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join:2000-08-21 Glen Burnie, MD | O.k. all liberals..... .....explain how it is all Bush's fault now that the Democrats want to tax the internet. | |
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| Re: O.k. all liberals..... Uh, because Bush grew gov't more in the first 4 years of his administration than Clinton did in 8 with record deficit spending.
Bush never saw a spending bill he didn't like and someone, sometime has to pay the bill for Bush's massive gov't expansion.
You would call liberals tax and spenders.
I guess that would make Bush a spend and spender. | |
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| Re: O.k. all liberals..... said by Spendandspender :
Bush never saw a spending bill he didn't like and someone, sometime has to pay the bill for Bush's massive gov't expansion. Democrats have had congress for a couple of years now. What spending cutbacks have they made? -- What's certain about Darwinism is that it would take less time for (1) a single-celled organism to evolve into a human being through mutation and natural selection than for (2) Darwinists to admit they have no proof of (1) - Ann Coulter | |
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join:2005-11-29 Mcdonough, GA | Re: O.k. all liberals..... They increased the minimum wage!! Oh wait, I got nothing. | |
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| Re: O.k. all liberals..... said by imanogre :They increased the minimum wage!! Oh wait, I got nothing. Of course that doesn't help those making that wage at all, as the end result is less jobs at minimum wage.
If it was up to me, I would make money earned at minimum wage exempt from all withholding whatsoever. That would provide an immediate wage boost to minimum wage earners without screwing over those who employ them. -- Only SHATNER is Kirk. | |
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| Re: O.k. all liberals..... said by pnh102 :If it was up to me, I would make money earned at minimum wage exempt from all withholding whatsoever. That would provide an immediate wage boost to minimum wage earners without screwing over those who employ them. What would be the incentive to pay people more? | |
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| Re: O.k. all liberals..... said by moonpuppy :What would be the incentive to pay people more? There is no incentive. Which is why every minimum wage hike results in the loss of jobs which pay at that level. However, removing withholding doesn't cost an employer anything, and it puts more money into a worker's pocket immediately. -- Only SHATNER is Kirk. | |
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| Re: O.k. all liberals..... said by pnh102 :There is no incentive. Which is why every minimum wage hike results in the loss of jobs which pay at that level. However, removing withholding doesn't cost an employer anything, and it puts more money into a worker's pocket immediately. Does that worker still owe taxes? My guess that they would in many cases but I doubt many would save for taxes. | |
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| Re: O.k. all liberals..... said by moonpuppy :Does that worker still owe taxes? My guess that they would in many cases but I doubt many would save for taxes. I don't think any wages earned at minimum wage should be subject to any taxes. Just make the first (whatever the hourly minimum wage is) * 8 hours * 5 days * 52 weeks of money completely untaxed for everyone. -- Only SHATNER is Kirk. | |
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| said by pnh102 :said by moonpuppy :Does that worker still owe taxes? My guess that they would in many cases but I doubt many would save for taxes. I don't think any wages earned at minimum wage should be subject to any taxes. Just make the first (whatever the hourly minimum wage is) * 8 hours * 5 days * 52 weeks of money completely untaxed for everyone. Here is my point.
If it costs less for an employer to pay minimum wage and not do withholding, what incentive does that employer have to raise the salary of a good worker IF it will cost him more? | |
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| Sure you did. You get less stuff for your money now because you're money is worth less. Isn't that great! Oh, and if you're one of the really lucky people, you lost your job because some businesses couldn't afford to pay everyone making that wage more money! Yay!!! Happy Day! Hell lets make minimum wage $20/hour so everyone can be in the poor house except the hyper rich such as Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, and Barak Obama while we listen to them tell everyone they "know the plight of the poor"! LOL | |
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...I guess that would make Bush a spend and spender. You mean borrower and spender... | |
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| said by Spendandspender :
Uh, because Bush grew gov't more in the first 4 years of his administration than Clinton did in 8 with record deficit spending.
Bush never saw a spending bill he didn't like and someone, sometime has to pay the bill for Bush's massive gov't expansion.
You would call liberals tax and spenders.
I guess that would make Bush a spend and spender. But that still doesn't explain the reason to tax the internet. Taxes on the internet should be used to make the internet better, not to pay for something else. Gas taxes need to be spent on transportation, cigarette taxes on health care, etc. | |
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| Re: O.k. all liberals..... I would argue that tobacco taxes should be spent on getting people to stop using tobacco.
There is something very wrong when you turn a 'vice' or 'sin' into a revenue stream since your supposed goal is stopping that sin/vice. When it is a revenue stream, the government has an interest in seeing more people with that vice instead of less.
100% of all sin taxes should go to stopping that 'sin'. No more sin, no more tax, and nothing loses on a budget if that money dries up. | |
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| Re: O.k. all liberals..... said by justaguy :
I would argue that tobacco taxes should be spent on getting people to stop using tobacco.
