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join:2001-03-30
New Durham, NH
| hmm I must have missed that area that already has free wifi when I was lost in San Fransisco last month.
I definitely could have benefited, lol
I'll take a free one to setup free wifi where I live.....doubt anyone would hop on it tho.
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join:2002-12-04
USA
| Re: Giving away WiFi to neighbors breaks TOS for most ISPs It would be difficult to enforce the proposed federal legislation that was circulating the news recently. The one which would fine joe6pack with open access points 150k for potentially allowing child porn d/l porn and whatever else the gov't doesn't like.
People already pay for their internet connection. Billing-by-the-byte would either kill the internet, or seriously castrate it. That would be a very stupid model at this point. | |
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What...me panic??
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join:2004-09-30
Happy Camp
1 edit | said by LiamJunket  :I don't imagine this will fly with most(not all) ISPs. I expect that one or more ISPs will make a point of disconnecting a number of users and publicizing that fact to scare off the majority of users from taking part. I guess you didn't see this:
The San Francisco network, for example, can feature one DSL line that supports anywhere from 10 to 50 repeaters. With the mesh structure, Meraki also can reroute traffic to avoid any malfunctioning antennas. This gives the network stability and reach at a low cost. With the San Francisco project, Meraki also will pay for the Internet access so users won't be asked to share their personal Internet connection.
»www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c···ype=tech
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
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2 edits | This is San Francisco yer talkin about, if the ISP's don't co-operate, they will get backlash from the gay right's groups. If the city chooses to allow this, not much ISP's can do if a majority of the city shuns them, they are out of business there.
A good portion of SF is already covered by the university wireless.
Meraki has an advantage as they are the hardware supplier, and the network operator. If they can make their business model work there, it will work in other city's.
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Gilitar
join:2000-11-20
Mobile, AL
·AT&T Southeast
| Not fair to ISPs I don't normally side with large corporations, but I see where this is going. I don't blame ISPs for getting upset about this (and they will be). It doesn't seem right to charge a single dwelling consumer pricing only to have them provide access for multiple addresses. | |
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join:2002-12-04
USA
| Re: Not fair to ISPs You've got a good point, but there is the other side of the issue. People pay for a specific speed tier that they can use any way they see fit. I used to provide a free wireless AP limited to 56k. I thought it would be nice for an emergency. If someone wanted to reserve a room online, or move some money around their bank accounts. Maybe even find better direction online. Stuff like that. I stopped only because I moved and there was already a free wireless AP in the area provided by the local coffe shop. Sometimes it's good to be nice. | |
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guhuna
R.I.P Mike
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join:2001-03-31
Birds Landing, CA | Bleh. Who gives a shit about ISPs. All they do is take your money and give you a 5th of what you paid for.
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DaneJasper
Sonic.Net
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join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
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| Re: Bleh. said by guhuna :No problem.  BTW my ISP would LOVE for me to set this unit up in my home. In fact my ISP is selling the same exact unit! I see cable CO's complaining about this. » public.meraki.com/network/Sonic.netWiFi We're doing this in partnership with our customers - sharing the cost of the hardware, and any revenue from the Wi-Fi network.
The upside is that we know the IPs that the hardware is on, and can shield our customers when subpoenas come our way. We know it's Wi-Fi use (and the MAC address of the "bad" user), so law enforcement can be pointed the right direction.
Also, by sharing any revenue, we cover the ISP costs (bandwidth and ATM capacity), while also compensating the customer for hosting it.
What Meraki's "Free the Net" initiative is doing is different. There is no partnership with the provider and no revenue share to the customer/host either. I'm not sure that's sustainable.
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join:2000-09-28
Richmond, VA | Re: Bleh. Nice work. I'm glad to see ISPs like Sonic.net offering these types of services. It is a win for the company on their customers. | |
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LiamJunket
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join:2002-03-03
Ocean City, NJ
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| Re: Bleh. said by guhuna :Who gives a shit about ISPs. All they do is take your money and give you a 5th of what you paid for. I hope people set these up in their homes. And I hope the ISPs disconnect their service if they do.
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join:2003-08-22
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| Re: Bleh. said by LiamJunket :And I hope the ISPs disconnect their service if they do. I second that.
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join:2002-12-04
USA
1 edit | said by LiamJunket :said by guhuna :Who gives a shit about ISPs. All they do is take your money and give you a 5th of what you paid for. I hope people set these up in their homes. And I hope the ISPs disconnect their service if they do. You're being true to form! Happy New Year! | |
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John Galt
What...me panic??
