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Verizon FiOS DNS Redirection?
User in Maryland says it's up and running...
by Karl Bode 10:14AM Tuesday Oct 23 2007
ISPs such as Cox, Earthlink and Charter have all tinkered with DNS redirection services. Such services usually redirect users who mistype URLs to an ISP-run search page (complete with referral links) instead of giving a traditional error message. While ISPs claim these services are deployed to help users, they're really little more than advertising cash generators. In essence, butterfingers create a revenue stream.

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The practice annoys many of our regular users, who say the changes often break useful network monitoring tools that require a "clean" 'net. Often, ISPs will allow users to opt-out of the service, but the opt-out solutions are sometimes flaky. We've seen at least one ISP back down after our users riddled them with complaints.

Last June, we were the first to report that Verizon was also tinkering with DNS redirection for DSL users in the Midwest. Now, one FiOS customer tells us he's seeing the service in Maryland. "It isn't happening on my business FiOS connection, just my home FiOS connection in Annapolis," he tells us.

This is what the Verizon DNS redirection page looks like. There is an opt-out link on this page, where Verizon informs you the service was "designed to make your web surfing experience more productive." We've contacted Verizon for comment on when users can expect this across the entire Verizon footprint, and will update this report with any responses received.

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jchambers28

join:2007-05-12
Alma, AR

1 edit

Iwould not mind it if

I would not mind it if it was not filled up with useless and worthless ads but the chances of that happening NONE

matcarl
Premium
join:2007-03-09
Franklin Square, NY

Re: Iwould not mind it if

I don't mind it. If I mistype an address and it helps me find it, that's all that matters.

jjoshua
Premium
join:2001-06-01
Scotch Plains, NJ
kudos:3
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

2 recommendations

Re: Iwould not mind it if

said by matcarl:

I don't mind it. If I mistype an address and it helps me find it, that's all that matters.
Except that the internet is not just the web.

DNS has a purpose. Returning a failure code for a non existent domain is a requirement for DNS. Verizon breaks this.

swhx7
Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia

Re: Iwould not mind it if

Exactly, I was about to post the same.

The only acceptable solution is to provide an option of DNS that works correctly for customers who need it. The "web only" people can default to the false-results scam and those who prefer true DNS would be given an address of an un-tampered DNS server.

kontos
xyzzy

join:2001-10-04
West Henrietta, NY
said by jjoshua:

Except that the internet is not just the web.

DNS has a purpose. Returning a failure code for a non existent domain is a requirement for DNS. Verizon breaks this.
Would you feel any better about this if the "DNS tinkering" only kicks in on queries for names that begin with 'www.' and are of the 'A' record type?

dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4
said by matcarl:

I don't mind it. If I mistype an address and it helps me find it, that's all that matters.
you dont mind a company making money off your mistake and not kicking anything back to you?
--
You can never be too rich, too thin or have too much Bandwidth
curls310

join:2007-09-26
Hillsdale, NJ

i use this

»www.opendns.com/

hobgoblin
Sortof Agoblin
Premium
join:2001-11-25
Orchard Park, NY
kudos:11

Re: i use this

Doesn't it do the same thing?

Hob
--
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."
- Ralph Waldo Emerson
curls310

join:2007-09-26
Hillsdale, NJ

Re: i use this

yeah but it's slightly faster than OOL's dns from my unscientific test. Getting FIOS on friday so we'll see how it compares to VZ's dns server.

brandon
Some truth included in this post.
Premium
join:2003-03-31
Hurley, MS

Re: i use this

said by curls310:

yeah but it's slightly faster than OOL's dns from my unscientific test. Getting FIOS on friday so we'll see how it compares to VZ's dns server.
You're kinda missing the point here. We're not talking about whether DNS is fast or slow.

TechieZero
Tools Are Using Me
Premium
join:2002-01-25
Gibsonton, FL
Verizon DNS servers suck. I too switched to OpenDNS and noticed a big improvement in web page speeds. Even with FIOS I was lagging when trying to paint a page. With OpenDNS, the page loads are way faster, no lagging.
travelguy

join:1999-09-03
Santa Fe, NM
Doesn't it do the same thing?
Not if you configure it not to.

Jodokast96
Stupid people really piss me off.
Premium
join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ
kudos:2

Check it out

Check out the Opt Out instructions. The OS instructions stand to screw stuff up as much as fix anything.
Enlightener

join:2006-01-28
Cedar Park, TX

1 recommendation

Re: Check it out

Christ the instructions suck. They assume you are stupid and make you click through a dozen pages to get the information that you really need:

Enter 68.238.0.14 if you live in Illinois, Michigan, Indiana, Wisconsin, or Ohio.
Enter 68.238.128.14 if you live in Oregon, Washington, or California.
Enter 71.252.0.14 if you live in Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia, Washington DC, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, or Delaware.
b10010011
Whats a Posting tag?

join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA
Reviews:
·Comcast Formerl..

1 edit

1 recommendation

Time to roll your own DNS server

Forget these asshats and their spam ridden redirects

Run your own DNS server, it's, faster, easy, and FREE!

Treewalk DNS server for Windows »ntcanuck.com/

Bind9 comes with most Linux distributions »www.bind9.net/

If you have several computers in your house only one needs to be a DNS server and set the rest to try that computer first.

timcuth
Braves Fan
Premium
join:2000-09-18
Pelham, AL

Re: Time to roll your own DNS server

That was funny!

