 AnonProxyProxy of AnonPremium join:2001-05-12 ß | That's pretty good I wish they would do that out this way.... | |
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 aln4 join:2004-01-08 Algonquin, IL | Nice! I sure wish we could get some competition like this to Comcast out this way. | |
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 |  Chris 313Come get somePremium join:2004-07-18 Houma, LA | Re: Nice! Now this is more like it. 20 megs in places like New England and 25/4 coming to everyone soon.
Hope Comcast wakes up soon. | |
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1 edit | Re: Nice! Well if Comcast tried this you would have shareholders crying "WAAA WAAA look how much money they are spending!!! WAAA WAAA!"
What Shareholders don't realize is that upgrading to 1 GHz is far less expensive than running fiber to the home, and a 1 GHz two way RF network is much more robust in terms of bandwidth compared to say AT&T Project Lightspeed style solutions.
You have to spend the money now to make the money later. Cable companies cannot just sit still and do nothing when the satellite companies are raining down fierce competition. | |
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| Re: Nice! After reading about Comcast's future plans (their shareholder slide show, should I call it their SSS?), doing this 1GHz upgrade is really good: it gives them the room to temporarily double-carry that analog stuff while they transition to high quality (H264) codecs for the best quality video, including, as they say, HD, and as they say, for more channels, more Internet bandwidth, and just generally more, without having to heavily juggle what they already have (although they can juggle it if they want anyway), allowing the transition to happen cleaner, better, faster, and less expensively. It makes it a lot easier for them to breath all around, I think. What a great thing to do ... I wonder what the costs of the upgrade are.
Does Cox have a Comcast-like fiber infrastructure? | |
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| said by Chris 313:Now this is more like it. 20 megs in places like New England and 25/4 coming to everyone soon. Hope Comcast wakes up soon. Why would they , they have the largest foot print and pillage and plunder the best. They have no need to compete until some one starts to take their bread and butter , and it just isn't happening. Well not fast enough anyway.
I personally have come to the point where I am going to get the trees in my yard removed in order to put up a directv satellite dish. -- "It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!" | |
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 needforspeed59Cruise Ship Just Passing Through join:2001-05-02 Glendale, AZ | Phoenix Rising?! Yah baby! I can hardly wait for this to hit Phoenix. I understand Cox is upgrading the area right now. I wonder when it will be completed here? More HD? Alright! More speed? Alright! OD? Bring it on! -- Great success! High five! | |
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 |  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ kudos:4 | Re: Phoenix Rising?! said by needforspeed59:Yah baby! I can hardly wait for this to hit Phoenix. I understand Cox is upgrading the area right now. I wonder when it will be completed here? More HD? Alright! More speed? Alright! OD? Bring it on! more speed? in a qwest territory that is highly unlikely. -- You can never be too rich, too thin or have too much Bandwidth | |
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 dmeyer join:2002-08-14 Austin, TX | analog analog analog analog analog analog while scaling back its analog channel count from 74 to 68
This doesn't make sense. They don't need a 1ghz plant to provide 100+ HD channels and 200+ SD channels. The money would be better spent providing cheap set top digital converters for customers and cutting back the analog channel count to, say, 16 or so. Besides, the government is providing two $40 coupons per household to upgrade to digital converters, right?
They should upgrade CPE first, plant second. Sure, by 2010 a 1ghz plant would be nice, but first get rid of all that wasted spectrum from analog channels and go digital.
I want an all-digital cable company. | |
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 |  Fubar join:2001-02-20 Phoenix, AZ kudos:2 | Re: analog analog analog analog analog analog Perfect world would say absolutely that would be best..
However customer service prevents this! This is one leg up cable co's have over sat providers. No boxes needed for additional TV"S | |
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 |  | | said by dmeyer:[spoiler] This doesn't make sense. They don't need a 1ghz plant to provide 100+ HD channels and 200+ SD channels. The money would be better spent providing cheap set top digital converters for customers and cutting back the analog channel count to, say, 16 or so. Besides, the government is providing two $40 coupons per household to upgrade to digital converters, right? They are also using the bandwidth for phone and faster internet. The digital converter coupons that will be avalable are for over the OTA viewers who don't want cable. They wll not work with cable. | |
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 |  The BeerI Love It When A Plan Comes TogetherPremium join:2001-07-24 Omaha, NE 1 edit | Cox don't provide digital converters, and definitely not cheap.
See in your example they could not get away with the "Digital Gateway Fee" they hide the HD tiers in.
And once they do that, well all the local affiliates of CBS, ABC and NBC will come knocking for some cash.
In Omaha we had CBS pulled from HD for some time because the affiliate said Cox was charging for the HD signal and they wanted a part of it. Cox says they don't charge anything to the customer for HD so they don't make anything.
