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Members of own party call it 'misguided and harmful'
(old news - 01:39PM Tuesday Nov 20 2007)
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FCC Boss Kevin Martin last week announced he was planning to use a provision in a 1984 law to exert power over the cable industry. Martin's goal is to use the provision to give him the authority to employ new regulations that could limit the cable industry's growth, and force them to migrate to an "a la carte" pricing scheme. Martin's claim that his primary goal is lower TV prices isn't particularly convincing.

The "70/70 rule" in question states that if cable TV is available to 70% of U.S. homes and 70% of those users subscribe, the FCC has the authority to enact new regulations. While consumer advocates have traditionally supported using this provision to leash cable operators, Martin's loyalty here is to the baby bells (who like a more regulated cable industry) and indecency groups (who want to be able to pick and choose "kid friendly" channels).

However, his plan isn't faring well among his own party members, where it's a staple belief that deregulation leads to telecom nirvana. 26 Republicans on the House Commerce Committee have written Martin, calling his proposal "misguided and harmful." Fellow Conservative commissioners are also not impressed with his plan, and say he's fudging his numbers to use the provision.

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jgkolt
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what i would like

Is to be able to get another cable operator besides time warner, say cox? how about a better dsl provider like verizon say fios instead of att. I dont want the junk uverse from att with filtered internet from att. Bah
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openbox9

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Re: what i would like

And I'd like to see little cuddly pink bunny rabbits hopping around delivering Easter Eggs, but guess what, it's not going to happen.
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Re: what i would like

said by openbox9 See Profile :

And I'd like to see little cuddly pink bunny rabbits hopping around delivering Easter Eggs, but guess what, it's not going to happen.
Seriously, jgkolt See Profile brought a point the table. You just made yourself look like an idiot. I'm sure you're proud too, but I agree with jgkolt See Profile.
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openbox9

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Re: what i would like

You can agree all you want, it's still not going to happen. Besides, what do the comments (especially the ones about telcos) made by jgkolt See Profile have to do with Martin's attempt to levy additional regulation on cablecos. Perhaps you hope that Martin will require cablecos to provide wholesale access to competitors to eliminate the requirement to build out their own infrastructure. Good luck with that hope.

CylonRed
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Actually - his point is valid - until these other companies are willing to lay out huge sums of money to wire a location for an undefined return - no one else is going to be able to compete even if it is allowed. He just out it in a humorous way - that is all.

Ebolla

join:2005-09-28
Dracut, MA

Re: what i would like

Not only willing to put up the money for cables to be run, but also needs to actually get a franchise agreement with city. If a franchise reform goes through and are no longer needed then the issue of money still stands.
hottboiinnc
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Re: what i would like

Why need to go to the city? a lot of states do it at state level. No build out requirements for a long time. Do like the Bells. And claim IPTV.

tc1uscg

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Saint Clair Shores, MI

said by jimbo2150 See Profile :

said by openbox9 See Profile :

And I'd like to see little cuddly pink bunny rabbits hopping around delivering Easter Eggs, but guess what, it's not going to happen.
Seriously, jgkolt See Profile brought a point the table. You just made yourself look like an idiot. I'm sure you're proud too, but I agree with jgkolt See Profile.
Idiot? Hardly. It's those who are living in a pipe dream thinking just because another "provider" won't come into thier area, the FCC is going to ride in on a white horse (or black) to save the day. Nothing is stopping Verizon from coming into my area, nothing is stopping other providers, oh shit.. wait.. it's the cash flow and demand.. Thats why they don't come around there. So, before you write off the bunny rabbit sarcasm, maybe you should pull your head out of the sand (or some place else that smells) and face what the real issue is here. I live in a area that has ATT, Comcast and WOW. It all had to do with the money the provider wanted to spend to get into the market and how much they wanted to undercut the other guy. So.. where the hell is VZ? Cherry picking, like ATT as they do best..
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Re: what i would like

said by tc1uscg See Profile :

said by jimbo2150 See Profile :

said by openbox9 See Profile :

