be accumulated within servers, switches and relays; also, signals traveling through copper travel substantially slower than the speed of light. Therefore, if any part of the journey were made on a non-fiber connection, this could help accumulate more lag.
Anyway, the "raw speed of light" limitation would only cause a lag of 0.067 ms. Light travels really quickly. Think a little harder the next time you want to dis' the blazingly fast speed of light. | |
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| Re: Nice You say speed of light in a vacuum...genius, fiber isn't a vacuum, it travels at 75% the speed as it would in a vacuum (I believe, it's closer to that). There _IS_ 70ms of latency across the US over fiber, there's no way to get around it. So your .067ms or whatever from HK is crap | |
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@cogentco.com
| Re: Nice Actually I believe that it is slightly lower than 75%. Given a working number of 70% (a conservative estimate) we get a time of 9.54167619 × 10^-5 s. But another limiting factor being overlooked is that light in a fiber cable does not travel in a straight line. The principle that allows a fiber cable to work is TIR, which means that the light must be constantly reflecting off of the walls of the inner cable in the fiber (there are two concentric wires with different indices of refraction), which in turn means more lag, though it is still absurdly small. | |
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Magna, UT | Re: Nice Not to mention the additional latency issues inherent to connecting hardware and servers. | |
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Dagda1175
join:2001-06-17
Goleta, CA | Trade off ....i'd rather not live in such population density! | |
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join:2006-06-23
Dallas, GA | DAMN AT&T well Verizon will be the first to offer these speeds to residential residents here in the US. DAMN AT&T, "who would need that kind of speed" BS crap. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Re: DAMN AT&T said by joker5656 :well Verizon will be the first to offer these speeds to residential residents here in the US. DAMN AT&T, "who would need that kind of speed" BS crap. Verizon is even being cheap with the upload(to protect their LUCRATIVE biz service)
there are a few companies offering symmetrical service to some small areas but the caps are so prohibitive e.g. surewest and their 30gb/mo fibre.
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Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Trade off I agree.. having 1Gbps is nice, however, I don't think I'd want to live in Hong Kong.
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no anal retentive industry lawsuits from XXAA!! | |
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Fur It Up
join:2007-06-22
Portland, OR
·Comcast
| Same old Story With US broadband rates slowing I do not see the expenditures required to bring even a small portion American brodband users to 100Mbs to be prudent use of resources. We need to concentrate in making brodbad efficient via the market place rather than 100Mbs show pieces. | |
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San Ramon, CA | HK, I'll pass I'd rather kill myself then live in commie china. | |
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join:2004-09-07
Brooklyn, NY | Re: Droool.... The us has that but there slow to roll it out money talks here. | |
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ninjatutle
Premium
join:2006-01-02
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DataDoc
My avatar looks like me, if I was 2D.
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join:2000-05-14
Greenville, NC | Re: Droool.... That was a put up job done for the camera. | |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| Santa Clara, CA 100 Symmetrical is available - $145
For that matter, gigabit is available too! $395
But, seeing as the only "major" ISP that is pushing any sort of fiber to anywhere other than a new subdivision... best that we can hope to see is what? 30/5? 
Someone needs to stepup.
Any of the metro areas that exist here in The States should be kicking ass!
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Premium,MVM
join:2004-10-12
Parker, CO
·Comcast Workplace
·Comcast
| Re: Santa Clara, CA said by dadkins :100 Symmetrical is available - $145 For that matter, gigabit is available too! $395 I would be even willing to pay $145/month for symmetrical 100Mbps fiber.... | |
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wedgedkitty
join:2006-01-10
Quincy, MA
| Cheap Broadband No surprise here. Broadband is ridiculously cheap in HK (can't remember the rate our friends told us they paid per month, but it was a fraction of the cost of what I pay in the US). I remember also walking into internet cafes where the going rate was HKD$10 per hour, which is less than USD$1.50 per hour - by far the cheapest I've seen anywhere I've traveled. | |
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kd6cae
P2p Shouldn't Be A Crime
join:2001-08-27
Lancaster, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
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| heck, I'll take 25Mbps symmetrical Wow that's impressive. Hong Kong's slowest tier is 25Mbit/sec symmetrical, here in America many of us would kill even to have that! And that's what bother's me. I for example live just a block from the university of California Riverside, where they have I believe it's an OC-192 internet link, yet all I'm able to get is a maximum of 10/1 here? Why is America so crazy about connections being asymmetrical if you're a consumer? What's wrong with having say a 6000/6000 tier? Sure one day we'll have 100mbps, but our upload will be 1mbps, lol. | |
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as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Re: heck, I'll take 25Mbps symmetrical said by kd6cae :Sure one day we'll have 100mbps, but our upload will be 1mbps, lol. Thats only if you have the top tier package, else it'll be 256kbps.
