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Homestead, FL | Cost? Figuring at $150/battery (conservative), probably more, just the batteries alone will set them back over $2.5M. That should be about a $1.00 raise per customer.
This is not including overtime, battery disposal, and other installation issues. | |
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London, ON | Re: Cost? said by lordfly:That should be about a $1.00 raise per customer. Don't worry, it'll show up under "battery recovery fee". So you'll still be on the $34.99 plan technically. | |
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Valencia, CA | Re: Cost? LOL 
I would not be surprised.
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kudos:1 | When you think about it though, with the current state of our civil courts, $2.5M to replace them all is a small price to pay. If even one person gets a cut on their pinky from a piece of flying debris after one explodes, they'd be paying out 10 times that on the lawsuit.
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join:2007-01-11 | said by Raptor:said by lordfly:That should be about a $1.00 raise per customer. Don't worry, it'll show up under "battery recovery fee". So you'll still be on the $34.99 plan technically. "Stored Power Cost Recovery Fee" sounds much vaguer and more likely to be used.  | |
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| |  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Tulsa, OK | said by Raptor:Don't worry, it'll show up under "battery recovery fee". So you'll still be on the $34.99 plan technically. Negative. They would never be so clear. It would be something like "Public safety mandate recovery fee" or "Liability offset cost recovery fee" or something to make it look like it's another Government fee or tax.
Personally, I think it should come right out of the stock dividends... but that's me.
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London, ON | Re: Cost? said by KrK:Personally, I think it should come right out of the stock dividends... but that's me. You'll never be a CEO with such backwards thinking | |
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London, ON | Needs more spin They should spin it into a PR boost.
If you're a lucky customer who lives on a street we've rigged with celebratory customer satisfaction fireworks and they go off, you win U-Verse service for 1 year free*!!
*Free only if you or a member of the residence sustains injury from the winners fireworks. By accepting the service all subsequent rights to file suit are waived.
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Springville, AL | AT&T will pass on the bill... Now appearing on your AT&T bill:
Battery Replacement Fee - $3.29
Environment Handling Fee - $1.30 | |
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kudos:1 | Sounds like it will be another line item AT&T will probably just add this to your bill:
Avestor Battery Replacement - $2.99 | |
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Niles, OH | Well You have to admit it would be cool to see one combust. | |
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Northwood, OH | Ouch Hate to be someone standing next to that when it goes off. But 4 in 2 years isn't that bad. That is a extremely small failure rate. With zero mortality rate thus far. | |
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Saxapahaw, NC | Re: Ouch Except for the fact that AT&T has been so hell bent on butting them right up to people's homes, fences, yards, etc. So even 1 failure is not acceptable as it damages non-AT&T property.
If they want to blow things up in their own COs and ruin their own property, so be it.
But when they have equipment causing damage to private property, they are open to potentially substantial liabilities. And if someone can prove they knowingly did not take action to prevent such from happening, that's a lawsuit mega-judgment just waiting to happen.
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Northwood, OH | Re: Ouch They should pass the liability off to the battery manufacturer. | |
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Northwood, OH | Re: Ouch HAHA! Isn't that convenient. So, your saying that people can start a business and sell substandard and dangerous parts then close shop and not be liable? | |
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Saxapahaw, NC | Re: Ouch Yep. That's exactly what we're saying.
Once the company files bankruptcy and liquidates, there is nothing left to file a claim against.
You can try to sue the company's principles/founders/former employees but most courts won't let you get far with that unless you can prove that specific person was personally responsible for the negligence.
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Northwood, OH | Re: Ouch The law is a joke. | |
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Tulsa, OK | said by wruckman:HAHA! Isn't that convenient. So, your saying that people can start a business and sell substandard and dangerous parts then close shop and not be liable? Uh that's the American way, man. Look at a lot of construction companies. They are shells. When the problems with defective home construction comes up down the road, they are gone, Hausta la vista, nobody to hold liable. Same with so many companies. Don't even start me talking about trucking companies....