Now it's ABC in the fight with them over the same thing. | |
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 |  |  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ kudos:4 | said by The Beer:See in your example they could not get away with the "Digital Gateway Fee" they hide the HD tiers in. We're pretty much paying what satellite subs are paying for HD. Gateway fee: $5.00 Box premium: $8.00 ------------------ total: $13.00 (what sat subs pay: $9.95) this has always been a pet peeve of mine, call the HD "free" then stuff the fees elsewhere. this is a dirty way of ripping off the networks which we'll end up paying for via rate hike. -- You can never be too rich, too thin or have too much Bandwidth | |
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| Re: analog analog analog analog analog analog That's only true in some markets.
I pay the same for an HD box as a regular box ($5.25, plus $5 if it's a DVR) and have no charge beyond the standard charge for digital cable for the HD channels.
When they add some HD channels later this month they are going to start segmenting the HD channels into various "packs" (sports, variety, etc.) as they do on the SD digital tier and you'll only get the locals plus the channels associated with whatever digital "packs" you pay for.
For me, HD is treated in exactly the same way as any other channel on the system.
I gather that it's that way for most everyone except the folks out in Phoenix who they are abusing. (quite possibly at the behest of the franchise authority) | |
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 |  odogCable Centric Vendor BiasedPremium,VIP join:2001-08-05 Atlanta, GA kudos:5 Reviews:
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| many companies already offer an "all-digital" version of their channel lineup. My company for example has 80 channels of analog and those same 80 analog channels are also sent via digital in 8 QAM's. An analog TV tunes the native EIA channel, and the digital boxes tune the QAM's. So a TV watching channel 2 is tuning channel 2 @54MHz, the digital box is tuning channel 85 pid 1 etc.
The coupons are not for QAM converters, they are for ATSC tuners and they won't work with cable.
Analog is also a so called "killer" app for many cable ops as you don't need a box and can continue to use the same TV you've had for years. | |
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| Re: analog analog analog analog analog analog said by MOTO6809:said by dmeyer: while scaling back its analog channel count from 74 to 68 This doesn't make sense. They don't need a 1ghz plant to provide 100+ HD channels and 200+ SD channels. I agree with your statement, however I think they should have went from a 5-42Mhz upstream to a 5 - 72Mhz at minimum, that would give them a total 9 or 10 USABLE channels for upstream QAMS. IMO that would put them in a very good position for competing with data rates for at least 10yrs.. Even better a with a higher 105MHz split return. | |
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Then analog customers don't have to ask "Hey why does our lineup start at ch 7 instead of 2?" | |
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| Re: analog analog analog analog analog analog That only helps if the VOD service group is isolated to that single node of 250 subs. Likely the VOD service group is larger and they simply burn more channels for VOD. It's a matter of what is cheaper....More eQAM's or larger service groups. Also with SDV becoming a more viable option bandwidth can be "found" there. | |
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| said by dmeyer: while scaling back its analog channel count from 74 to 68 This doesn't make sense. (...) I want an all-digital cable company. I heavily delved into Comcasts's SSS (shareholder slide show) with an attitude similar to yours in mind, insisting upon better codecs for all channels and to get rid of the analog waste. Anyway, when I was done, considering all of the situations Comcast has to consider (Analog carriage, people who have analog carriage at home, all the sets that have analog carriage, that the cable co is responsible for digital conversion (not the fed gov't -- those coupons aren't for cable co conversions), and a whole bunch of other bandwidth limitations that they're bunched up against), I finally realized getting rid of analog is a careful square dance. However, during the slide show, I realized one key thing relevent to this discussion: their 750MHz seems like a low bandwidth. I said to myself "hmm ... can't they upgrade that? I wonder how much. It would sure expidite and improve this upgrade process." Apparently, Cox did more than wonder. | |
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 ztmikeMark for moderationPremium join:2001-08-02 Michigan City, IN | bah More than i can say what Comcrap is doing.
Same bullshit service till they get competition ..which will be never..the way its looking. -- "I am the worst president in US history, I'm either stupid or dumb most of the time, but people still believe me." George W. Bush | |
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 morboComplete Your Transaction join:2002-01-22 00000 | wow
impressive upgrades. | |
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 |  smokarz join:2006-07-24 West Hartford, CT | Re: wow i want Cox/Verizon in my area...i'll buy one way tickets to ship out Comcast/ATT. | |
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 |  |  |  smokarz join:2006-07-24 West Hartford, CT | Re: wow well, i should have thought of that when i bought my house couple years ago. it would be quite expensive to move now....and damn it, i am right at the border of newington/west hartford too... | |
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 jtel join:2005-06-28 Bristol, RI | Competition is Fantastic Cox is making a good case for me to stay with them even when FIOS is available next year (or two?). | |
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 DotMac4Shill H8rPremium join:2007-10-26 Huntington Beach, CA 2 edits | What about the monthly caps While I have rarely seen them enforced (I had gotten only a single nastygram from the @Home days from Cox/OC) will they continue to list the low 40-60GB/mo caps in their AUP? I mean theoretically speaking, at 25Mb you could blow through the published cap in about 4-6 hours.
