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EarthLink a no-show at Philly Wi-Fi hearing
Company death watch continues...
by Karl Bode 09:22AM Wednesday Dec 12 2007 Tipped by Lone Wolf See Profile
It's been well-discussed that Earthlink has put their municipal broadband aspirations on hold as the company deals with its financial headaches. On the heels of firing half of their workforce, the company pulled out of projects in both San Francisco and Houston. They've now annoyed Philadelphia leaders by not showing up for a scheduled hearing on a Philly network they've invested $20 million in. The no-show may have something to do with the legalese behind offloading the network or the sale of Earthlink entire:
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"This is pretty sad in terms of corporate response," said Councilman Brian O'Neill, chairman of the technology and information services committee. "I don't get this from my worst constituents." EarthLink's statement cited "confidentiality agreements with other providers that may have an interest in this network and our status as a publicly-traded corporation." A company spokesman on Tuesday night declined further comment. Councilman Frank Rizzo, who asked for the hearing, said he's "troubled by the fact that they're not being upfront with us."
Earthlink remains in a tough spot. They won't be able to share next-gen telco networks, the dial-up business is dying, their partnership with Covad goes only as far as that company's ADSL2+ network does, cost cutting is affecting support quality and their Muni-Fi efforts netted fewer subscribers than expected.

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Death is near

Goodbye Earthlink you were only good during your dial-up days.

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Re: Death is near

said by brianiscool:

Goodbye Earthlink you were only good during your dial-up days.
Yep and only the beginning of those days, after they ate mindspring and others they got too big for thier britches and started to suck.

Years ago I was on AOL and switched to Earthlink, it was great ... at first.
They oversubscribed and thier service went downhill, disconnections, busy dial-up numbers, poor service, etc.
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brianiscool

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Re: Death is near

My first dial-up account was with Pipeline. Then I went to AOL, Compuserv, Genie, Netcom and Prodigy.

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»www.philly.com/philly/news/local···371.html
The firm Philadelphia has retained to build a citywide wireless Internet network has spent millions more than its anticipated costs and cannot say when it will complete the project, City Council members were told yesterday.

In fact, EarthLink Inc. representatives didn't show up for a committee hearing on Wireless Philadelphia. The company's retreat from the municipal-wireless business prompted the hearing. But EarthLink made clear by its absence that it did not want to be peppered with questions in public as it rethinks its business strategy. All that money spent for a few thousand people. What a waste!!

EarthLink said it had spent more than $20 million to establish the broadband wireless service, "in excess of the $12 million to $15 million anticipated by the city and EarthLink at the outset of the project."

The network is substantially built, the company said, but neither EarthLink nor city officials could provide a date for when the system would be completed.

Greg Goldman, CEO of the city-created nonprofit Wireless Philadelphia, said EarthLink's network had "several thousand" subscribers so far.
Hardly surprising that a Muni-Wifi project is way over budget and behind schedule. Involve politicians and city government and that is what happens. All that money spent for only a few thousand people. What a waste!!
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Re: Death is near

said by FFH:

Hardly surprising that a Muni-Wifi project is way over budget and behind schedule. Involve politicians and city government and that is what happens. All that money spent for only a few thousand people. What a waste!!
Still a speck of dust compared to the $2.1 billion in incentives Verizon received from Pennsylvania for services that never materialized. Involve politicians, city government and Verizon and that is what happens. All that money spent for NOTHING. What a waste!!

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Re: Death is near

said by jhboricua:

Still a speck of dust compared to the $2.1 billion in incentives Verizon received from Pennsylvania for services that never materialized.
Source? You don't have one and I call B.S.

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Re: Death is near

said by batterup:

said by jhboricua:

Still a speck of dust compared to the $2.1 billion in incentives Verizon received from Pennsylvania for services that never materialized.
Source? You don't have one and I call B.S.
Teletruth and their one man campaign against telcos keeps spreading this lie. And the uninformed keep repeating it ad nauseum.
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Re: Death is near

Hmmm. He's quiet now.

