  Happyrat6Google Is Your Best FriendPremium
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Disneyland | Big brother is watching you... And billing you for his time.  | |
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 | | | Re: Adblock plus Oh how the high and mighty have fallen. By blocking ad's, you are not better than a common pirate. The web site owners DESERVE to make money, and what you are doing is taking money out of their pockets. That makes you a thief in my book.
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| |  nekkidtruthYou fail at life.Premium
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London, ON | Re: Adblock plus LMFAO This deserves some type of reward. Couldn't have been more perfect.
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| |  PlasticmanWill Work For BandwidthPremium
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Johnston, RI | said by karlmarx:Oh how the high and mighty have fallen. By blocking ad's, you are not better than a common pirate. The web site owners DESERVE to make money, and what you are doing is taking money out of their pockets. That makes you a thief in my book. This from a person who has, "Stick it to the MAN. Support your local torrent sites. Proudly providing 100mb of upstream for all your TV, Movie, and MP3 needs.", in his signature. Kind of condicending that you say blocking ads makes you a common pirate, But you openly advertise and seem to support pirating copywrited materials which are enevitably shared over torrent sites.....
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| | | | | Re: Adblock plus That joke passed about 30,000ft above your head. | |
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O Fallon, MO | This disapprobation brought to you by the letters W, A, and H. | |
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robertflPremium
join:2005-10-10
Mary Esther, FL | Just block them Ads are blocked here since there pointless and annoying. You can install ad filtering software like ad mucher and ad blocker (which does not block the flash animated ads)
There used to be ad subtract but that's no more as intermute was purchased by a company called "Trend Micro"
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|  TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
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Cheyenne, WY | Re: Just block them FireFox has all kinds of enhancements to stop this sort of thing.
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rantou
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Wylie, TX | Privacy violations, coming to an ISP near you... Okay, seriously though, I work for an ISP and nobody has ever come to us asking us to sell our clickstream data. I would love to have an extra $5/user/month of revenue, but the bottom line is that when it comes down to it, this is a serious violation of privacy since everything is logged -- your IP address, even if it is dynamic, is logged everywhere, so that clickstream data can tell an ISP a LOT that people probably don't want out.
Not that it matters... Money is the root of all evil (and therefore you have the gub'ment!) | |
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|  MadcapBaby's on FirePremium
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Fpo, AP | Re: Privacy violations, coming to an ISP near you... If Comcast has been selling my clicks then I hope they enjoy the porn. The Fox, AdBlock Plus, Filterset.G to keep ABP updated.
At least SAA has my back.
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|  NormanSPremium,MVM
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| said by rantou:Money is the root of all evil... The original quote is:
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For the love of money is the root of all evil...
Money is, essentially, neutral.
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Wylie, TX | Re: Privacy violations, coming to an ISP near you... Damn! Now I have to go back to the drawing board! | |
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join:2005-10-17 | if they sell my data and target adds to me couldn't they drop the price of my connection or pay me to view them. | |
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| | | Re: if they sell my data and target adds to me SUUUUURE....that'll happen... | |
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| | ftthzIf love can kill hate can also save
join:2005-10-17 | Re: if they sell my data and target adds to me I can still dream ...  | |
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| | | said by ftthz:couldn't they drop the price of my connection or pay me to view them. They also could drop the ads and charge you more for your connection.
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| | ftthzIf love can kill hate can also save
join:2005-10-17 | Re: if they sell my data and target adds to me so far they haven't targeted me with ads... so why would they increase the price... so far they have probably just sold my data... | |
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| |  en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | More than likely, they'd keep the add.. and charge more for your connection. The name of the game is how much revenue can you bring in, and make the maximum amount of profit. If the CEO can't do it, they'll find another.
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 pogPremium
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Kihei, HI | how are ads served? I get how they'll extract the info to send back to NebuAd... but how will they be foisting the ads back on their victims?
Maybe we'll be required to run ISP-approved, NebuAd-compliant software?
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| | | Re: how are ads served? That's what I'm wondering too. The ads will have to be served by the ISP itself otherwise someone will come up with a hack to prevent NebuAd from plastering people with ads.
This is a real scumbag way to make money. It's spam. | |
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|  DaSneaky1Done wall to block them allPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
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| - Your IP and results of deep inspection of destination website
- NebuAD server sees your results, forms ads "suited" for you.
