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Owners say they have no idea where servers are...
(old news - 09:12AM Monday Jan 28 2008)
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BitTorrent portal The Pirate Bay has surpassed the 10 million user mark, the 10 million peers and 1 million torrents making it the largest p2p network or BitTorrent tracker ever. Where as many networks have collapsed from legal pressure, Sweden-based Pirate Bay traditionally laughs off legal threats.

A 2006 raid by Swedish authorities brought the tracker down briefly, though it was up again shortly with the outfit's server farm scattered around the globe (the press attention obviously only helped them grow). Of course the website operators are being charged in Sweden this week for being accessories in breaking copyright law.
"It's idiotic. There is no legal ground (for the charges)," Pirate Bay spokesman Peter Sunde told Reuters. . . Sunde said there were no plans to shut down the site in the event of a conviction. He said he, Svartholm and Neij were unaware of the location of Pirate Bay's current servers.
Of course the website does have some major name advertisers, who might not be thrilled with a conviction.

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beerbum
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hmm

it's deja vu all over again

»The Pirate Bay: World’s Largest BitTorrent Tracker

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Re: hmm

It isn't, period. And there's nothing US or US corporate shills can do about it, hahaha...
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Point?

haven't we gone through this a hundred times already?

Least I don't care if TPB goes down, theres others I use, and when theirs go down, I use even more "others"...lol.

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Worldwide?

10 million worldwide?

That's .0015% of the worldwide population .... and torrents are killing the Music and Movie industry?

I think that's proof that crappy music, crappy movies, and a crappy distribution model are killing their respective industries, not bittorrent.

rudnicke
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Re: Worldwide?

I agree. Hollywood has been pumping out junk lately. The music just hurts my ears, and most of the movies are just boring.

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Re: Worldwide?

Normally I'd laugh and ask "grandpa if he needs some more salve for his ears to soothe that new-fangled music" but the sad fact is that not even kids today like todays music.

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Re: Worldwide?

I agree I'm 18 and I listen to more classic rock then new stuff because the new stuff sucks.
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said by rudnicke See Profile :

I agree. Hollywood has been pumping out junk lately. The music just hurts my ears, and most of the movies are just boring.
Lately = past 20-25 years? If so then I agree.
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Re: Worldwide?

Well, I don't think that's fair to say. The Smashing Pumpkins, Greenday, the Offspring are a few bands from that era that I've always enjoyed listening to. The problem comes with the recent idea of manufactured bands thrown together by executives, like the Spice Girls, Back Street Boys, the Monkees... well, I guess the idea isn't that recent, but it seems more mainstream than ever before.

Chiadi

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Re: Worldwide?

Let's face it. The machine is too big.
5 companies own ALL the music.
a WHOPPING TWO companies own all radio stations,
one of THOSE companies ALSO owns MOST concert promotion.
So, what do you get? - LCD Schlock. *For you youngsters, that's "Lowest Common Denominator".Hip Hop killed Rock. Rock does not sell. Both have one thing left in common... they both suck. FM radio is a pre-programmed wasteland of horseshit.
I know teens today who listen to old Punk music and READILY ADMIT music today sucks.... that's horrible. Kids are supposed to HATE their parent's music... AND VICE-VERSA!
LOL

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Re: Worldwide?

No wonder they're trying to stop "piracy", bands can now distribute and promote their music for free. No one NEEDS the recording industry anymore.

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said by Matt See Profile :

10 million worldwide?

That's .0015% of the worldwide population .... and torrents are killing the Music and Movie industry?

I think that's proof that crappy music, crappy movies, and a crappy distribution model are killing their respective industries, not bittorrent.
Killing? No.

The RIAA and MPAA blows things out of proportion thats for sure. Seeing their "losses" rack up into the billions of dollars is just outlandish.

Hurting? Yes.

Only a moron would say there is no negative effect from software/music/movie sales from torrents. I personally know a lot of people who use torrents for all their software, music, and movies and don't pay a dime for this material. Other than the burnable DVD to put it all on.

Somewhere in between lies the truth.

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Re: Worldwide?

According to NBC/Universal they're claiming "record performance" and near 50% profit margins.

Doesn't seem like "hurting" to me, or them, when they're talking to their investors.

Pirating only hurts sales IF the pirate would have otherwise purchased the goods had the pirated version not been available. What I seem commonly is that the person wouldn't have bought it under any circumstance, thus it doesn't cost them anything.