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WutanG
Premium
join:2001-12-12
Seaford, DE
clubs:
| caps? i ask though,is there any caps? maybe people there don't saturate their connections 24/7 with torrent out the ass.So thats not a relevent question.I'm pretty sure that what us Americans would do with that..and that is why we don't have it yet lol My opinion anyway YMMV | |
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join:2004-01-30
Portland, OR
| Re: caps? said by WutanG :i ask though,is there any caps? maybe people there don't saturate their connections 24/7 with torrent out the ass.So thats not a relevent question.I'm pretty sure that what us Americans would do with that..and that is why we don't have it yet lol My opinion anyway YMMV Actually, if you browse the IRC channels these days, most of the illegal content is handled via these 100Mbit oversea's connections and believe me, they have stats that show they're in the terabyte range for bandwidth used. I don't believe they have anykind of caps in place.
Also as its already been stated. They are able to deploy this mainly because of their living arrangements. I'd rather live in my house with my 12Mb/1Mb connection then live in an apartment complex with 1000+ tenants and a quarter of the space. | |
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Premium
join:2007-06-17
Glen Carbon, IL
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|  Hmm...
What I, indeed, have to wonder are a few things:
- Artificial Caps. What are the numbers, if any? This isn't to be confused with technical limits, like a T1 really can only transfer 487GB in a month (full saturation 24/7).
- Reliability. How reliable is such a connection? If it's down half the time then I don't care how fast it is.
- Contracts. What it says. Annual contracts, or month-to-month?
- Equipment. Can you get the equipment when you sign up, or do you have to buy your own? If the latter, what does the equipment cost?
- Availability. Can anyone with the money get this? Or are there geographical limits? For example, FIOS sounds cool, and the rates would even be affordable for me. But I don't care, because I can't get it. The only alternative for similar speed service would be a T3 line, although at least I'd get an awesome SLA.
NOTE: I did read the article. It talks about Hong Kong. What I mean is, can anyone there get the service?
- Restrictions. Are there limits to what you can do? Can I attach a Linux box, make it into an FTP server, and start sharing files? Can I run a website from said box?
- Government Intervention. What did the government do, if anything? I don't buy the argument "But it's a smaller foot-print." The reason I don't is because then all the major metro areas in this country would have such services available. It's why rural areas were the last to get phone service back in the day, and why people even as late as the 1940s used outhouses, again in rural areas.
There's a lot more to an Internet connection than simply speed and the monthly spend.
As far as rural areas, sometimes I wonder if there's any hope. I'm hoping fiber will be the answer, because I remember from a class I took once that the fiber itself is a cheap medium, although the connectors and equipment aren't so cheap. And that fiber can also cover longer distances. It's not like plumbing, where even to this day houses in the middle of nowhere aren't attached to city-wide plumbing. At least alternatives such as water-pumps/wells and septic tanks exist. With Internet access, there's no way around the "line," and the fact it needs to be built out there. | |
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@rr.com | Not reality HKBN is not widely available in HK... Most are still using Cable from i-cable or PCCW's DSL product. Be sure to put the usual BBR spin on it. | |
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inspiration reality
Premium
join:2004-03-30
North York, ON
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| Re: Not reality said by LarryTerse :
HKBN is not widely available in HK... Most are still using Cable from i-cable or PCCW's DSL product. Be sure to put the usual BBR spin on it.
Availability's getting there. It's a hell of a lot faster than PCCW's 3Mbps or 6Mbps DSL offerings. Just became available in my HK home, looking to switch to it soon: the promo they have includes free TV for the duration of the term.
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Just-
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join:2004-05-14
BH9 2RJ | International connection 20Mbps/20Mbps the high speed fiber connection its just to your isp and fellow members of your isp, 100 or 200 or any other package is capped at 20Mbps up and down to the internet | |
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join:2002-11-23
Everett, WA | Re: International connection 20Mbps/20Mbps I can live with that! | |
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join:2005-04-24
Woodstock, GA | Re: International connection 20Mbps/20Mbps I am moving to Hong Kong!!! | |
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DonPedro
join:2005-11-18
dominican re | If you prefer French cooking instead chinese food . 100Mbps download /50 Mbps Up $41 per months including free phone call to USA , europe , China and 14 countries... | |
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join:2001-02-22
Kennesaw, GA | Re: If you prefer French cooking instead chinese food . Why buy more hd when dvd media can be had for a lot cheaper? | |
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