NCTA and TiVo Announce SDV Solution Release in the second quarter of 2008... Tipped by Morac 
User Morac writes in: "TiVo and the NTCA announced today that the previously proposed external adapter that will allow TiVo and other cableCARD devices to tune SDV channels will be available starting the 2nd quarter of 2008. Currently SDV channels are not viewable via cableCARD compatible devices since tuning such channels requires 2-way communication which most cableCARD devices lack. As more and more cable companies are starting or planning to add SDV channels in the near future, this announcement means that people using TiVo (and any other cableCARD device with a USB port and upgradable firmware) won't be left out."As we've mentioned, many cable providers are rolling out switched digital video (SDV) technology aimed at increasing bandwidth capacity on cable networks, by holding unwatched channels at the edge router. TiVo had expressed concern that SDV technology could render CableCARDs (and thererfore their hardware) useless.
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| Tivo 3/HD Users Rejoyce! I've actually been holding off getting the Tivo HD because of this. Cox is starting to implement SDV in my area in December so I'd be screwed.
I wonder if this also means that we will be able to get onDemand too?
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|  | | | Re: Tivo 3/HD Users Rejoyce! I have read that it might or might not allow PPV or EOD on a 2way system. | |
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1 edit | Re: Tivo 3/HD Users Rejoyce! said by ajwees41:I have read that it might or might not allow PPV or EOD on a 2way system. It's only for SDV (as announced, anyway). VOD and PPV require all sorts of user interface stuff, as well as billing issues. There is no user interaction or billing component to SDV beyond selecting channels that are already included in your monthly package. The cable companies have dug in their heels on this and are adamant that they completely control the user interface for VOD and PPV (and everything else on the DVR). TiVo has proposed a compromise where the cable company could have their own screens for VOD and PPV. | |
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| Then again, why would tivo want to give access to PPV and EOD when they can launch their own service (didn't they want to partner with netflix?)
The Series 3 come with an Ethernet port, the base is there.
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| | |  ifarrell
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Willow Spring, NC | Re: Tivo 3/HD Users Rejoyce! Netflix thing fell through.
They're with Amazon now. | |
| | | |  NOCManMacChatterPremium
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Colorado Springs, CO | Re: Tivo 3/HD Users Rejoyce! said by ifarrell:Netflix thing fell through. They're with Amazon now. And Amazon Unbux sucks. Every time I've gone in there to rent a movie it's buy only. You can count on any movies that are popular to be buy only. | |
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| | Why? I don't get it. I hope it's not something that will be 'must do'. Screw Tivo! | |
| | | | Re: Why? what don't you get? | |
| |  insomniacOh YeahPremium
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Naperville, IL | If you don't have TiVo (and it sounds like you don't), then this does not apply to you in any way.
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| | cghh
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Milpitas, CA | It is all of the consumer electronics companies that want to play in this space that are also involved. Including Microsoft. | |
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Tulsa, OK | oh, so I see how it works... Tivo gets a solution that works for them meanwhile the rest of us who have cableCARDs in our TVs (without the ability to upgrade firmware) can go fuck ourselves.
fuck you TiVo. | |
| |  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
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kudos:4 | Re: oh, so I see how it works... Amen!
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| | | | What's that have to do with TiVo?
TiVo happens to be a device with USB ports and an Ethernet port, making it capable to communicate back to the cable headend.
Your TV with CableCard, not designed by TiVo, has no ports that would allow it to have a device that would communicate back to the cable headend.
I fail to see how TiVo is at fault. | |
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Willow Spring, NC | Re: oh, so I see how it works... Because they're the same type of unimaginative people that would substitute Apple or Microsoft after the f word.