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Re: Worldwide?

said by Dogfather See Profile :

Pirating only hurts sales IF the pirate would have otherwise purchased the goods had the pirated version not been available. What I seem commonly is that the person wouldn't have bought it under any circumstance, thus it doesn't cost them anything.
Sorry, but I don't subscribe to that statement. In my opinion, if you are going to use the product, then you should buy it. Especially if you are using it for months and months on end. I personally know of 8 people who use Adobe Photoshop CS3 to do graphic editing. All of them have pirated it. A couple use it for their job since they take digital photographs for a profit. Now, if it wasn't available for pirating, would they have bought it? Well, if they are using the product for months and months on end, thats enough to tell me it has value to them.

All Intellectual Property has some kind of value to it to some people. You are right, most of the photography work I do people are not going to want to pay for. However, some companies do find a value in the service I provide and pay me for it. If my work was being distributed online for free like a software package, movie, or music CD, and people were using it for free without my consent, I would be pretty bent too.

The issue is that a lot of people who use these torrent sites are quick to point out the problems with the RIAA, MPAA, and think they are digital robin hoods. Thats the wrong attitude to take IMO.

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Re: Worldwide?

I'm not making a moral argument. I'm only arguing the numbers.

They don't lose money on a sale that they would never have made.

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Re: Worldwide?

The point is they would have made sales to the people that use it for work, but just decided not to pay for it.

In his example, the people are actually using it...but did not pay for it because it was able to be pirated. They would have still, more than likely, used it for their work...they just got out of it because someone uploaded it.

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Re: Worldwide?

There is no way to know how many people are in his example. There are only a handful of software packages like CS and AutoCAD compared to the number of movies and other software titles stolen.

And the MPAA and RIAA membership aren't the ones selling that stuff. That's an SBA deal.
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Re: Worldwide?

said by Dogfather See Profile :

There is no way to know how many people are in his example. There are only a handful of software packages like CS and AutoCAD compared to the number of movies and other software titles stolen.

And the MPAA and RIAA membership aren't the ones selling that stuff. That's an SBA deal.
oddly enough when some of these software packages are pirated the company doesnt get as bent out of shape because they know there was no way in hell someone was going to spend 5 grand to tinker with the app in their basement. im sure thats why Adobe hasnt majorly cracked down on Photoshop piracy.
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While there is much merit in what you say, I know of many people who pirated expensive applications or tools when they were younger (and broke) and became experienced and familar with programs like Adobe Photoshop which they now use in their professions and now own legally for home and business use.

If they had never been able to pirate them, they never would of become loyal customers. Strange, but true.
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I tend to agree with you. Your example of Photoshop CS3 illustrates the point. Casual (read: home users) can't justify $600+ for a copy of CS3 Photoshop just to edit their personal pictures so most of those get it free if they can. IMO if you make your living using these types of softwares, you should pay for them.Paying Adobe allows them to continue development and to make a living. High end software engineers don't work for free,nor should they.Everybody deserves to be paid for their work.
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Here's a little known fact the **AA isn't throwing out there. Please correct my memory if you find my numbers from memory aren't correct.

AC/DC released "Back in Black" in 1980. The 2006 catalog sales number was 400,000 copies sold. Beating out Britney Spears' latest effort if I remember her sales correctly. Doesn't seem like that old piracy is hurting catalog sales all that much. Or maybe AC/DC fans don't use the internet.

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Re: Worldwide?

Man, I bought that album TWICE. First when it came out to begin with, then about 4 years later because I left the record in the sun to get warped.

I guess the RIAA got me money twice... they should be happy with that...

(of course it only cost about 1/4'th what a friggin CD cost nowadays)

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said by Nightfall See Profile :

Killing? No.

The RIAA and MPAA blows things out of proportion that's for sure. Seeing their "losses" rack up into the billions of dollars is just outlandish.
I agree, the "true" numbers are VASTLY lower, if any..
Hurting? Yes.

Only a moron would say there is no negative effect from software/music/movie sales from torrents. I personally know a lot of people who use torrents for all their software, music, and movies and don't pay a dime for this material. Other than the burnable DVD to put it all on.

Somewhere in between lies the truth.
I have to disagree here, while some will download and NEVER pay, I wonder how many sales they have GOTTEN VIA Bitorrent from these "illegal" downloads???

I can only speak from personal experience, but I know of several "albums/CDs" that have sold because someone discovered it was available while trying to download what was thought to be unavailable via "retail" outlets..

I just dropped $60 on a set of CDs I had no idea existed until I went looking for some songs and saw what "set" they were on..