- Website embedded with NebuAD client code delivers "suited" content to your IP on that web page...whether that ad has anything to do with the site in question or not.
-ISP profits
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Kihei, HI | Re: how are ads served? said by DaSneaky1D:... Website embedded with NebuAD client code delivers "suited" content to your IP on that web page. ... So each website has to collude with NebuAd?
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| | | DaSneaky1Done wall to block them allPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou | Re: how are ads served? I would think so. Seems to be the only way this could work. | |
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join:2004-01-26
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kudos:2 | Re: how are ads served? NebuAd might also inject code into your http delivery, therefor displaying whatever ads might generate them the most revenue. | |
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join:2007-09-04
Canada
kudos:1 | Re: how are ads served? Or they may redirect your DNS requests every once in a while to show a page with an AD with a link to continue to the page you were trying to reach...
Either way, that's shoving ads down the customer's throat. Any ISP that decides to go down the route of forcing targeted ads on people is not getting a cent from me. | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: how are ads served? And some people on here want us to pay for it by the byte. No, I don't think so.... | |
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join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
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1 edit | said by DaSneaky1D:I would think so. Seems to be the only way this could work. This is actually MORE packet forgery by ISPs. At the tail end of an HTTP page delivery, they ad code to display their ad.
»www.freepatentsonline.com/20070233857.html
Abstract:
A network device for monitoring and modifying data traffic between a client device and a server device is disclosed. The network device is configured to provide targeted advertisements to a user based on some or all of the data traffics generated the user. Different from a proxy server, the network device operates transparently from both perspectives of a computer being used by the user and a website being visited by the user. The network device is disposed in line between the computer and the network so that all data traffics are examined. The data packets exchanged between a computer and a website being visited are altered or modified in such a way that the head of the packets remains largely intact while the payloads of the packets are changed to suit the need of delivering transparently the targeted commercial information.
And if you want to see what it looks like, click HERE: »benanderson.net/blog/weblog.php?id=D20070622
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kudos:8 | Re: how are ads served? Hey, I see a new security appliance.
said by my new idea :
The data packets exchanged between a computer and a website being visited are altered or modified in such a way that the head of the packets remains largely intact while the payloads of the packets are changed to suit the need of removing transparently the targeted commercial information. This seems much better than the current approach of allowing the advert reference to remain in the HTML stream and them blocking the subsequent attempt to fetch the advert.
If you plan to get rich with my new idea, just send me a bunch of share options, ok? | |
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join:2001-10-04
West Henrietta, NY | said by pog:said by DaSneaky1D:... Website embedded with NebuAD client code delivers "suited" content to your IP on that web page. ... So each website has to collude with NebuAd? That, or NebuAD colludes with doubleclick, adbrite, etc. They in turn throw ads up on the website you are viewing based on the NebuAD data. | |
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| | ads? I haven't scene a signal ad sins i installed Add Blocker Pulse :P
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Tulsa, OK | it is time for ISPs to realize that the days of huge profits are over. Don't try to protect unrealistic profit margins by selling out your customer. this technology just reeks. | |
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join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | Re: it is time for ISPs to realize It must be working because ISPs continue to add to their revenue streams. | |
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2 edits | Wonderful I think it's a great idea. With this new-found ad revenue, ISPs can pass some savings onto the end user!
... right? :X | |
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|  DotMac4Shill H8rPremium
join:2007-10-26
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2 edits | Re: Wonderful No, they'll continue to bitch that Net Neutrality is a scheme of the Silicon Valley fat cats and they'll demand even more money for content delivery claiming that users aren't paying enough. Unfortunately for them, stories like this come to light showing that they make tons of $$$ off users from many different sources. | |
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| openbox9Premium
join:2004-01-26
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kudos:2 | Or upgrade their infrastructure for everyone bitching that ISPs aren't expanding and building to what they're offering. | |
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join:2000-05-04
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kudos:8 | What lying weasel words these are said by some scumbag :
"is dedicated to enhancing the browsing experience of users through our innovative behavioral analysis solutions." Uh, yeah. Right up there with "this merger allows us to better serve our customers".
I wonder if they asked the users whether they want this "enhanced" experience?