I'm just glad a solution was arrived at. I just hope the Cable Companies don't see this as another way to suck a few more bucks out of our wallets by saying they'll only rent the USB device. | |
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Milpitas, CA | said by smcallah:TiVo happens to be a device with USB ports and an Ethernet port, making it capable to communicate back to the cable headend. The "tuner resolver" will connect to both the cable and the USB port, and will communicate with the head end over the cable. No ethernet port is required. If a cablecard TV has a USB port and the ability to update its firmware, it potentially could be upgraded to handle SDV. | |
| | | | | | Re: oh, so I see how it works... I never said it communicated with the headend over the Ethernet, I know how cable devices communicate with the headend, obviously, it's over the coax.
My point was, that the TiVo has USB ports and Ethernet, while his TV doesn't, which makes it incapable of having a dongle of any kind to allow SDV with CableCard. And somehow he was blaming TiVo for the make of his TV. | |
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00000 | waa waa. blame your tv manufacturer (and yourself) for your problem. | |
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Willow Spring, NC | Re: oh, so I see how it works... PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!!!!!!! | |
| | | | | | Re: oh, so I see how it works... said by ifarrell:PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!!!!!!! Amen Brother!
TivoHD Rocks! | |
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|  MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
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kudos:12 | said by inteller:Tivo gets a solution that works for them meanwhile the rest of us who have cableCARDs in our TVs (without the ability to upgrade firmware) can go fuck ourselves. fuck you TiVo. I can upgrade the firmware in my TV ...
Regardless, I don't see how this is Tivo's fault.
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| | | | said by inteller:Tivo gets a solution that works for them meanwhile the rest of us who have cableCARDs in our TVs (without the ability to upgrade firmware) can go fuck ourselves. fuck you TiVo. So it Tivo fault that the television don't have usb or ethernet on them. I have a 72 in Toshiba with a cable card but no usb.
You can't blame Tivo on that.
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kudos:1 | said by inteller:Tivo gets a solution that works for them meanwhile the rest of us who have cableCARDs in our TVs (without the ability to upgrade firmware) can go fuck ourselves. fuck you TiVo. Why would you have only a cableCARD in your TV? Don't you want to time-shift programs? How did you expect to watch SDV channels?
- Get a digital box from the cable company OR
- Get the DVR from the cable company and suffer the shitty interface, no automatic rewind, no To Do List, confusing remote, no scheduling from the Web, no downloading to computer OR
- Get a TiVo HD DVR, get a beautiful interface and toss that cable company remote with 514 buttons on it, and schedule and download recorded programs from your computer.
If your TV/cableCARD only solution won't do SDV, and your cable provider is putting channels on SDV, that's the TV's responsibility to build in some sort of two-way communication so the TV can map the channels to its channels. | |
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2 edits | Re: oh, so I see how it works... said by Johnny:said by inteller:Tivo gets a solution that works for them meanwhile the rest of us who have cableCARDs in our TVs (without the ability to upgrade firmware) can go fuck ourselves. fuck you TiVo. Why would you have only a cableCARD in your TV? Don't you want to time-shift programs? How did you expect to watch SDV channels? - Get a digital box from the cable company OR - Get the DVR from the cable company and suffer the shitty interface, no automatic rewind, no To Do List, confusing remote, no scheduling from the Web, no downloading to computer OR - Get a TiVo HD DVR, get a beautiful interface and toss that cable company remote with 514 buttons on it, and schedule and download recorded programs from your computer. If your TV/cableCARD only solution won't do SDV, and your cable provider is putting channels on SDV, that's the TV's responsibility to build in some sort of two-way communication so the TV can map the channels to its channels. You can download stuff off of the cable dvr There are currently only three things a tivo can go that cable dvr's don't do. MRV,Wishlist,andweb scheduling. | |
| | | | JohnnyPremium
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kudos:1 | Re: oh, so I see how it works... You can download stuff off of the cable dvr There are currently only three things a tivo can go that cable dvr's don't do. MRV,Wishlist,andweb scheduling.
No, as I pointed out, the Motorola units do not have auto-rewind at the end of a FF commercial skip. They also do not have a To Do List to see on a single page the programs scheduled to be recorded. The interface sucks and the response to the remote hangs every so often, stacking up the button commands and then releasing them all 1 minute later.
Can you do wireless downloads over your local network?
