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Mount Airy, MD | Wow... Bush is Screwed Now! There goes his re-election.
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| Re: Wow... Bush is Screwed Now! ...unless corporate america wants the monkey for a few more years. then they'll just manage to create some reason for him to stay in power as a de facto dictator until they decide for him to "be put to rest"....
thank god america has enough intelligent people to preven....what am i saying? to quote bender, "We're Boned". | |
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Fredericksburg, VA | We need taxpayer funded broadband. That way, the true cost to us all is hidden and we all think we'll have cheap broadband just like the other countries (Shhh, don't tell anyone they are socialist countries with 40-50+% tax rates). | |
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| Re: Wow... Bush is Screwed Now! said by mglunt  :(Shhh, don't tell anyone they are socialist countries with 40-50+% tax rates). Go higher, you're being generous 
Anyway, I get a kick out of these "objectives:"
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1. The creation of an organized national broadband strategy with measurable benchmarks.
Why is this needed? This group already knows that our broadband "sucks."
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2. The development of policies that ease the transition from analog to digital.
Analog to digital what? Do these clowns even know what they are talking about?
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3. A plan for closing the digital divide and bringing broadband to those who can most benefit.
What digital divide? We have people on welfare living in furnished apartments with hardwood floors and 60" TVs already.
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ARGONAUT
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| Re: Wow... Bush is Screwed Now! I honestly don't know which is worse, lazy welfare mamas or filthy-rich investors that shop around looking for some city willing to build a free factory, give them free land, water, sewer and 50 year tax breaks. Of course, the city has to tax the hell out of all the $10/hr employees to pay for it all. At the end of the day I guess it doesn't matter, it's always the W2 wage earner that pays the freight for both groups of blood-sucking leeches. | |
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Banks, OR | Re: Wow... Bush is Screwed Now! said by WageSlave629414 :
I honestly don't know which is worse, lazy welfare mamas ... Can you name at least one "lazy welfare mama"? | |
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Beverly Hills, CA | Re: Wow... Bush is Screwed Now! Keisha Jones, Elvira Sanchez... (yes I made up those names but you get my drift) | |
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Silver Spring, MD | Re: Wow... Bush is Screwed Now! So black's an latino's the only demographic on welfare these days?
And here I am thinking the Appalachian people were hill billy Latino! Stupid me! | |
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| Re: Wow... Bush is Screwed Now! said by FiL :So black's an latino's the only demographic on welfare these days? How dare you say such a vile thing? black and latina women work harder than any other race of women in the US... to even suggest that they just sit around and push out welfare babies is absurd!
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roc5955
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| (begin sarcasm)Those hillbilly Latinos and African-Americans sure are taking all our tax dollars! NEVER would a Caucasian person get welfare! (end sarcasm)
IMNSHO, I think that we should stop the current Corporate Welfare State. The one where large corporations are paid big bucks to move jobs overseas! Oh, and these people, they're generally lily-white!
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| said by PDXPLT :Can you name at least one "lazy welfare mama"? Good point! It would be easier to find the names of billionaire investors that receive corporate welfare. | |
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| ha... ya know, as much as i was raised to distrust governments in general, i think that the design/building/implementation of a nationwide government funded fiber optic infastructure would actually do this country a lot of good. Here's Why.
1) far. far. less. waiting for buildout.
2) even the playing field a bit as far as service providing goes, as EVERY ISP would have to buy their time wholesale from the government.
yeah. it'll never happen, of course, but that's part of the reason that so many other countries have "cheap" broadband. tho, the 40-50% tax rate statement seems a bit high to me, i'd place it closer to 30-40%... though, on top of that, the american 40 hour workweek is considered "insane" by most of the rest of the world, so go figure.
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| said by mglunt :(Shhh, don't tell anyone they are socialist countries with 40-50+% tax rates). Gee, how much do you pay here in the United States between State and Federal income taxes, local property taxes and sales taxes? It seems that here in New York we have to work at least half a year to pay all the taxes we owe and we do not get all the benefits the "socialist" countries get. | |
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| said by mglunt :(Shhh, don't tell anyone they are socialist countries with 40-50+% tax rates). Which countries you're talking about? USSR had (and Russia still has) flat tax rate of 13%. | |
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| said by mglunt :We need taxpayer funded broadband. That way, the true cost to us all is hidden and we all think we'll have cheap broadband just like the other countries (Shhh, don't tell anyone they are socialist countries with 40-50+% tax rates). History's roads are paved with ubiquitous anti-socialist rhetoric shortly before the peanut gallery spouting said rhetoric wake up to fascism. It's a slam dunk. | |
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| said by pnh102 :There goes his re-election. I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but Bush cannot be re-elected anyway. A president can't seek more than 2 consecutive terms. I don't live in the USA, but I'm pretty sure that's what I have heard many times before. | |
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benc
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| Re: Wow... Bush is Screwed Now! said by metalhawk :said by pnh102 :There goes his re-election. I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but Bush cannot be re-elected anyway. A president can't seek more than 2 consecutive terms. I don't live in the USA, but I'm pretty sure that's what I have heard many times before. I do live in the U.S., and you are correct. The maximum is two 4-year terms and 10 years. Why the 10 years? Well, if something happens to the president the vice president takes over the remainder of the term. If there's fewer than two years left, that vice president can still have two terms, theoretically.
