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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs:
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| Yay ... Another buy out that will go through faster then the XM/Sirius merger.
We will see it go through before Bush leaves office I bet.
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
·Comcast
·Patriot Media
| Re: Yay ... said by BosstonesOwn  :Another buy out that will go through faster then the XM/Sirius merger. We will see it go through before Bush leaves office I bet.
I dont see the "pro business", if that were true Xm merger would have happened long ago. The XM is taking the longest then any other in a merger.
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Premium,ExMod 2003-06
join:2001-03-15
hiatus
| Re: Yay ... said by DaveNJ :I dont see the "pro business", if that were true Xm merger would have happened long ago. The XM is taking the longest then any other in a merger. With good reason... The merger would run afoul of the spectrum licenses that were granted to XM and Sirius. They need to work out how they can work around the fact that the licenses they both have explicitly prevent them from merging and taking the spectrum to one company.
If they can figure it out, it will probably go through.
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join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC | Re: Yay ... Haha pretty smart whoever wrote that provision. Or dumb for forgetting to leave a loophole? | |
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join:2007-07-18
Newport, KY
| The licenses DO NOT prevent one company from holding both SDARS licenses. It is an FCC rule (rule 25.118 to be exact) that was not a part of the license grant. It was a simple FCC vote to impose the rule, and it would be a simple FCC vote to drop the rule. The license itself does not limit who may hold it.
There is serious discussion about whether or not 25.118 even bars a single holder of both licenses. Of course, the NAB says the wording does ban it. MANY others say that the wording itself does not specifically ban single ownership. In either case, a rule can be superseded by another rule or repealed by vote of the FCC.
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
Premium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
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| Re: Yay ... Regardless, their are a lot of satisfied customers of both services that don't want this merger consummated. I happen to be one of them. I like XM the way it is.
Mel and HOO HOO Howie can stay with the little doggie all by themselves as far as I'm concerned...
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join:2007-07-18
Newport, KY
| Re: Yay ... well, dualsub = subscriber of both XM and Sirius. I don't listen to O&A or Whoie so I could care less about that.
I am happy the way things are. I pay about $50 a month for all of my radios with both and will be happy to do so in the future. Looks like it will be with one company. I fear who would buy both if the merger fails. | |
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
Premium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
·Verizon FIOS
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| Re: Yay ... I've got 3 XM subs right now. One in the office, one at home (portable unit) and a Pioneer AVIC D-3 in the truck.
It sill be interesting to see what happens if the merger is off. I too fear who would purchase the 2 independent companies if the merger is blocked.
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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs:
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1 edit | Re: Yay ... If you fear the purchase of the companies then why not tell the truth , your jealousy of what Sirius has done with HOO HOO HOWIE makes you bitter towards the combining of the providers. After all if your provider is bought out you may lose much more then just some channels. You may lose all commercial free radio and may lose uncensored content.
As a sub who has sirius in my F-150 and XM in my Honda (for now) Sirius is a much better provider and I don't want that disappearing any time soon , so I back the merger so that we may have sirius and XM programming on one radio. With the combination of programming you keep most of the XM channels and most of the Sirius channels but move them to a unified system so you get better bang for the buck.
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join:2002-12-15
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| Re: Yay ... said by N3OGH :LOL. Actually, I stopped listening to HOO HOO a while before he went to Sat Rad. If I heard Jessica Hann one more time, I was going to revert to my 1987 form  Now why would I, the user of a product be "jealous" of the alternate provider of that service? It makes no sense whatsoever. I don't own stock in either company, and quite frankly I don't care. If nothing changes as far as programming (as we've been promised) then I'll be a happy camper. But corporate types aren't in the business of keeping promises to customers, they are in the business of making shareholders happy. Ya gotta earn that suit. Again, I just get such a chuckle out of being jealous of a media provider. Like I'm jealous of ABC because their "caveman" show does better than whatever is running on NBC, CBS, or Fox. I do like Sirius' "Sirius shuffle" channel. They play it a lot in a bar I hang out in. I think it's better than XM's "The Mix" channel... I do like the idea of 2 separate companies competing against each other. Competition drives innovation and keeps companies on their toes... They compete against many media forms now man , cd's , internet radio in cars ! (yea newer cars are coming with 3g based network devices and pcs on board) the ipod , there is so much more then just Sirius and XM competing. They even compete with terrestrial radio as well.