There is something very wrong when you turn a 'vice' or 'sin' into a revenue stream since your supposed goal is stopping that sin/vice. When it is a revenue stream, the government has an interest in seeing more people with that vice instead of less.
100% of all sin taxes should go to stopping that 'sin'. No more sin, no more tax, and nothing loses on a budget if that money dries up. Why tax it when you can ban it?
If smoking is so bad, then why not ban it? Instead liberals use it as an excuse to get more money out of the public.
Alcohol kills when people drink and drive. Why not ban it? Nope, need money for other stuff and they can't raise income taxes without being voted out of office.
It's funny that the same morons in California want to ban smoking but want to make marijuana legal.  | |
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| Re: Dems don't like to foreclose on future taxes said by TKJunkMail :But that has run headlong in to another Democratic tradition - more taxes. Exactly. Its the same reason that they would let all of the Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 expire.
They've already tried to raise taxes on oil companies, impose a "war tax" and other such nonsense. When will it all end? -- Only SHATNER is Kirk. | |
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join:2006-11-21 Saint Louis, MO | Re: Dems don't like to foreclose on future taxes It wont unfortunately. Imagine if that crackpot Hillary gets elected. Shes already got billions and billions of dollars in government programs planned and we get to pick up the bill. | |
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| Re: Dems don't like to foreclose on future taxes said by ender7074 :Shes already got billions and billions of dollars in government programs planned and we get to pick up the bill. I'm more worried about Mrs. Bill Clinton having free reign with a Democrat Congress. They've tried bringing back from the dead so many bad ideas... gun control, tax hikes, censorship, socialist healthcare, more welfare... that frightens me. -- Only SHATNER is Kirk. | |
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| Re: Dems don't like to foreclose on future taxes said by pnh102 :said by ender7074 :Shes already got billions and billions of dollars in government programs planned and we get to pick up the bill. I'm more worried about Mrs. Bill Clinton having free reign with a Democrat Congress. They've tried bringing back from the dead so many bad ideas... gun control, tax hikes, censorship, socialist healthcare, more welfare... that frightens me. Yah its enough to lose sleep at night, thats for sure. Well, if it does happen, God help us, most people won't stand for living in the Socialist States of America for very long.... I hope... | |
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| the biggest issue with new taxes is they never ever goto what they political goons say it will. if the states claimed new internet access taxes would goto funding broadband for everyone it would just end up in the general fund in a year or two funding wasteful projects that never seem to benifit anyone. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
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| said by TKJunkMail :The Democrats like to consider themselves the high tech & internet supporters in the Congress. But that has run headlong in to another Democratic tradition - more taxes. Not that I want to support either party since I am an independent but at least the Democrats have the guts to face the need to raise taxes. Not like the Republicans who were more than happy to spend like drunk sailors and then skip out on the bill. Who is going to get stuck paying off the $9.5 trillion dollar debt we are saddled with? Stand in front of a mirror and hold your children. You will have your answer. -- I support the right to keep and arm bears. | |
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| Re: Dems don't like to foreclose on future taxes said by n2jtx :Not that I want to support either party since I am an independent but at least the Democrats have the guts to face the need to raise taxes. Maybe if the Democrats had a little more fiscal discipline and not felt the need to create a "nanny" state, then there wouldn't be a need to constantly raise taxes. | |
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| Re: Dems don't like to foreclose on future taxes Yeah, it's the Democrats that need fiscal discipline. That's like Charles Manson walking up to Jeffrey Dahmer and saying "you know, you need to show more restraint and quit killing people".