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You mean like this?
»Picture Perfect Deal

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Re: Death is near

The rest is silence.

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said by Supervisor:

You mean like this?
»Picture Perfect Deal
So what. All that item did was parrot Teletruth.
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said by Supervisor:

You mean like this?
»Picture Perfect Deal
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Critics charge that Bell Atlantic made billions off of the deal, while offering services they knew would never see the light of day.

Who are the critics?

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Corrupt City Government?

Or is Earthlink dying?

From the article:
Three years ago, Street announced that Philadelphia would be the first major U.S. city to have its own network for wireless Internet access , putting the city on the technology map. But the project is nearly a year behind schedule and beset by cost overruns.
Mayor Street is one of the most corrupt big-city mayors in the country. Maybe the payoffs haven't been coming into City Hall fast enough.
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Did They Survive The Trip?

Considering how dangerous the city has become under the outgoing John Street administration, one has to ask if the Earthlink people might have been gunned down on the way to the meeting.
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N3OGH
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Re: Did They Survive The Trip?

I wouldn't bring my laptop into the city anyway.

Having that thing in my hand may slow my draw time, and heaven knows every second counts when going for your gat.

On the streets of Killadelphia.....
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russotto

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Don't be silly, it's still cop season in Philly, not executive season. That doesn't start until January.

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Re: Did They Survive The Trip?

Thanks for the reminder.

I'm trying to blend in until executive season starts....
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said by russotto:

Don't be silly, it's still cop season in Philly, not executive season.
I thought it was Boy Scout Season.
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Re: Did They Survive The Trip?

Boy scouts are open season, no bag limit.

N3OGH
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Re: Did They Survive The Trip?

Shit, now you guys got me double scared.

I was a boy scout, and now I'm a cop.

Looking both ways, and ducking behind cover.

Remember children. If it won't stop a bullet, it's not cover, it's concealment.

Cover- Engine block, giant rock, brick wall.

Concealment- A bush, wooden fence, a car door.

Knowing the difference is half the battle in the city of..er brotherly love.

Fortunately, I don't work there, I'm in the outer burbs, so usually it's lost dogs and domestics. But sometimes, it kicks off...

BTW, what Philly did to the scouts was reprehensible. Here we've got a city that is beset on all sides by the scum and villanry that is the result of fatherless children, and what do they do? Take a way from an organization that provides boys and young men with solid role models.

Life in these United States folks....
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Re: Did They Survive The Trip?

Excuse me? Philadelphia being reprehensible? Try they stood up to closed minded homophobic organization. While I am not a homosexual I do believe that the city should not give money towards programs that claim to be for the public, but then blatantly discriminate against certain groups of people.

The boy scouts did it to themselves, the city gave them an option, either stop discriminating, or start paying for the space the city was giving you for next to NOTHING. You can't expect a city to give handouts to you so you can "help the public" when you are in fact discriminating against a sizable portion of the public. You can't use the money from gay taxpayers to underwrite an organization that openly hates gays (they can spin it anyway they want, bottom line is they hate gays)

Say what you want about the shootings and such but to say that philadelphia "Took a way from an organization that provides boys and young men with solid role models." I guess your idea of a good role model is a freeloading homophobe...

As for the topic on hand. EL made tons of promises to the city and once their financial issues hit the fan everything went to shit. It's not even your typically bureaucracy holding things up, its the fact that EL is hemorrhaging and nothing in the foreseeable future is going to change that for them at this point.

Can't blame EL, if they finish the network and keep to their promises, they will be deeper in the hole when they are forced to sell the infrastructure to the lowest bidder

N3OGH
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Re: Did They Survive The Trip?

Well, you're entitled to your opinion. I respect that.

The government uses my tax money to underwrite plenty of things I don't agree with. And I'm not talking about the war, or social programs, or whatever. All layers of government are rife with it.