Funny thing is, back in the day it was the Republicans who pushed for that law, in response to FDR, who got elected four times and died in office during his fourth term. Truman took over, though since three years remained in that term, Truman could only be elected once, since a second time meant 11 years, which would violate the new law. | |
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USA | It was sarcasm. He likes to do that. | |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| The market has all the answers... The ONLY things that have happened over the past 8 years is that the major telephone and cable companies have tightened their grip on the LAST MILE infrastructure with a dirty dozen major companies (4 telco, 8 cableco) taking 95-99% of the pie. The rest will die the tiny paper cuts of death sooner or later! Inclusive of this are ALL major and minor VOIP companies(feeling the STING yet vonage?) | |
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texans20
Weapons of Masturbation
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| Re: The market has all the answers... said by tmc8080 :The ONLY things that have happened over the past 8 years is that the major telephone and cable companies have tightened their grip on the LAST MILE infrastructure with a dirty dozen major companies (4 telco, 8 cableco) taking 95-99% of the pie. The rest will die the tiny paper cuts of death sooner or later! Inclusive of this are ALL major and minor VOIP companies(feeling the STING yet vonage?) They built the networks, they get to keep the fruit of their labor. Over the past many years our local Time Warner has invested millions of dollars to upgrade the system. I don't really care for Time Warner, but why in the hell should the government force them to share what they did?
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| Re: The market has all the answers... said by texans20 :I don't really care for Time Warner, but why in the hell should the government force them to share what they did? Because you need to think of the children!
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| said by texans20 :They built the networks, they get to keep the fruit of their labor. Over the past many years our local Time Warner has invested millions of dollars to upgrade the system. I don't really care for Time Warner, but why in the hell should the government force them to share what they did? So why should government built networks that cost millions of dollars be required to share what they have or even give away useage to private companies rather than individuals?
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| Re: The market has all the answers... said by firephoto :said by texans20 :They built the networks, they get to keep the fruit of their labor. Over the past many years our local Time Warner has invested millions of dollars to upgrade the system. I don't really care for Time Warner, but why in the hell should the government force them to share what they did? So why should government built networks that cost millions of dollars be required to share what they have or even give away useage to private companies rather than individuals? The street goes both ways you know... What? What networks have the government built? I sure didn't see the Federal Cable and Fiber Comission digging up holes in my neighborhood several years ago laying brand new cable. I did see Time Warner contractors though.
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1 edit | one of the latest examples of that grip is the initiative started in Minnesota to roll out more "rural fiber", only to be squashed like a bug by none other than Qwest (went something like-- after they had jumped thru all of the myriad hoops for federal, state, and local environment reg's, the whole thing came to a halt when Qwest somehow stopped them from accessing a critical section of infrastructure by denying them access thru a DAMNED MANHOLE!) My question has always been, if "big network" companies such as Qwest are so omnipresent, why are they so fearful of "small network" efforts just to simply fill in gaps that they obviously show NO effort or interest in filling? It has never made any sense to me.... then again, since I graduated college with only a BS degree, that's exactly all I know... BS.... | |
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clubs: | Alliteration You couldn't make that alliteration continue for one more word? How about "Benton Berates Bush on Broadband Benchmarks"?
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Brooklyn, NY | The key The key to the broadband strategy is a smarter consumer. Look at the Japanese, Koreans and Europeans. They know more and demand more. Most Americans dont know the difference btw Fiber optic, Coaxil Cable, GSM and CDMA. | |
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| Re: The key said by special13 :The key to the broadband strategy is a smarter consumer. Look at the Japanese, Koreans and Europeans. They know more and demand more. Most Americans dont know the difference btw Fiber optic, Coaxil Cable, GSM and CDMA. That's pure and simple BS. Almost nobody knows the different between fiber optic and coaxial cable, nor how GSM works compared to CDMA, because they don't need to know, nor do they care. The only thing that matters is the end result, the medium for getting it there is irrelevant to 99% of the world.
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| Re: The key said by BillRoland :said by special13 :The key to the broadband strategy is a smarter consumer. Look at the Japanese, Koreans and Europeans. They know more and demand more. Most Americans dont know the difference btw Fiber optic, Coaxil Cable, GSM and CDMA. That's pure and simple BS. Almost nobody knows the different between fiber optic and coaxial cable, nor how GSM works compared to CDMA, because they don't need to know, nor do they care. The only thing that matters is the end result, the medium for getting it there is irrelevant to 99% of the world. As long as it works, I really don't give a s***!
By the way, genius, why the hell are GSM carriers more expensive than CDMA carriers? GSM is supposed to be cheaper but I don't see it in rate plans.
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| Technology is irrelevant as long as it works and for most US citizens, the current technology works just fine. That's why you don't see huge build outs or super big throughputs of 100 Mbps to each house in the US. The demand simply isn't there...regardless of what BBR goers say. | |
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USA | Re: The key Oh yea, it's "good enough". | |
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join:2005-11-19
Nampa, ID
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| Here is something I think should be law... Your opinion? Ok, here is a law that I think would help things out. I actually think this should have kicked in in the early 90's.