So how did Bittorrent hurt the RIAA in these cases???
I think the "sales from" far outstrip the "sales lost"...
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said by Matt See Profile :

I think that's proof that crappy music, crappy movies, and a crappy distribution model are killing their respective industries, not bittorrent.
Since when do the **AAs ever allow ::REALITY:: to interfere with the fairy tales that "pirates" are the cause of their industry's death spiral?

Math Pirate

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said by Matt See Profile :

10 million worldwide?

That's .0015% of the worldwide population .... and torrents are killing the Music and Movie industry?

I think that's proof that crappy music, crappy movies, and a crappy distribution model are killing their respective industries, not bittorrent.
It's more like. 0.15% of the worlds population, but point still well taken.

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Re: Worldwide?

said by Math Pirate :

said by Matt See Profile :

10 million worldwide?

That's .0015% of the worldwide population .... and torrents are killing the Music and Movie industry?

I think that's proof that crappy music, crappy movies, and a crappy distribution model are killing their respective industries, not bittorrent.
It's more like. 0.15% of the worlds population, but point still well taken.
Doh, forgot to multiply the result by 100. Thanks.

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Here's an idea!

Maybe the **IA can waterboard the owners to make them fess up the server locations.
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Re: Here's an idea!

Only if we get to waterboard the *AA's back. We could probably find out all kinds of interesting things. I'm guessing more politicians would be named than at the local Cat house.

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Verizon Joined The PB Ship?

"Another big sponsor of TPB is broadband provider Verizon. They advertise their “high speed connections” to the bandwidth craving pirates. It’s all about targeted advertising."

I wonder if that's FiOS their advertising?

I couldn't imagine any other isp doing that, must be nice to have Verizon and not worrying about caps or blocking torrents in general.
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Go Go Gadget Torrents!

I support AUDIO piracy because I hope it will ultimately bring focus on on the criminals of the music industry; ie. the Executives of the RIAA membership.

The RIAA member execs belong in jail for countless acts of collusion that have cost consumers billions of dollars over several decades.

Add to that the anti-consumer practices of Payola and pay-for-play, fabricated artist popularity, and further collusion with the radio broadcasting conglomerates; we have a list of less than 200 people responsible for ACTUAL consumer loss through fraud and monopolization.

The dozens of SEC (and other) fines, (by estimates - also totaling over a billion dollars - over 40 years) haven't been enough to offset the lucrative profits garnered through price fixing. It does, however, showcase the evidence of the RIAA's illegal activity. Similar activity would have anyone of us in jail.

Since the people responsible for the loss of billions each, should be prosecuted before the people responsible for a proportionally negligable amount each, first the RIAA execs appear before a grand jury, then we'll give a thought to end user piracy.

Any flaw in my logic TKJunkMail?

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And Indictment isn't a conviction

Repeat after me. You CAN be indicted, but not convicted. That's how this case will play out. TPB is NOT providing ANY copyrighted works, they are providing 'links'. They don't host anything infringing. If TPB is convicted, then that means google would be liable too, and that will never happen.
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Servers? We don't need no stinking servers!

quote:
"Owners say they have no idea where servers are"

Perhaps, but this may be like saying "I didn't inject steroids" Saying it to the media is different then saying it under oath.
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Re: Servers? We don't need no stinking servers!

said by telcolackey See Profile :

Perhaps, but this may be like saying "I didn't inject steroids." Saying it to the media is different then saying it under oath.
Saying things to the media can land you in legal trouble as well. If you say something negative about someone that cannot be backed up with facts and/or you can be proven wrong, you can get sued for libel or slander (depending whether it's verbal or in writing).
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Re: Servers? We don't need no stinking servers!

Aye, if gi'en a choice between ci'il vs criminal court... I'd take the former. Gar.
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In my opinion, they get what they get. These people, judging by the responses they write when they receive messages or mail of a legal nature is to write smart ass responses. They feel because they are in another country, and that US law does not apply to them, that they are immune and untouchable.

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Those clowns are eventually gonna run out of places to hide

You know these fools are going to jail.
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Re: Those clowns are eventually gonna run out of places to hide

wow taylor troll , welcome back , it's been awhile , how was your holiday season ?

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servers

i just want to know where their servers are located at.
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said by jgkolt See Profile :

i just want to know where their servers are located at.
just do some tracerts or use the visual trace tools. The ip range usually gives a good idea of where they are. Plus usually equipment in front of them are regionally named as well.
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tpb

please go sodomize yourself with retractable batons.

hahaha that has got to be one of the funniest things i have ever read on response to a legal document.
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yeah, i love their attitude when it comes to legal notices. i also like the ones that say 'don't post this, this is a confidential matter' (or something like that) and it gets posted.