The city absolutely has the right to kick them out of the building. I think it stinks, but I'm not saying they don't have the right.

Conversely, the scouts have the right, as a private organization to exclude anyone they wish from membership.

So both organizations are well within their rights.

On the other hand, I won't stop paying my taxes tomorrow if the gay and lesbian association sets up shop in a government owned building, and excludes straight people from being a member of their organization. I see these issues not as black and white, but shades of gray.

Do the Scouts exclude homosexuals? Sure they do. Is that right? I don't think so. I don't think people should go around trumpeting their sexual orientation at the top of their lungs. I don't go around telling everyone I like women. I just am who I am, and I keep it to myself.

Given the totality of the circumstances, and knowing Philly politics, as I'm sure you know them as well, living in West Chester. This was done for the purpose of political grandstanding.

In the end, I think the Scouts do more good than bad. Philadelphia is nothing short of a mess right now, and Street can't exit stage right fast enough. I hope Nutter does a better job. He seems like a pretty decent guy, as far as politicians go.

But, the fact remains that Philly is a city in crisis. Primarily due to the result of fatherless African American boys who fall victim to street life.

If we have an organization that can help some of these boys escape the dead end of life on the streets, even if that program has some flaws, or things we don't agree with, I say we should support that organization.

I'm sure you don't agree, and that's fine. I've said my peace. I have to run, so I wont be back tonight....
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Excuse me?
I live in the far western burbs and work in SW Philly.
Your comments about "fatherless children" is so ignorant and racist I can't believe you are in law enforcement.
The parents in these neighborhoods have to work so hard to keep their children away from the lure of easy money that selling drugs and being a thug I feel for them. It's the damn drone of the so-called hip-hop music that preaches this message to them. I am down in the trenches with these God fearing people every day doing my best to provide their children computers so they can educate themselves out of the place they are in however little a part I play. I have seen many, many do so and that's enough for me. Not looking for kudos on DSLR. The kids who go on to great respectful lives makes it worthwhile to me.

BTW I have dozens of true friends who are in Philly law enforcement.
You wouldn't last long if you really had to do police work in Philly. You can take that to the bank

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Re: Did They Survive The Trip?

Hate to say it, but you more or less made his point. It's not a racist comment he made, but a rather true one. The ones you are speaking of are getting what they need to stay on the right path, both from parents that care and people like yourself. Not that a single mother can't raise children by herself, but having a caring father around only makes it easier and gives a greater chance of success. It's the ones that don't get it the tend to be the ones that succumb to the easy money, thug, and drug life. These "men" then go on to have kids, and what are the kids left with? If the guy sticks around, the kid learns from a thug and drug dealer how to be a man. If the guy takes off, the kid probably has no immediate positive male role models to teach him. The kid most likely loses either way. Do good kids go bad? Sure. But the kids that are never even given a real chance stand to most likely turn bad at a higher rate.

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Re: Did They Survive The Trip?

Pretty much the way I see it.

Voyager2k2, You can personally attack me, but I'm not going to bite, it's not who I am. I know who I am, what I can handle, and what I can't.

I'm not looking to knock any particular race, religion, creed, or person. I have nothing but respect for single parents who are trying to raise decent children in a hostile environment. It's not easy.

But to go off on your righteously indignant diatribe is nothing but pure hyperbole. I feel for single folks trying to raise decent children, but children need role models.

The fact is, a lack of positive male role models has led to the carnage we witness on the streets of Philadelphia today 400+ murders AGAIN this year.

Plenty of children raised under rough circumstances go on to make very good and respectful lives for themselves, but unfortunately a lot of them don't.

All I'm saying (in a nutshell) is children who have positive role models more often have brigther futures than kids who don't. Race, background, religion, etc matters not. An adult at the side of a child to help them through to adulthood is paramount to that child's future.