»www.cox.com/policy/limitations.asp | |
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 |  DrModemPremium join:2006-10-19 USA kudos:1 | Re: What about the monthly caps well at least they tell you what the cap is :P | |
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| said by DotMac4:While I have rarely seen them enforced (I had gotten only a single nastygram from the @Home days from Cox/OC) will they continue to list the low 40-60GB/mo caps in their AUP? I mean theoretically speaking, at 25Mb you could blow through the published cap in about 4-6 hours. » www.cox.com/policy/limitations.asp with 25Mbits downstream that doesn't mean you blows it out of cap limited... | |
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 | | lol If the engineer for cablevision that i talked to was right Ithen to upgrade to docsis 2 was only a firmware upgrade if they used the cisco equipment .
So why couldnt cox just go docsis 2 and offer a similiar teer to cablevisions boost? | |
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 |  JigsawStardust We ArePremium join:2000-10-21 Cleveland, OH | Re: lol said by majortom1029:If the engineer for cablevision that i talked to was right Ithen to upgrade to docsis 2 was only a firmware upgrade if they used the cisco equipment . So why couldnt cox just go docsis 2 and offer a similiar teer to cablevisions boost? They use Juniper equipment. »www.multichannel.com/article/CA6···ing+News -- "It's called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it."-George Carlin
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| can speeds over 2Mbit be achieved now? This is a curiosity I've been wondering for a while now. When it comes to upstream speeds via cable, are cable operators technically able to provide speeds beyond 2 megabits/second with existing equipment, or is 2Mbps the limit? I ask this because while cablevision can provide it's customers with up to 5Mbps upload, no other cable provider anywhere in North America that I'm aware of, offers uploads any higher than 2Mbps, and that usually requires a business tier to even get that. Is there a technical reason why cable operators aren't yet offering, even to business users, speeds greater than 2Mbps upstream? What makes Cablevision able to offer double the upload plus, while every single other provider has a max it seems of just 2 meg? | |
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| Re: can speeds over 2Mbit be achieved now? said by kd6cae:This is a curiosity I've been wondering for a while now. When it comes to upstream speeds via cable, are cable operators technically able to provide speeds beyond 2 megabits/second with existing equipment, or is 2Mbps the limit? I ask this because while cablevision can provide it's customers with up to 5Mbps upload, no other cable provider anywhere in North America that I'm aware of, offers uploads any higher than 2Mbps, and that usually requires a business tier to even get that. Is there a technical reason why cable operators aren't yet offering, even to business users, speeds greater than 2Mbps upstream? What makes Cablevision able to offer double the upload plus, while every single other provider has a max it seems of just 2 meg? Why Cablevision can offer 5 upload is cause they're on a Docsis 2 system for that tier, which is now maxed out for the 30/5 tier.
The 15/2 tier is on Docsis 1.1. | |
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 |  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ kudos:4 | said by kd6cae:This is a curiosity I've been wondering for a while now. When it comes to upstream speeds via cable, are cable operators technically able to provide speeds beyond 2 megabits/second with existing equipment, or is 2Mbps the limit? The limit on a node is 10mbps. limiting to 2mbps is just good bandwidth management. i doubt those CV subs with 5mbps up rarely get all their 5mbps or they're capped. -- You can never be too rich, too thin or have too much Bandwidth | |
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 |  |  | | Re: can speeds over 2Mbit be achieved now? your wrong . Come to the cablevision forums. We get the speeds. the docsis 2 network is not effected by the docsis 1.1 network. ITs only effected by how many boost users are on the node. Boost is not capped either. Only the normal package is.
Is cablevisions network really that much better? | |
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 |  |  SDKiwiVIP join:2002-05-27 El Cajon, CA kudos:2 | said by dvd536:said by kd6cae:This is a curiosity I've been wondering for a while now. When it comes to upstream speeds via cable, are cable operators technically able to provide speeds beyond 2 megabits/second with existing equipment, or is 2Mbps the limit? The limit on a node is 10mbps. limiting to 2mbps is just good bandwidth management. i doubt those CV subs with 5mbps up rarely get all their 5mbps or they're capped. Some related factoids.
A single 16 QAM upstream can deliver about 9 mbps in a 3.2 mhz carrier. All 1.0 and 1.1 modems support 16 QAM.
A single 64 QAM upstream can deliver about 15 Mbps in a 3.2 mhz carrier. Only 2.0 modems and eMTAs support 64 QAM. Aggregate upstream speeds above 20 Mbps are available to 2.0 modems if a 6.4 mhz upstream carrier is used.
More than 1 upstream carrier can be assigned to a node ... on any current CMTS.
Shared upstream capacity above 10 Mbps per node is clearly doable, but it takes some extra investment in spectrum, 2.0 modems and CMTS line cards. | |
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 intellerSociopaths always win. join:2003-12-08 Tulsa, OK | but but... ....DirecTV said they will be so much better cause they will have 100s of HD channels.
where are those DirecTV sheep now? It must be storming over their houses. | |
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 | | 25/4 chea!!!!!!!!!! with 4mb upload speed i can upload 4 times as fast hopefully this will be by early next year at very latest | |
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 | | Crossing fingers... Hope they roll this out to us folk in Louisiana...that'd be awesome. | |
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