Tim
BosstonesOwn

join:2002-12-15
Wakefield, MA
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
no thanks I will use opendns and support them more then anything else , when you dns fails you need to be able to climb the ladder to a good dns server anyway.
--
"It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!"
b10010011
Whats a Posting tag?

join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA
Reviews:
·Comcast Formerl..

Re: Time to roll your own DNS server

said by BosstonesOwn:

no thanks I will use opendns and support them more then anything else , when you dns fails you need to be able to climb the ladder to a good dns server anyway.
Thats why you have the option set more than one DNS server.

If the first one fails it will automatically try the next one...

I set Treewalk (localhost) first and OpenDNS next. Besides who knows, someday OpenDNS may start doing the same thing.
BosstonesOwn

join:2002-12-15
Wakefield, MA
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

Re: Time to roll your own DNS server

They do , thats how they stay alive. I rather a choice to use it or not , in this case I reward them by using it and not opting out.
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"It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!"

kdwycha

join:2003-01-30
Riverview, FL

RE

Thanks for the treewalk thing. I was trying to get bind to work with windows but got bored and perused pornography instead. Treewalk is working great and very speedy
jvanbrecht

join:2007-01-08
Bowie, MD

Re: RE

Heh... bind is not something you just go about configuring in your spare time its not exactly user friendly. I do however run 3 binds servers for my own purpose, namely I support about 25 domains (not a business, just my own and a few friends for email.

GlobalMind
Domino Dude, POWER Systems Guy
Premium
join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL

Busted is busted

Purely speaking, if the url is wrong then it should display as such, not show some lame-o page that is nothing but an ad portal.

And of course this isn't an ISP specific thing either, applies to any domain anywhere at any time.

The only thing I see I guess is that perhaps it is a tad more friendly than a straight up failure, although I prefer to just get the failure.

This differs from creative 404 pages which at least are hosted within the bounds of a particular site. At least that's the idea anyway.
--
TheGlobalMind.com | Speed costs money. How fast do you want to go? | Angus the IT Chap

Hehe

@ssa.gov

Just run your own DNS server.

I run a DNS server on my firewall. I don't use my ISP's DNS servers.

Mike
Premium,Mod
join:2000-09-17
Pittsburgh, PA
kudos:1

Happens here too

I have Verizon DSL.

I've noticed it's been like this for a few months in Pittsburgh.
BlitzenZeus
Burnt Out Cynic
Premium
join:2000-01-13
kudos:3

Try this

Blocking these 3 ip addresses prevented the redirect completely here, and Verizon is nothing but scum for doing this.

vznassist.infospace.com [66.150.2.134]
(no rdns) [63.251.179.13]
(no rdns) [8.15.7.117 80]

danclan

join:2005-11-01
Midlothian, VA

1 edit

well since comcast days....ive used

the 4.2.2.x from level3 4.2.2.1 through 4.2.2.6.

I am disappointed in this and don't really see why any isp would need to tweak with something as basic and fundamental as DNS and it's errors.

I have noticed that they have changed their dns services in central va no to only list one dns server: 71.252.0.12

it used to be 71.252.0.14 and 71.242.0.14

hopeflicker
Capitalism breeds greed
Premium
join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
kudos:1

Re: well since comcast days....ive used

said by danclan:

the 4.2.2.x from level3 4.2.2.1 through 4.2.2.6.

I am disappointed in this and don't really see why any isp would need to tweak with something as basic and fundamental as DNS and it's errors.
It's all because of greed!
and not, it's not a "tool" or a "benefit" to the customer
--
People pray to God because they're told to.
millerzone

join:2004-10-15
Kirkland, WA

The WA/OR/CA DNS servers are also doing this...

These Verizon DNS servers are also providing this "service":

68.238.128.12
68.238.64.12

These are the WA/OR/CA servers. I changed mine to 68.238.0.14 as suggested in the opt-out instructions, and this does fix the problem.
SGR
Premium
join:2003-05-19
Lutherville Timonium, MD

Also seeing it in MD

I can confirm it's up in MD too. If only they would add features we actually want, like 20/20, rather than useless and annoying features like this.

Rob A
Avoiding Opera 15
Premium
join:2005-01-17
Pompton Plains, NJ

Fios...

I don't care about these petty restrictions, just bring me fios dammit!

asdafdsghgfjfd

@verizon.net

I'd rather "feel lucky"

This was just implemented on my Verizon DSL in New York. I used to go to Google's "I feel lucky" result when typing a word in the address bar, which I think is a feature of Firefox? Now I need to figure out how to workaround this. Who do I complain to?

LAguy

@verizon.net

Stupid Verizon

So annoying - just started happening this AM in LA as well. Lame Verizon helpdesk rep knew nothing of it, and argued with me that I should not be typing partial URLs anyway. 192.168.1.1 is down at the moment. I'm giving Verizon 24 hours before I disconnect service and go with someone else. Redirect page is too annoying and big brotherish.

STrRedWolf

join:2006-06-18
Severn, MD

Just got turned on here in 21144

It just got turned on here. I'm shutting it off.

tygris@redwolf ~ $ host www.mnalkf13ionf0aijha.com
www.mnalkf13ionf0aijha.com has address 8.15.7.117
www.mnalkf13ionf0aijha.com has address 66.150.2.134
www.mnalkf13ionf0aijha.com has address 63.251.179.13
www.mnalkf13ionf0aijha.com has address 66.150.2.134
Host www.mnalkf13ionf0aijha.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
Host www.mnalkf13ionf0aijha.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
 

I hate DNS dickery.