Besides, you have no damn clue what race I am. Have you ever met me, or saw me in public, or seen a picture of me? Didn't think so. You ASSUMED I was lily white based on my opinion.

Just slightly prejudiced, 'eh??
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Voyager2K2

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Re: Did They Survive The Trip?

Screw you.
I am trying to solve the problem.
Both of you are doing shit but making uninformed comment.
N3OGH PM me and I will let you meet some real cops.
My Dad was a township supervisor for over decade in Tredyffrin twp and oversaw the PD in that township.
Do I need to go in to the racist history of Tredyffrin PD?

BTW I am white as a sheet. I just know what goes on in this troubled part of Philly and how hard 99% of the parents of their babies work to get their kids out of here.
That's the reality of what goes on here in SW Philly.
It's very sad, but vast majority of the community including the local churches are doing everything they can to save the children here.
So STFU 'cause both of you don't know beans about what goes on in Philly.

It's sad but the community is working on it.
The voters in Philly hope mayor elect Nutter will help get the young thugs off the street regardless of who their parent(s) are.

Anyone reading this post should get on their knees and thank God that they did not have to grow up in an environment like SW Philly. That's why I help

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Re: Did They Survive The Trip?

And someone as blind as yourself I'm sure is making all the difference. You can't debate points that were made and instead resort to unwarranted name calling and insults. Some role model.
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said by russotto:

Don't be silly, it's still cop season in Philly, not executive season. That doesn't start until January.
not funny dude, not funny at all....
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either that or they are stranded in the Philly airport....that's been known to happen a bit.
jcpsu86

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or maybe they are stranded in the Philly airport. Quick, someone go look in the US Airways terminals.......

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Farewell

The only life this company has if ISPs resell their networks to them, and like stated above nexgen networks won't. And If it wasn't for "Bring Your Own Access" with AOL (Is that what's it's still called?) they'd be on the same boat.
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Strange contract

They have Earthlink building it, a non-profit called Philadelphia Wireless running it, yet Earthlink is able to re-sell bandwidth to businesses for profit?

Its no doubt they will be late finishing it as its a non-traditional type of network topography for a city, in that its a mesh network which is still developing protocols for 3rd generation service.

Something we must not be hearing about all this and thier "confidential agreements" with other providers.

""While we are sensitive to the city's concern about the future of the project, we are not able to provide complete answers because of confidentiality agreements with other providers that may have an interest in this network and our status as a publicly traded company," the company said in an unsigned statement submitted to the Committee on Technology and Information Services."
»www.philly.com/philly/news/local···371.html

Looks like they are deliberatly stalling the project so it can become insolvent.
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Re: Strange contract

said by gaforces:

They have Earthlink building it, a non-profit called Philadelphia Wireless running it, yet Earthlink is able to re-sell bandwidth to businesses for profit?
This is just business as usual for the Philadelphia city government. I'm surprised the mayor's brother isn't secretly "running" things.

*Cough*Notlim*Cough*
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Mindspring VOIP

I have Earthlink True Voice Phone Service. Up until yesterday I was able to use the "Mindspring" PC to PC and PC to Phone service to place phone calls. Now, no connection is made to the user on the other phone, but it does ring to their number. I know my mic/headset works. The mindspring.net website just re-routes back to the main earthlink page. Tried to get an answer on the customer service "chat" and was told to call the toll free number, which basically refers back to the main Earthlink support.

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can we all agree now that

Muni WiFi is a disaster and a waste of taxpayer money.

This will be a tough thing for Karl and DSLreports to do, but with some courage...you can do it.

Just say it. Repeat after me...

Muni WiFi is a disaster and a waste of taxpayer money.
jervin123

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Not speed

The network is horrible in most places. I sometimes occur speeds above 700ms-2000ms and sub-dial up speeds on their "high-speed" network

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patcat88

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cable internet

Doesn't Earthlink still have its Cable Internet on TW's network business? Proves you can have ISP competition on DOCSIS systems.