Every single time any service is run to a house, there should be a law that a 12-pair run of fiber be laid along side the service. Even if it is expected that the run may never be used, it should be put in.
So, for example.. the cable company installs into a new house - they run their standard coax, but along side they put in a run of fiber. Cable company runs a line to repair what you chopped up installing your sprinkler line? They put in coax/fiber. Gas company putting in a hose from the curb? The hose has the 12 pair fiber built in.
All new homes and neighborhoods have a fiber network. If you get phone, cable, gas, water, sewer, electrical service put in - you get fiber too.
The country develops future micro-TBM systems for retro-fitting fiber runs to a house.
The nation sits down and develops ISO standards for how every install is done, and a insanely fast mesh and load balance enabled router/switch/head end system is developed that will be required to be used by all the vendors and property owners. Via mass production, it could have a cost as low as $30. Advanced plastic fiber would also be used to keep the costs low. Each fiber pair would utilize cheap mass produced 100GbE (gigabit ethernet) 32nm chipsets as the communication protocol. By default, each home would mesh interconnect to 2 peers offering failover and redundancy.
In summary, we basically make it a national effort to eventually have 9x% percent of homes fiber interconnected by 2030.
Sorry I scribbled down this idea - I know it has a crazy tone and flaws.. but you get my drift. There is no time like now to start ensuring that we have the bandwidth needed in the future. | |
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Boon, MI | Re: Here is something I think should be law... Your opinion? Yay fiber for me in 30 years.
I'm not exactly educated on anything on this site, so don't value my opinion. | |
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Banks, OR | That won't do any good. Verizon ran fiber through this neighborhood 15 years ago, and still refuses to provide us with broadband. | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Is everyone in Bush's admin stupid? "That goal has yet to be achieved although the acting administrator of the National Telecommunications and Information Administration stated last month that she “believed” the goal had been met."
Now I'm 99.9999% positive my best friend that lives 4 miles from town still only has dial-up as a choice for internet. | |
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Boon, MI | hey hey hey I live 5 miles from town. | |
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Is everyone in Bush's admin stupid? Sadly, it does appear to be the vast majority of them are... or just don't care. (I suspect #2) | |
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roc5955
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Rosendale, NY | The simple answer is YES! | |
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TamaraB
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Brooklyn NYC | Another Lie
From the Liar-In-Chief!
The first Pathological liar and psychopath to illegally occupy the white house!
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Rosendale, NY | Re: Another Lie It must be snowing in hell. I agree with you on that one Bob!
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| Your slip is showing LOL, I am always amazed at how Bush Derangement Syndrome affects people and turns them to idiots. What year did he say that? In case anyone should want a clue look to Congress who actually enacts legislation to where the blame lies.... but that doesn't fit the agenda does it because who runs it? Oh yeah, democRAT(ic)s.
LOL, pulzeeze, your slip is showing.
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Woodside, NY
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| Rural Electrification Act Hey can't they push broadband via the REA, the Cat5 carries electricity doesn't it.
The Feds could own the network and lease it to providers, and give themselves cheap wholesale access for city, state, schools, and government buildings.
The land mass of the US is around 3,500 miles, and they could work it in a hub and spoke configuration
It could cost Americans pennies in infrastructure costs. Fiber costs about a penny a foot, check it out
»www.provantage.com/black-exn1004···X148.htm
So wiring 3,500 miles with fiber would cost about $2 billion to implement. Imagine how many home based business you would create.
It would be a boon for the economy.
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Why would I want DSL? I have FTTH
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| Well We have free enterprise, what do you expect? They'll do business wherever they want. Let's continue to let monopolies grow that only want broadband in more urbanized areas. Unless you start issuing grants to cover the cost of deployment, big name companies just aren't going to give a shit.
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1 edit | Re: Well said by dslwanter :We have free enterprise, what do you expect? They'll do business wherever they want. Let's continue to let monopolies grow that only want broadband in more urbanized areas. Unless you start issuing grants to cover the cost of deployment, big name companies just aren't going to give a shit. Exactly, and why the hell should they? They're in business to make money, not pretend like they give two shits about poor areas and neighborhoods.
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Why would I want DSL? I have FTTH
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| Re: Well said by furlonium :And why the hell should they? They're in business to make money, not pretend like they give two shits about poor areas and neighborhoods. My thoughts exact my friend, at least I hope that's what you understood by reading my post because that's what I meant.
If the government wants nationwide broadband, they're going to have to work with companies to make it possible. I know here in Ohio they're working on a plan to either build municipal networks or issue grants to cable and phone companies to deploy.
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| American Telcom has it good Bush wouldn't know the difference between copper and Fiber plus he's so detached from real American. We need a President that is interested in real technology and how it affects the American Economy.
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| Socialism is Broadband Hi. I do not live in the USA. I come frome one of those social "20%tax" Countries in "old europe". We have Broadband even in the smalles villages around... since years. Im realy shocked to hear that many americans dont have this kind of luxury yet. Well, maybe you should not spend too much money in war.
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