I think I'd prefer the enhanced experience of no adverts ever. There isn't a medium around that advertisers won't destroy if they're permitted access (and they always will be permitted access). | |
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| | | Re: What lying weasel words these are said by dave:Uh, yeah. Right up there with "this merger allows us to better serve our customers". Yeah, that line borders on Orwellian - "ignorance is strength! advertising is enhancement!" | |
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|  MLouPremium
join:2007-05-01
Madison, WI
1 edit | said by dave  I think I'd prefer the enhanced experience of no adverts ever. There isn't a medium around that advertisers won't destroy if they're permitted access (and they always will be permitted access).
I'd pay double to get guaranteed privacy and no ads. I just want a dumb pipe. Is that too much to ask? | |
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| | | Yeah, kinda like "I promise that I'll respect you in the morning"! | |
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join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC | Stealing? How do they serve these ads? I hope they aren't hijacking others' web pages and stealing their ad revenue.
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
kudos:18
1 edit | Ads? Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!
Ok... knock yerselves out!
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join:2003-10-01
Westlake, OH | Who Cares Not me.  | |
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join:2005-01-14
Fort Wayne, IN
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| Privacy implications? From the article: "Most users are more concerned about privacy ramifications."
Yet in this thread, only a couple of the posters thus far have even mentioned privacy concerns pertaining to establishing routine deep-packet analysis at the ISP level. Fascinating divergence...
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| | | Re: Privacy implications? At least they split the pipe when they give all of our data to the NSA. This crap would have to be in line, adding to the latency numbers both upstream (to track clicks) and downstream (to add targeted adds). So it's not only a disgusting invasion of privacy, it is degrading the service.
If the US Postal Service tried a stunt like this, checking the addresses of the bills we pay, then plastering adds on the mail we receive, we would be tripping over the heads rolling. It is sad that the leadership of this country understands so little about technology that they freely allow one, yet would never stand for the other. Ahh, I am so forgetful in my old age, the USPS doesn't employ lobbyists, do they? | |
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| Re: Ads ??? Who cares whether or not you see the ads?
Can you hear that whooshing sound? It's the sound of something flying right by you. That something is these guys are setting up deep inspection on your surfing habits.
I guess who cares about an invasion of privacy as long as we have firefox running and have those pesky ads blocked.
I mean, if we don't block the ads, the terrorists win, right?
Let the corporations buy and sell our clickstream data. Let them inspect each and every packet that passes through thier pipe. Let them collate that information, tie it to a *specific* user, and then sell it. We don't care, we've got AD BLOCKER 5000 MEGASUPREME installed.
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| |  COMMANPlug Me In
join:2000-07-17
Mount Juliet, TN
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| Re: Ads ??? EXACTLY! To Heck with the ads - what about all this correlated data on MY surfing habits, and have we all forgotten about computers having a tendency to STORE this data? Who else besides the ad servers has access to this data? Could "big brother" be getting a free shot while the advertising industry pays for it? If I visit Ron Paul's web site 3 times in 1 day and my child surfs on over to some Neo-Nazi website for a school research project, am I gonna get thrown in Gitmo? Is it a national outrage for the NSA to do this but we're just going to overlook it when the company we pay for access is doing it? I don't surf porn, don't download pirated content - hell, I don't even hardly use e-mail or messenger services, but it's the freakin' principle of my right to privacy! If you want to see and sell my click-throughs, furnish me a free T-1 - otherwise stay the heck out of MY data!!!!!!!
(And to think of how many of my family members have died fighting for this "Free Country"! Terrorism, the plague, a bad traffic accident - the dangers of living will always be here. Our constitution - I'm not so sure.)
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| | |  flarnNo Logic Left
join:2001-02-10
North Richland Hills, TX | Re: Ads ??? What 'right to privacy'? There is no such thing in the constitution.
To save you (some) trouble - it comes from a Supreme Court case in the 1970s where one of the justices decided to make up this vague right. In the end you do not have a right to privacy from the constitution. The one granted to you from that Justice's opinion has changed over time as the justices try to nail down what exactly it is.
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| | Just another reason to block them... It's just another reason to block the ads at the firewall / internet content filtering level. I've blocked pretty much all sites that have ads -- some sites integrate them and then if I see them enough, I block the entire site. | |
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 dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | Wonderful Hardware based spyware you can't get rid of.
making money off our backs and not kicking anything back to us
this stinks even worse then their DNS crap.
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