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BT will lose in the end.

BT will lose in the end. Simply because too much International pressure, International laws and money. This is like someone in the U.S. not paying their income tax. The person claims that the income tax laws are not enforceable because the Constitution doesn't have a specific law in place for income tax... That maybe so.. But guess what you still have to pay. Governments will break laws to get their citizens to pay taxes. The same goes for copyright infringement, the corporations will lobby for laws that will eventually make the sites like the Pirate Bay illegal.

Next up...

Sony announces price hikes for all of it's music.
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Re: BT will lose in the end.

said by spamd See Profile :

BT will lose in the end.
BitTorrent is a file sharing protocol/client, not "a" business or entity. Unlike napster which was centralized, BT cannot lose unless a better, faster, more viable protocol comes out. OTOH torrent distributors have and will continue to lose only to be replaced by other sites.

Remember, TPB rose to fame after SuprNova went down in defeat.

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before you start saying that BT will lose (especially in the case of TPB) you should read up on sweden's laws concerning hosting links.
there's a reason that the people who run TBP are so flippiant in regards to demands from entities trying to enforce the draconian US Copyright laws.
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The RIAA doesn't like the internet period!

Only a decade ago what now comprises the big four record companies controlled over 85% of the world's recorded music distribution. Today they control about seventy per cent. Some recording artists are starting to realize that with the internet they don't need to be indentured servants to the big four anymore.
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Sales

Bigger Q will be, what will the RIAA use as an excuse when all the P2P sharing is shut down and their sales keep going down!!

ym
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Re: Sales

Global Warming.

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Re: Sales

said by Zyniker See Profile :

Global Warming.
I heard it was Global Fooling.

That's what develops from a hole in the Bozone Layer.

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The perfect solution - or more snake oil from the best

I promise companies large settlements every day. I send out hundreds of cease and desist demands daily. We use the tried and tested 'snake oil' sales techniques to show everyone we would really like to mean business. If we can publish part of a document and then twist it a little to make it appear we have the law on our side it should not be considered misleading, we are just attempting to stress the importance of what we would like.

We are happy to publish others copyrighted work on our web site but must threaten you a little here. If you even think about copying a song, program, movie or more importantly this letter we will send you a badly worded letter demanding compensation that we have no legal means of pursuing and may even be considered harassment, spam or even plain stupid.

This post is subject to automatic intellectual copyright protection awarded within the United States and many other countries. It may not be copied, reproduced, or recreated in any form physical or electronic in part or entirety without the prior written consent of the author.

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Oh.

Hi there.

Did you say something?

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Re: Oh.

i think he forgot to add the sarcasm tag there. apparently that was badly needed............

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Accessories?

Is the post office an accessory to all the fraudulent, threats and dangerous (bombs etc) mail that is sent through it's way?

Surely they must be aware it happens. Doesn't that make them accessories for the same reason?

I think it's pretty pathetic the protectionism in business today. Where's the good old fashioned entrepreneurial mind where stagnant business models and crappy products die?

Probably bought off by someone.

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Re: Accessories?

Free > Cost

Piracy will always beat sales, you know why? Its easier to get on TPB download a torrent, and install, than to actually buy a game. It costs less too.

I will happily pay $60 for a game. But I wont pay $60 for a crappy game.


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Re: Accessories?

Pirate Bay > Metallica > Lar Ulrich....
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quality of life issues?

As to Hollywood producing junk, I have yet to be able to download classics on any p2p.

I mean, if one must steal, why not have the complete Orson Welles, or pirated Toscanini and the NBC.

What I cannot explain is why most p2p has tonnes of Fifty-cent or Jay Zee, the Simpson's Movie.....

Mind you, who would really want to seed Parapluies de Cherbourg? Yet, if the copyright nonsense would be redirected for a moment to allow for artists to produce, rather than stars to create phenomena, we might end up with p2p being a truly useful tool to allow the culturally underprivileged to see and hear what few were able even a decade before.

What shocks me is that we could subsidise culture to allow for live performances, canned stuff on the web, and everything in between if the greed of the few did not outweigh the need of the many.

Last time I saw a photo of any rapper, it was not going back to the 'hood to teach kids how to think, how to feel, but in a smoking jacket in a club where few but the wealthiest could dream of entering.

If the Robbers Industries for Anti- Americanism gave a shit about music, they would stop paying lawyers and donate to the local symphony.

Eisenhower warned us....

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Pirate Bay

I think if they sue you they will win.They have nothing to lose,they only can gain.This will be real money maker for the legal profession.This could break theaverage to well todo family.Cabledad
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