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join:2007-07-18
Newport, KY | Re: Yay ... You should march right back to the sites and smack them down. I have when I see it, yet it goes uncorrected. There are a number of places where the facts can be learned free of charge. | |
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Bababooey
@nextweb.net | Hardly...it's because Washington has a bug up their ass about Stern. | |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
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I dont see the "pro business", if that were true Xm merger would have happened long ago.
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aztecnology
O Rly?
Premium
join:2003-02-12
Murrieta, CA | I'm behind the deal if employees get free dish programming. Otherwise I could care less... | |
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voipdabbler
join:2006-04-27
Kalispell, MT | Regulatory reviews first. Even if they could reach a compromise on the offer, this would get some pretty close regulatory review, and not just by the FCC. | |
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ptrowski
Got Helix?
Premium
join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
clubs: | Echos the technician at my house.... A few months ago I had a tech at the house and he mentioned that AT&T were planning to get into the satelite world. | |
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | time for DirecTV to get worried. well, they could have a kabillion HD channels and it wouldn't matter against the Death Star.
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Premium,ExMod 2003-06
join:2001-03-15
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| Re: time for DirecTV to get worried. said by inteller :time to sell out to XM/Sirius No thanks...
After what DirecTV did to Telocity customers a few years back, hell no.
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ossito16
join:2004-07-31
Whiting, IN | When does it stop? If this is allowed to go thru then I believe the FCC and the dept in charge of anti-trust should be disolved. Might as well let intel, amd, nvidia, & cisco merge too. And to finish it off let Oracle, Microsoft, IBM, Google,& Apple merge too. | |
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Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: When does it stop? Micro$oft already owns a chunk of Apple.
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join:2005-06-17
Camp Hill, PA
| said by en102 :Micro$oft already owns a chunk of Apple. They sold that portion years ago. What would be interesting is if Apple started buying up MS stock.... With their market cap, they could get darn close to 51% of MS. Then things could get interesting. | |
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | Where exactly is the anti-trust that you are concerned about? There will still be competition...not that anyone ever likes to consider satellite providers in their competition arguments. | |
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Premium
join:2000-07-08
Plymouth, MI
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·Comcast
| Re: When does it stop? said by openbox9 :Where exactly is the anti-trust that you are concerned about? There will still be competition...not that anyone ever likes to consider satellite providers in their competition arguments. Satellite is competitive when it comes to video, but not internet. Internet service has atrocious latency issues due to the satellites being 22,500 miles high in the sky.
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | Re: When does it stop? Not disputing the latency. This thread is really questioning the antitrust comment made above. You support my statement regarding competition and that there isn't an antitrust concern with AT&T purchasing a sat TV provider. | |
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join:2004-07-31
Whiting, IN
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| Re: When does it stop? said by openbox9 :Not disputing the latency. This thread is really questioning the antitrust comment made above. You support my statement regarding competition and that there isn't an antitrust concern with AT&T purchasing a sat TV provider. I believe the antitrust falls into the realm of bandwidth ownership. They have the copper lines, U-verse fiber, and 700mhz spectrum, now they are going after another medium of communication (maybe even Dobson Communications - largest independent wireless provider). It is the same thing as one company owning a piece of all forms of transportation. Shipping, air, railroads, and trucking. If it owns a good enough piece of the individual transportation networks it is a matter of time before they start to become the monster. Look at Micro$oft, of course they were not the only operating system around, but when they started to provide media players, browsers, word processors, etc. they got tossed into the antitrust pit. | |
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
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| Re: When does it stop? said by ossito16 :I believe the antitrust falls into the realm of bandwidth ownership. They have the copper lines, U-verse fiber, and 700mhz spectrum, Did I miss the announcement about the 700 MHz spectrum? Other companies have the things that you mentioned so I'm not seeing that issue.said by ossito16 :Look at Micro$oft, of course they were not the only operating system around, but when they started to provide media players, browsers, word processors, etc. they got tossed into the antitrust pit. There were other reasons why Microsoft was sued, such as forcing OEMs to play along with certain tactics. The tying of media player, and IE to the OS was a BS part of the allegation IMO. Every other OS that I've touched does similar things. So, back to your original antitrust statement, unless AT&T starts to force OEMs into non-favoring situations or they start to use their market strength in an anticompetitive manner, I don't see the antitrust issues. | |
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tkdslr
join:2004-04-24
Pompano Beach, FL
·Speakeasy
| AT&T's liabilities are to high.. They're in the mist of a civil lawsuit, (illegal wiretaps), that could wipe out all shareholder equity.