And I'd like to see little cuddly pink bunny rabbits hopping around delivering Easter Eggs, but guess what, it's not going to happen.
Seriously, jgkolt See Profile brought a point the table. You just made yourself look like an idiot. I'm sure you're proud too, but I agree with jgkolt See Profile.
Idiot? Hardly. It's those who are living in a pipe dream thinking just because another "provider" won't come into thier area, the FCC is going to ride in on a white horse (or black) to save the day. Nothing is stopping Verizon from coming into my area, nothing is stopping other providers, oh shit.. wait.. it's the cash flow and demand.. Thats why they don't come around there. So, before you write off the bunny rabbit sarcasm, maybe you should pull your head out of the sand (or some place else that smells) and face what the real issue is here. I live in a area that has ATT, Comcast and WOW. It all had to do with the money the provider wanted to spend to get into the market and how much they wanted to undercut the other guy. So.. where the hell is VZ? Cherry picking, like ATT as they do best..
Maybe not now, but in the future when Martin is no longer the head of a department that is, mostly due to him, now under scrutiny. Hopefully after his term is up (or he is ousted), someone with a little more sense will be put in place. Favoring the telcos and regulating the cable cos with restrictions that even the telcos deserve? This guy sounds more like a joke. I can only hope that the after the next election a capable person is put in place. Our government needs more insight into technology and I hope it comes soon. I really don't care what pipe dream I live in, at least I have one. Sitting back going "not ganna happen, never ganna happen (but I wish it would/could)" isn't going to do anything.
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davoice

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Saxapahaw, NC

Ha! Apparently you haven't been out lately on Easter.



That Easter bunny is just as real as residential broadband competition in the USA.

}Davoice
openbox9

join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA

Re: what i would like

There we go. Pink Easter Bunnies for everyone.

Sr Tech
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Re: what i would like

lol, openbox9 you got me laughing tonight. You analogy on the article is great.
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said by jgkolt See Profile :

Is to be able to get another cable operator besides time warner, say cox? how about a better dsl provider like verizon say fios instead of att. I dont want the junk uverse from att with filtered internet from att. Bah
It cost to much to overbuild a system, when you may only get 20% of the subscribers. They would buy a system rather than build it.

The closes you may get is ATT or Verizon doing an overbuild, but that could be 15yrs from now and ATT and Verizon wouldn't overbuild each other.

Jason Levine
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Albany, NY

Me too. We've been having problems with our Time Warner DVR box for quite awhile. We're told to reboot the box (helps that one time but then the problem comes back). We have techs come to our house (signal strength is great, no problems that they can see). We've even swapped out the box twice (wish they could transfer recordings from the old box to the new box ). Still, we can't record a show and watch the recording from the beginning at the same time without the screen turning black.

It happened just last night to my wife. She was recording Dancing with the Stars, had 2 minutes left in the recording, and selected Play from Beginning. Suddenly the screen turned black. When she went back to the DVR listing, the recording had vanished! Time Warner tech support finally admitted that there might be an issue with Play from Beginning, but they haven't given us any home that the problem will be fixed yet.

Right now our options are:

- Stick with Time Warner even though we're not happy with the level of service we're getting.
- Switch to DirecTV and possibly pay more (we're signed up for the Time Warner All-The-Best package).

And that's it. Our choice of television comes down to The Cable Company or The Satellite Company. We should be able to pick from a few different cable companies or alternative providers (satellite, IPTV from telecom companies, etc), but we're limited to 2.
JSRoman
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Finally some blowback.

Hopefully this makes Martin think twice about being such a telco whore.
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sholling
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Re: Finally some blowback.

said by JSRoman See Profile :

Hopefully this makes Martin think twice about being such a telco whore.
It won't help a bit. He knows that he's out of a job when Bush leaves office and has put himself in a position to collect millions in consulting fees (payoffs) from the telcos. He couldn't be more obvious if he had "Property of Verizon" tattooed on his forehead.
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MOTO6809

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Re: Finally some blowback.

said by sholling See Profile :

said by JSRoman See Profile :

Hopefully this makes Martin think twice about being such a telco whore.
He couldn't be more obvious if he had "Property of Verizon" tattooed on his forehead.
Isn't that the truth.
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said by JSRoman See Profile :

Hopefully this makes Martin think twice about being such a telco whore.
Highly doubtful. Once a 'ho, always a 'ho.
bogey780

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Script is always the same

Regulate cable= bad
Regulate telco= good

If AT&T and Comcast took Martin out to dinner I imagine the headline would be that AT&T is buying Martin while Comcast is just trying to befriend him.
openbox9

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Alexandria, VA

Re: Script is always the same

Actually, the headline would probably read, AT&T and Martin went to dinner and Comcast was forced to pay for the meal while standing in the rain on the street.

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said by bogey780 See Profile :

Regulate cable= bad
Regulate telco= good
Telco regulation for pots made sense at one time. Even the USF started out on the right track. But money and power corrupt all.
Regulation is a tricky thing to get right. Take Verizon. Builds a new network and is mostly unregulated. Makes sense for now.
If they were forced to do open access they would not invest in the network. No franchise agreements and they move into towns quickly.
The downside, no build out requirements so not everyone gets it. CLECS are locked out, you take what verizon offers. Towns loose public access channels.
Everything is a trade-off. With these kind of natural monopolies we have limited choices:
No regulation, the customer is at the mercy of the corporations, most of which choose their own interests over the good of the customer or the state.
More regulation, adds costs and the corporations have no incentive to roll out new technology so they settle back into their fat government regulated world and abuse the customer with as many fees and as limited service as they can get away with.
Unless the FCC, PUCs and other regulators work for both the good of the customer and corporation, one side or the other comes out the looser, and the funny thing is when the corporations loose, in the end the customer always looses too.
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qworster

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Yep-and they raise the rates early and often!