Another thing the Moto can't do is exclude channels that you do not care for. All it can do is make a Favorites list, and you have to choose Favorites each time you want to see the list or else you get all the channels.
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| | | | | | | Re: oh, so I see how it works... The moto dvr with passport echo 2.7 can be set to view only channels you want to see. I don't see any speed diferences
what model of moto hardware are you using? | |
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| | |  sporkmedrop the crantini and move it, sisterPremium,MVM
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Morristown, NJ | said by ajwees41:You can download stuff off of the cable dvr What "stuff"? Stuff that was sent in the clear, encrypted stuff, all stuff? | |
| | | | | | | Re: oh, so I see how it works... Anything that's not encrypted. The firewire port on the cable dvr's or a tv tuner card in your pc is all you need. If you go the tv tuner route you can even capture Premium and EOD and encrypted shows. I know there not in HD. | |
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|  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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| said by inteller:Tivo gets a solution that works for them meanwhile the rest of us who have cableCARDs in our TVs (without the ability to upgrade firmware) can go fuck ourselves. fuck you TiVo. Nothing to do with Tivo. It's the Cable companies fault.
Cable companies hate CableCard anyway. I'm sure they'll love forcing people into obsolescence.
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Burlington, MA | Re: oh, so I see how it works... It is nobody's "fault". Each company involved is responsible to its owners, not to pander to our personal demands. It's a bit like saying that it is the bakery's "fault" that muffins cost so much. :rolleyes:
If you want society to work different, i.e., more biased towards the consumer instead of striking a balance between consumer interests and business interests, as is the case today, look very hard at the people you vote for for Congress and the Presidency. For the last 28 years (Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush) our country has overwhelmingly chosen PRO-BUSINESS leaders, not consumerist leaders. | |
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| Re: oh, so I see how it works... said by bicker:It is nobody's "fault". Well it is, and it isn't. The fact that the problem goes un-fixed most certainly IS their fault.Each company involved is responsible to its owners, not to pander to our personal demands. Silly me. I thought providing services the customer wants and therefore pays for was the goal. I've forgotten that in today's pro-business environment consumers are expected to just take whatever is offered, fork over their cash, and shut the hell up.
As for who the country chooses as leaders, well, I've been in the other camp for years. Personally, I feel we could use sweeping reforms to put consumers on a more even keel with business interests.
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2 edits | Re: oh, so I see how it works... said by KrK:The fact that the problem goes un-fixed most certainly IS their fault. That presumes that something is broken. From TiVo's standpoint, they have no control over the breakage and cannot "fix" it. From the cable company's standpoint, nothing is broken. Again, no one is at fault.
said by KrK:Silly me. I thought providing services the customer wants and therefore pays for was the goal. That is, as you've tacitly recognized, a naive perspective. The overriding goal of almost all corporations is to make money for their owners.
said by KrK:I've forgotten that in today's pro-business environment consumers are expected to just take whatever is offered, fork over their cash, and shut the hell up. And it has been this way for at least 25 years, going on 30 years.
said by KrK:As for who the country chooses as leaders, well, I've been in the other camp for years. Personally, I feel we could use sweeping reforms to put consumers on a more even keel with business interests. I can adjust to that if I have to, but what is most important is consistency. Constantly changing the rules helps no one. | |
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| NOCManMacChatterPremium
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Colorado Springs, CO | This has nothing to do with Tivo. You will have to get new cable cards that's all. Complain to your cable company that they're screwing you over, complain to the FCC and congress that you are being forced to rent a box to watch your channels you already pay for.
Finally just get a generic box, it's probably comparable in price to the cable card. | |
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1 edit | Re: oh, so I see how it works... said by NOCMan: You will have to get new cable cards that's all. Complain to your cable company that they're screwing you over A new CableCARD won't magically install the missing transmitter in the device you put it into making it 2-way capable.
There is no such thing as a 1-way CableCARD, but there are plenty of 1-way devices (labeled UDCR or DCR) you can install them into and the cable companies didn't make those... | |
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