The current administration has taken out more loans in your name to create a police state, as well as added a tens of billions of dollars in unfunded entitlement programs (Medicare prescription coverage for seniors). Who really is creating the nanny state? 9/11 has been used as a catch-all excuse for massive increases in the scope and funding of government. | |
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| Re: Dems don't like to foreclose on future taxes said by clickie :Yeah, it's the Democrats that need fiscal discipline. ... The current administration has taken out more loans in your name to create a police state, as well as added a tens of billions of dollars in unfunded entitlement programs (Medicare prescription coverage for seniors). If these are so wrong, then why doesn't the Democrat party lead by example and then pare these programs back? -- Only SHATNER is Kirk. | |
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| said by clickie :Yeah, it's the Democrats that need fiscal discipline. That's like Charles Manson walking up to Jeffrey Dahmer and saying "you know, you need to show more restraint and quit killing people". The current administration has taken out more loans in your name to create a police state, as well as added a tens of billions of dollars in unfunded entitlement programs (Medicare prescription coverage for seniors). Who really is creating the nanny state? 9/11 has been used as a catch-all excuse for massive increases in the scope and funding of government. BWAHAHAHAHAH Police state? Thats so funny! Trust me, I have been to countries that are a police state and we are nowhere close. Not even in the ballpark, hell, its not even the same game. Try living in China for a year then come back and tell me how we live in a "Police State". More liberal drivel. | |
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| Re: Dems don't like to foreclose on future taxes said by ender7074 :BWAHAHAHAHAH Police state? Thats so funny! Trust me, I have been to countries that are a police state and we are nowhere close. Not even in the ballpark, hell, its not even the same game. Try living in China for a year then come back and tell me how we live in a "Police State". More liberal drivel. Which country is it where you're told to not to run your mouth in an airport lest the cops take you in the back and strangle you? Sorry, don't think it's China. | |
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| Re: Dems don't like to foreclose on future taxes Riiiiight. She was strangled by the cops. Riiiiiiiight. Ive seen the video Jack and she deserved to be arrested. She was acting completely psycho and violent in an airport. She wasnt running her mouth, she was screaming, running around, throwing herself onto the ground, resisting arrest, and was intoxicated. Any one of which will keep you off of a plane, let alone all of them. You really should get down off the liberal high horse on this one. The woman was stupid and accidentally strangled herself trying to escape from her restraints. Oh and since you seem to think that its so much better in China, tell me the last time someone was shot in the head here for criticizing the government, oh and dont forget, the family gets the bill for the bullet. Typical liberal drivle again. | |
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1 edit | democrats are going more socialists, government support for everyone and i do mean everyone. Dem's don't want to raise taxes they are going to cuz they need people to fund the gov. and all the people it will be supporting. Dem's raise taxes just as well as Rep raise and neither does any good. what would be great about broadband tax? Nothing. it would be used for something else like SS was meant to sit in account by its self. | |
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| Re: Dems don't like to foreclose on future taxes said by joker5656 :democrats are going more socialists, government support for everyone and i do mean everyone. And republicans are socialist-lite. The past 6 years were the worst in terms of the growing of government. The sad part is the Democrat party wants to top that. -- Only SHATNER is Kirk. | |
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| Re: Dems don't like to foreclose on future taxes said by pnh102 :said by joker5656 :democrats are going more socialists, government support for everyone and i do mean everyone. And republicans are socialist-lite. The past 6 years were the worst in terms of the growing of government. The sad part is the Democrat party wants to top that. Can't argue that. I was very disappointed with the clowns that were in Congress the last several years the Republicans held the majority. They seemed to forget that they weren't there to tax and spend. The really bad part is that by tossing them out we get even more tax and spend clowns... | |
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| said by n2jtx :Not that I want to support either party since I am an independent but at least the Democrats have the guts to face the need to raise taxes. What need?
Low taxes have been irrefutably proven to bring in more tax revenue. The US Federal Government brings in more revenue each year than the last year. The only problem is it can't stop finding new things on which to spend money. -- Only SHATNER is Kirk. | |
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| Just what the heck is wrong with cutting taxes or cutting services?
Slash away at the "services" the government provides, or I guess I should say, I provide.
CUT, HACK, SLASH, & AX away.
As for the debt, I like what Dennis Miller said; "who do we owe this money to anyways? I say F'em. Its not like anyone pays us back......". | |
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join:2004-10-26 North Andover, MA | Re: Dems don't like to foreclose on future taxes Uhh, mostly to ourselves, and our pensions. Granted $2 trillion is in the hands of foreign governments, but it is definitely ourselves we'd be F'ing. | |
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| said by TKJunkMail :But that has run headlong in to another Democratic tradition - more taxes. Which is _almost_ as bad as the Republican party's habit of spending that the government doesn't have...
For Republicans to believe that their shit doesn't stink as bad as the Democrats is to buy into their own lie. -- Prove it... Save the Internet Time (NTP) service, use the pool. | |
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| Re: Dems don't like to foreclose on future taxes said by bmn :For Republicans to believe that their shit doesn't stink as bad as the Democrats is to buy into their own lie. When did we ever make the claim that deficit spending is good? -- Only SHATNER is Kirk. | |
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| Re: Dems don't like to foreclose on future taxes said by pnh102 :When did we ever make the claim that deficit spending is good? The party never had to say it... By doing it over and over again, it demonstrates that the Republican party has no problem doing it.
The parties can talk all they want about their "principals", but the fact is that their actions show how they really stand. -- Prove it... Save the Internet Time (NTP) service, use the pool. | |
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MY GOD Think of the CHILDREN!!!
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If we spent the money on the IT infra- instead of war, we would've have 100Mbps now. LOL! | |
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| saw this coming I have been saying this for the past ten years. Democrats in office will make an Internet tax. The funny part is, they are the ones that pretend to care, but all they are after is our money.
Watch the Democratic debates; they talk broadband for everyone, and how bad it is that not everyone in the US has it. Then after you have taken the bait, they spring the Internet tax on you.
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