Just like Verizon did the other day.....
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Yeah...he's pissing off THEIR sugar daddies-the MSOs!

C'mon! The only reason "other members of his party are calling it misguided and harmful" is that THEY'RE on the take from the big cable MSO's!

Let's get real-HE'S on the telco 'take' which leaves the cable 'take' for them!

Corruption running rampant in Washington, D.C.=

BUSINESS AS USUAL!
axus

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Re: Yeah...he's pissing off THEIR sugar daddies-the MSOs!

When Cable Competes (for your congressman) Everyone Wins!

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Kevin Martin Speaking


Hi there it's me........
At a recent meeting of the Telco industary.
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hemi427
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Re: Kevin Martin Speaking

all over with.. the fat lady is singing

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Re: Kevin Martin Speaking

said by hemi427 See Profile :

all over with.. the fat lady is singing
True except this creature is a drag queen
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mikenolan7
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I knew I didn't want to see some of the pr0n you guys look at!
Tim2
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Telcos

While the telcos sat on their monopoly butts, cable created the world as we know it today... hundreds of channels and broadband internet that reaches a large percentage of the country.

It seems churlish to kiss the butt of the telcos who did squat until their aging copper and loss of landlines forced them into doing something.

Remember, we're still waiting for the picture phone Ma Bell promised at the 1964 (or 1965) World's Fair.
stridr69

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Re: Telcos

I remember that. I also remember that the majority of people didn't want picturephones at the time either. Due to the fact of "always on" cameras issue-even though there was a "turn-off" feature. However, the "digital pad" was also new at the time-remember rotary dialing-and that is now the norm. Imagine rotary-dialing on your cell phone...hehe.
Now we have VoIP W/video cams-which can STILL be turned off.
New York Worlds Fair 1964 was the last of them as well...

However...I'll keep my ATT hardline for the time being, as it ALWAYS WORKS-PERIOD. Can't say the same thing for my cable co.(Charter).
Not to mention my 3 phones that I purchased back in '81 from ATT that STILL does the job(Tamstar, Trimline, and the 1956 style phone with the digital pad).
hottboiinnc
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You can get a picture/video phone from Packet8
bogey780

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Telco's gave us radio astrononomy, fiber optics, transistors, and Unix.

What did the MSO's give us that topped all that exactly?

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Am I only one who thinks a la carte would be worse?

I've oftened wonder if a la carte would be worse? Say everyone gets 100 channels.. and I like maybe 20.. some likes a different 20.. lots overlap.. but in essence paying for a while package we subsidize each other tastes and when the odd program comes on a different channel then its a bonus.

If everything went pure a la carte. people would just buy the channels like they liked, but then no one who did't like it would be contributing.. therefore you'd have to pay more for that channel.. making channels more expensive.. so in the end you'd get less channels for similar amounts of money?

I don't get how a la carte could benefit people unless they only want 3 channels...

BF69

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Camden, TN

Re: Am I only one who thinks a la carte would be worse?

First I have never heard ANY proposal on ala carte were ala carte would be a REPLACEMENT for the current situation. it wuld be an ADDITIONAL choice. Those who like geting 70+ channels 80% of which they never watch for $50 a month still can. those that rather have fewer and save money could do that. I can't see how MORE choice is BAD. Would I be paying more per channel with ala carte? Sure, but I would also be geting less channels thus SAVING money. Maybe I'll only have andbe paying $40 a month. Now sure that might only be $10 saving, but I'm actually getting the channels I want and I've got an extra $120 a year in my pocket.

The only people that would be against it are those that want things to staythe same because their bills might go up slightly. Well I'm sorry if they are losing my subsidy. If they want communism they can move to Cuba.
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Re: Am I only one who thinks a la carte would be worse?

said by BF69 See Profile :

First I have never heard ANY proposal on ala carte were ala carte would be a REPLACEMENT for the current situation. it wuld be an ADDITIONAL choice. Those who like geting 70+ channels 80% of which they never watch for $50 a month still can.
It's just not possible that there would be an option to continue service at it is. If there was a 25% opt out rate for ESPN from basic service, the other 75% of subscribers would have to cover the cost. If there was a 90% opt out rate for The History Channel, the other 90% would have to cover those costs.

It's a lose-lose situation for the consumer.
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