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Northwood, OH | Re: Ouch No wonder why American made is always crap. | |
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»tyler.blogware.com/blog/_archive···013.html
"Another Canadian energy-storage player bites the dust. Avestor, a Boucherville, Quebec-based maker of lithium-metal-polymer batteries, has let go of 260 employees and closed the doors of its manufacturing plant just outside of Montreal." | |
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Ouch When they landed the at&t deal they probably thought they had it made, and the future was secured... but like many small companies find out when dealing with a monster company, is it's a lot like dancing with the devil. They can put you under and out in no time. Just ask many small manufacturers who made deals with Wal-Mart....
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Tulsa, OK | Actually, American made always isn't crap. In fact we engineer or introduce some of the very best made products, anywhere... in fact companies here in the USA are leading the world in advanced new battery design and future concepts.... problem is, while many foreign companies understand quality and reliability are important, and so start manufacturing them properly, here in the USA often COST is the most important factor, and ways to cut corners or make it cheaper are often sought after over quality and reliability... making them... well, as you put it, crap.
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Canonsburg, PA | The battery manufacturer went bankrupt in 2006! U-Verse is all about AT&T being cheap rather than biting the bullet and admitting they need more fiber. | |
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Saxapahaw, NC | Remember... the manufacturer went bankrupt. Avestor is g o n e. That left AT&T holding the bag alone.
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| Re: Ouch said by davoice: That left AT&T holding the bag alone. I wouldn't want to be holding that bag, it too might spontaneously combust.
Lithium, gotta love those reactive alkaline metals. 
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2 edits | Re: Ouch Problem is that damage may not be confined to the easement. If you find the rest of the photos from the documents events to date, you'll see it also caused some damage to surrounding home garages, siding, plant beds and fences. Those items are not within the easement.
You can see the melted home siding here:
»www.lightreading.com/document.as···10&site=
And what you also see in that photo is the new fence AT&T erected for the homeowner to replace the section that was blown out when the cabinet exploded. Had that been a car parked on the side of the house, they would have been replacing a front grill, hood and windshield instead of a fence. And if someone had been in the yard behind that fence when it happened they likely would be facing a wrongful death lawsuit.
To turn this into a major lawsuit and a PR nightmare, all that needed to happen was for that vinyl siding to catch fire and kill someone's sleeping child.
AT&T's lawyers aren't stupid. They see what's coming if these batteries aren't replaced and something else happens.
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Mullica Hill, NJ | i guess this is the cost of Explosive growth of a service....
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Friendly regulators and brand recognition simply cannot carry incompetence forever. Their stock is 'way overpriced IMHO.
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| | kaboom..more fees....thanks AT&T. i live in the area where the VRAD exploded and it is in a high traffic area of Wauwatosa, a suburb of Milwaukee. It is arrogance on AT&T's part to put these boxes so close to residences. Common sense is something they don't have when it comes to installing equipment.
Best thing to do if your service was down that day due to this is to contact them and ask for a credit on your bill since you were without your service for that period of time.
They will fight you tooth and nail, but if you were in that area where the DSLAM was affected it is your right to ask for it. | |
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| | | Re: kaboom..more fees....thanks AT&T. They need to provide emergency services. | |
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| | | said by g4brokemke:It is arrogance on AT&T's part to put these boxes so close to residences. Common sense is something they don't have when it comes to installing equipment. This is true...BUT, it's also childish to think it arrogant to place such things IN THE UTILITY EASEMENT. Where else would they put them ? Negotiate individual leases with property owners for every box ??
Now, just maybe if the home builders or subdivision developers didn't jam houses up against said easements, there would be more room.
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| | | Cabinets (RT) have been around since 1987,(retired now) in my 40 years with ATT, 20 dealing directly with cabinets, I have never seen a cabinet explode. Clearly this is a case of thermal runaway related to this avestor battery. I would like to know if these installations used thermal probes? | |
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North Richland Hills, TX | I wonder I wonder if this could be the cause of my sluggish dsl.