They've already lost a number of key rulings. I suspect that this one is going to trial and will have major consequences (bankruptcy, new owners).
I doubt Charlie Ergen will settle for anything less than CASH on the barrel. That leaves AT&T getting it's funds in the debt markets. Unfortunately for AT&T, the new Creditors would have one of the weakest position possible, behind the plaintiffs. (Bad news.) | |
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DHRacer
Fire Survivor
join:2000-10-10
Lake Arrowhead, CA | So now it's a 5-way bundle? What next? Can't get the best price for sat tv unless you also buy into Wireless, Mobile Internet and all the other crap ATT is shoveling? This is going to be going in a bad direction. | |
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Premium
join:2004-11-26
America
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| Re: So now it's a 5-way bundle? no doubt! ...So now what, a perfectly good tv provider gets worse due to all the merge mania 
Yeah, now you can get cheap tv channels, but that's after you bundle the landline (that the box has to be hooked up to... don't those things have built in wi-fi or wired ethernet yet??? why MUST it be ONLY a phone line?). Oh you want a cellphone? Ok, another 'discount.' Internet? Oh yeah, that's another "discount."
might as well just give ma bell a direct link to your bank so they can take whatever they want from your account 
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hayabusa3303
Over 200 mph
Premium
join:2005-06-29
clubs: | hummm Hey AT&t.
You starting to think your UVERSE stuff stinks now? Guess so. | |
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Dagda1175
join:2001-06-17
Goleta, CA | As usual The government needs to keep out of business dealings completely. | |
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News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Re: As usual Yeah, I'd like to see all environmental and consumer protections revoked. It's not like these companies would behave badly. | |
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No tanks
@nextweb.net | I'll probably end up cancelling What usually happens is whoever does the buying runs the company into the ground. I saw it with the Comcast takeover of ATTB and Covad's takeover of Nextweb.
Oh well. I can always hold out hope that AT&T won't F* up E*. | |
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kwayzcat
join:2002-10-22
Chicago, IL | I'll cancel Dish I love Dish but I'll cancel the day after if the merger goes through. Hello DirecTV or Comcast. | |
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In the beginning there was POTS
join:2006-03-05
Round Lake, IL | Re: I'll cancel Dish You and me both, my friend. You and me both.
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Formerly TwoKDialup
Premium
join:2002-06-07
Coloma, MI | Notice: We don't cherry pick but for those of you on the wrong side of our redline, here's your dish booby prize!
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Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY | One Word...... SH*T | |
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@bellsouth.net | ........i wonder what does this mean for the people in old Bellsouth territory that have the Bellsouth D* discount. Will we loose that eventually since At&t will have E*? | |
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Anonymous
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join:2004-06-21
127.0.0.1
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them VS cable
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in Picture Quilty & sound
sat sucks
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| sigh - again? This merger would make sense since AT&T relies on Echostar to complete its "triple play" for most consumers. AT&T only pulls fiber to wealthy new residential communities, the rest get old DSL, IP telephony, a dish and an exploding telcom dslam box on the curb. But this takes us back, all the way to 2000, when AT&T was the largest cable operator in the country having bought out TCI and Media One only to sell it all to Comcast in 2001 while taking a 53 billion dollar loss. And one wonders why Wall Street hasn't trashed this monster yet - oh nevermind . . . | |
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