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join:2004-09-30
Happy Camp
| said by LiamJunket :And I hope the ISPs disconnect their service if they do. I guess you didn't see this:
The San Francisco network, for example, can feature one DSL line that supports anywhere from 10 to 50 repeaters. With the mesh structure, Meraki also can reroute traffic to avoid any malfunctioning antennas. This gives the network stability and reach at a low cost. With the San Francisco project, Meraki also will pay for the Internet access so users won't be asked to share their personal Internet connection.
»www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c···ype=tech
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mocycler
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join:2001-01-22
Naperville, IL
·AT&T Midwest
| I hope my dumbass neighbor puts one of these up so I can dump my DSL and get a free ride off him.
The ISP's may not care now, but if this idea takes off you can bet they will go fishing for these things and shut them down.
Maybe those who think this is such a wonderful idea won't mind letting the neighbors borrow their car, washing machine, lawnmower....
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grumpy3b
join:2001-12-11
Lompoc, CA
·DSL EXTREME
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| Is this even legal to share your ISP connection? Is this even allowed my most, if not all, end user agreements with the various ISP's? Most, if not all, of those I have read explicitly prohibit the sharing of your connection with anyone beyond the location it is installed. And they also state something to the effect that one cannot act as a "hotspot" for the neighborhood.
I am curious how this could even be legal. At best it would seem an act of large scale civil disobedience. | |
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join:2003-08-22
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| Re: Is this even legal to share your ISP connection? said by grumpy3b :Is this even allowed my most, if not all, end user agreements with the various ISP's? Most, if not all, of those I have read explicitly prohibit the sharing of your connection with anyone beyond the location it is installed. And they also state something to the effect that one cannot act as a "hotspot" for the neighborhood. I am curious how this could even be legal. At best it would seem an act of large scale civil disobedience. You are correct; most residential (and even business class) broadband specifically prohibits setting up a hotspot. The only exceptions I've seen are some DSL providers such as Speakeasy. Further, there are things such as CALEA compliance to take into consideration. I wouldn't care about pissing off my ISP nearly as much as I'd worry about pissing off the government.
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join:2002-12-04
USA | Re: Is this even legal to share your ISP connection? Yes, because we should be afraid of our government. 8-| | |
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join:2003-08-22
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| Re: Is this even legal to share your ISP connection? said by jjeffeory :Yes, because we should be afraid of our government. 8-| We live in screwed up times. That's why I'm voting for Ron Paul -- he's obviously a longshot, but if we can get him into office I'm hopeful he'll be able to pull us out of the "Surveillance State" direction that we're inching towards.
Just my $.02 worth. 
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join:2003-08-22
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| I love these units It's a funny coincidence that these guys made the front page of DSLR today (again)... I just placed an order with them this morning! 
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jlsjrf29
join:2002-05-12
San Jose, CA
| there lack support when needed I purchased a handful of meraki products and I can speak first hand...the product doesnt live up to the standards they claim. They pretty much have control of the units once you get them up. Try to get support and mark my words GOOD LUCK.
Ya you have some control but they have majority of the control. If they go belly up...your units become worthless radios... Personally I stopped using the product and ebay the stuff. Been 5 months and still havent gotten 1 response to the 5 emails I have sent. Visit there Mt.View office and it looks like a fly by night outfit. 
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viperm
Carpe Diem
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join:2002-07-09
Winchester, CA
1 edit | Re: there lack support when needed This is yet another start up trying to make money off stupid VC who have no idea of how things really work.
These things are just toys in comparison to the things us REAL WISPS do and have done for cities, cutomers and many others for many years.
People seem to think they can come in with a $199 solution and have it work flawlessly. There is a reason that you spend thousands per nodes such as tropos, firetide etc to build a true mesh system. There is research and development costs involved with making things WORK correctly and they put a guarentee behind it. Like the previous post above over 2 weeks without a single response for support!
I can call any one of my vendors and get a live person most any day of the week and someties even after hours.
Those that put their bets on this company are as stupid as the VC's funding them the money. Give our company the money and we will show you what can really be done with REAL equipment.
It seems that these start-ups find some good bullshitter to convince VC's to throw money thier way based on a pipe dream when the VC's have no clue about wireless and how it REALLY works!
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@comcast.net | Re: there lack support when needed If you reflash the Meraki's to DD-WRT v24 RC6.2, you WILL find it to more useful than the default firmware | |
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Meraki Pushes For Free Wi-Fi in San Fran
Giving away WiFi to neighbors breaks TOS for most ISPs