And computer reboots etc... As i think the RT im on has the Uverse equipment. | |
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North Richland Hills, TX | Re: I wonder & how do you know this???
The article mentions faulty eletrical. which could then emit back though the copper and i have found the Ma on my line excedding over 100Ma way out of the 22-24 Ma standerd | |
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| | |  guhuna5149.5Premium
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Antioch, CA | Re: I wonder dude, you need to step away from your computer.
Not everything is a fucking conspiracy. | |
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North Richland Hills, TX | Re: I wonder I never said a thing about a conspiracy....
In this tread of mine
»[XP] Can someone give any clues???
I have posted that ever since I am using a Cable connection I have not had any computer reboots.
So there must be some kind of connection.
Same hardware with the exception of the Modem. However if you read the other tread I ruled that out by swopping out the Netopia for a 2 wire unit I have and the problem still existed.
I mearly Asked/Suggested that maybee it is tied to my problem A simple explanation of the problem. As is the other suggestion of the Transformer that feeds it could also be the problem. FYI: straigh from A line technition for TXU electric maintence dept. you can **** things up under volting just as well as overvolting.
which could explain the 100,000's malformed packets I seen.
And you act like I am out right accusing Att of something.
And that is not the case here.
It is a well known fact that if the electrical is faulty or you are even getting undervoltage it could constanly reboot your computer. But that is not the case Here on location. As i have checked it with a True RMS meter and I have checked time and over the amperage on every circuit @ the location.
So its not to far fetched to assume that if the RT had a electrical problem it can be carried downline/upstream.
However you like to put it.
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| | | said by koma3504: I wonder if this could be the cause of my sluggish dsl. And computer reboots etc... As i think the RT im on has the Uverse equipment. No, don't even start with that. | |
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| | | | Re: I'll take all of those unwanted batteries I've already lost a limb. Do you think I'm scared of a little puff of smoke | |
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| | | | | Re: I'll take all of those unwanted batteries said by ninjatutle:I've already lost a limb. Do you think I'm scared of a little puff of smoke I don't about you, but third degree heat burns and chemical burns to match are enough of a deterrent. This coming from someone who has survived a house fire with only a serious dose of smoke inhalation. | |
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Northwood, OH | 50 feet? That isn't even the distance to a pitchers mound from home plate. Can't be that bad. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: 50 feet? said by wruckman:That isn't even the distance to a pitchers mound from home plate. Can't be that bad. Yeah well the pitcher isn't pitching metal shards either...
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Northwood, OH | Re: 50 feet? Ah, won't hurt that bad. It may feel good. | |
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Customer:What happen?
AT&T: Somebody set up us the bomb!
Customer: We get signal.
AT&T: What!
Customer: Main screen turn on.
Customer: It's you!!
FiOS: How are you gentlemen!!
FiOS: All your base are belong to us.
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Gautier, MS | Re: It had to be said.. said by Lyserjic:In A.D. 2005, fiber war was beginning... Customer:What happen? AT&T: Somebody set up us the bomb! Customer: We get signal. AT&T: What! Customer: Main screen turn on. Customer: It's you!! FiOS: How are you gentlemen!! FiOS: All your base are belong to us. FiOS: You are on the way to destruction. I lol'd so hard.
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| | battery if they built a passive fiber network (no electronics) in the field this would not happen. at&t is run by people that smoke battery acid. fiber to the home like verizon is the way to go! | |
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| | Fee for uncontrolled energy release No, it'll be the "Uncontrolled Energy Release Surcharge"  | |
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| | OH - Strongsville Batteries One of those boxes just blew up in Strongsville, OH like 2wks ago too! I haven't seen it yet, but most defiantly heard about it! | |
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| | >OH - Strongsville Batteries
Was this the cabinet fire on Misty Lake Drive in Sept 2007? Or do you mean a different one? If so that would be #5. Please post an address or other info if you have it.
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